Wow I can't believe it has been 9 days. I switched cold turkey on the 4th to paleo vlc, moderate protien and high fat. My ratios ended up being around 70 fat 20 protein 10 carbs. The first few days I ate berries and grapefruit in small amounts along with coconut, tons of eggs, dark meat from roasted chicken, fish,avocado, bacon, fish oil pills, and small amounts of red meat.
First day I felt ok if a little wierd. The carb cravings had not hit yet and I just felt odd in general. Second day I felt awesome. My skin was unusually soft and I felt SO calm and content. Energy was even and I was sleeping better.
As I did more research my plan changed. I cut out the fruit (though I still crack sometimes and have 1/4 grapefruit).
Then.. I started cheating. NO grains or anything - but cheese and tomatos. Also some bad paleo food - overly salty beef jerky, organic hot dogs etc. I cracked completely once and downed an entire pint of coconut ice cream (organic and pretty low sugar and did not go over 50g of carbs for the day- but still). I was ill for 12 hours after that with stomach issues. I drank too much alcohol. This probably happened over 2 days. I have been better since. Low carb but I seem to need more veggies since I had the cheating incidents.
Now I suddenly feel horrible. I am bloated, my skin feels dry and has those tiny bumps on the back side of my arms (Ive always associated with too much meat/cheese/fat in others from the timing and evidence). Food nauseates me a bit and I no longer feel satisfied or good. Energy has not waned too badly but I just feel crappy. I feel unhealthy and like my body is hating this.
I just made my first fatty cut of beef and I literally gagged when I tried to eat the fat. I cooked it on coconut milk (full fat) and made a kind of Mexican dish with spices and salsa/sour cream/ iceburg lettuce. I figured if it was low carb...
I am NOT giving up. PERIOD. I will give this at the very least a month or longer before adding more paleo carbs. I am dedicated to the paleo lifestyle but I am really confused and scared at what my body is doing. I am not sure if it was the cheating.. or adding too many veggies...cutting out fruit... or eating incorrectly .. or low carb flu or what. I guess I just need some advice/support. Thank you.
First of all thank you all so much! I really appreciate the answers.
- I forgot to mention that I am doing vlc in order to lose a fair amount of weight. I am a student and last year I really let my health falter as I focused entirely on school. My eating habits were horrible- sometimes I would not eat all day and others I would eat fast food and carby things. Most of my weight is around my middle. As a female this is especially bad. I have reason to believe that it is because of the carbs/gluten. A few weeks before making this change I suddenly just seemed to be able to stop digesting grains/bread etc. It did not matter if it was "healthy" grains. I always tried to get good organic breads from trader joes etc. I avoided hfs. So for now from what I can gather I should be eating vlc until I lose the excess and my body repairs its whole insulin process.
-Also I did drink but it was not binge drinking or anything. I had too much wine one night. I am going to cut out alcohol for awhile (at least until I am at a healthy weight).
-And wow it is really really good to know about the coconut thing. So does this mean I cannot use the canned full fat milk? Or juts not use it with another super fatty thing..
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on September 13, 2011
at 09:02 AM
If I understand you correctly the series of events is this:
- Downed lots of coconut (ice cream)
- Felt sick
- Got drunk
- Felt sick and horrible.
- Tried to eat fat from meat.
- Feel sick
It sounds to me like you are probably sick. I don't think you need worry that your symptoms are caused by "too many veggies...cutting out fruit... or eating incorrectly .. or low carb flu." The worst symptoms you would probably get from those would be feeling a bit lethargic. The presence or absence of paleo carbs might be extremely important for weight loss and various medium-long term issues, but in the short term it's not going to cause you to feel violently ill.
It's quite possible that you are just standardly sick; perhaps with the non-high carb flu and perhaps due to a weakened immune system from the alcohol and ice cream and such like.
One possible alternative cause for your acute sickness is the coconut. Coconut, being largely medium chain triglycerides can make you extremely and violently sick very quickly. This is especially easy if you're not used to it, but even in my case- who'd been eating about 100g of coconut for breakfast for a year, got extremely ill when having an especially large bowl of coconut for breakfast while hiking. Suffice to say the very thought of coconut made me feel ill for a good week thereafter. If the 'fat' with your beef that made you sick was the coconut, then this seems a plausible explanation.
One final speculation which may be completely off, is that you might have an aversion to red meat/fat. Hence eating "eggs, dark meat from roasted chicken, fish... bacon, and small amounts of red meat" and then "made my first fatty cut of beef and... literally gagged." Obviously if you do still fear that your body will hate any fatty meat and that it will cause you to die of a heart attack, this may put you off your food. Suffice to say that there's no danger that can result from simply eating fatty meat. If you don't eat anything at all, then your body will simply run off your own animal meat and fat. It shouldn't cause bloating, tiny bumps in your arms, sickness etc. You might want to hold back on trying to eat huge lumps of fat on the side of your meat though. I'm all for animal fat, but I have no taste at all for the huge wobbly lumps of fat you typically get attached to meat, especially when it's not cooked properly (which is quite hard to achieve). I would just get some meat and cook it with some butter or tallow. This shouldn't cause any problems regardless of how much fruit and how many vegetables you consume.
on September 13, 2011
at 02:28 PM
Scroll down to the bottom of this post, and look for the section titled "The Difference Between Beta-Oxidation and Ketosis." Here's an excerpt:
I think going cold-turkey VLC (very low carb) or zero-carb makes the transition much harder, particularly for people who are already physically active. ...
If we eat zero carbs, or very few, over a period of time, our body enters a state called ketosis, in which some of our tissues that used to require glucose shift over to burning ketone bodies, which are alternative products of fat metabolism. And while it is true that our brains and hearts actually run more efficiently on ketones, it takes several weeks for our bodies to fully adapt. Meanwhile, we lack energy for high-effort activities, because our muscles are depleted of glycogen, which is made from glucose. ...
???so unless ketosis is your goal, you might be making your transition to a healthy diet much harder by keeping your carb intake too low.
My takeaway ... even if ketosis is your goal, you may be better off easing into it rather than going cold turkey!
on September 13, 2011
at 12:33 PM
ok, ignoring the drunk part. (you'll feel better in time), I would just eat fat as it occurs naturally in meat, just enough oil to make your salad tasty and just enough butter to keep your cooking from sticking. Eat paleo nuts just enough to satisfy. That's enough to make a regular nutritionist scream, ha ha. Fat helps you feel satisfied and happy. You might need less than you're doing. Good luck.
on September 13, 2011
at 12:19 PM
Going cold turkey and then downing all that ice cream and alcohol is definitely not the best plan. I suggest you start slowly and gradually work into a good plan, taking at least 2 wks between each change. You could simply just need the time to adjust so you don't binge eat drink. Allow yourself the right to be successful by making a plan that works for you. Sometimes we are our own worse enemies.
on September 13, 2011
at 10:06 AM
If you're transitioning from a SAD or even a healthy SAD, you've upped your fats considerably. Personally, I found that it took my body a little while to get used to eating more fat and I had to add it in gradually. At first, a fatty cut of meat would make me very nauseous.