5

votes

Do you buy dermatologist recs about the sun exposure for cancer reduction?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created April 13, 2011 at 10:16 PM

I don't at all. I believe you get skin cancer by already having a faulty immune system and then getting ionizing radiation on top of it that causes cellular oncogene transcription. Take a look at this very recent study out of Australia. It's in Neurology.2011:76;540-549. February 8 2011. Direct sun exposure and high levels of vitamin D REDUCE the risk of MS.....great news for us docs that use D and the sun to heal patients

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 17, 2012
at 10:41 AM

Good points, both of you, but I still don't think sun avoidance is the answer- I think sunburn avoidance is.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 17, 2012
at 10:41 AM

Good points, both of you, but i don't think sun avoidance is the answer- I think sun-burn avoidance is.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on May 17, 2012
at 07:51 AM

Yeah, my strawberry blonde blue eyed father from Northern Europe is probably going to have a different reaction to the sun than his equator-dwelling Polynesian best friend with dark skin, brown eyes, and black hair.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on May 17, 2012
at 07:46 AM

"Cancer can be cut out"- IF caught good and early, so a good time to plug the importance to check your skin REGULARLY and thoroughly!! Know all the bumps and moles on your body well! My dad is a strawberry blonde blue eyed lad who luckily caught his skin cancer in very early stages, but many, many people have not been so lucky!

1e58ba5c171a122541d8b4873f604327

(229)

on May 17, 2012
at 07:13 AM

it's all connected... (maybe not the compound fracture) heart attacks and diabetes have a lot more in common than most people think.... most types of cancer as well. try googling "inflammation and heart disease".... makes a lot more sense that all of the "artery clogging" bs that people believe

1e58ba5c171a122541d8b4873f604327

(229)

on May 17, 2012
at 07:09 AM

a triathete like that most likely has a constantly compromised immune system, high cortisol levels, most likely high levels of inflammation from the grain based diets most triathelets seem to be on, and probably not enough good fats like Omega3s (which seem to be very important for skin health)

80890193d74240cab6dda920665bfb6c

(1528)

on May 17, 2012
at 05:46 AM

Who cares about cancer, really. Honestly, what we care about is wrinkles. UV destroys collagen and you wrinkle like a prune at 40. Who wants that? I don't want to look old. TiOx for me, thanks.

43f469552cfd3be73fc88a9821b14986

on May 17, 2012
at 05:20 AM

Folks closer to the euqator are more often darker than say Northern Europeans. According to the Melanoma Center " In the United States, white Americans are 20 times more likely to develop melanoma than African Americans." http://www.melanomacenter.org/basics/statistics.html Still don't know whether to use lotion or not. If we do use lotions, which are the least harmful?

35b2cb4d450e5288895c255dfdfff35d

(5828)

on May 16, 2012
at 10:53 PM

Fitness is not the same as health. I wouldn't assume that someone who does ironman triathlons would eat healthy foods.

1bc18852894dad9d6dddfb3dfed49ab3

(341)

on May 16, 2012
at 09:03 PM

You should not tell everyone to look at something and then say in the comments that they have to pay to view it. It makes you look like a sleazy salesman and not much more.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on April 30, 2011
at 03:00 PM

Exactly my thoughts doc.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 30, 2011
at 12:39 PM

Rob the reason is this.....your dad internal cellular milleu was likely not receptive to apoptosis autophagy or oncogenesis. If you eat correctly and do smart exercise the sun won't hurt you. But if you eat a SAD and you cellular metabolism is suboptimal the environment favors tumorogenesis form any possible carcinogen.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 14, 2011
at 12:42 AM

I did......it's in there. You have to be a subscriber to view it

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on April 14, 2011
at 12:00 AM

Dr K. I went looking for that Aussie study. Any chance you can post a link?

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on April 13, 2011
at 11:59 PM

Recommendations=recs

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 13, 2011
at 11:54 PM

My recs are quite simple......get your D level up up up......70-100 with D3 and or sun.......

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

(1132)

on April 13, 2011
at 10:38 PM

recs?? recommendations? records? what??

  • Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

    asked by

    (25477)
  • Views
    1.8K
  • Last Activity
    1256D AGO
Frontpage book

Get FREE instant access to our Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!

10 Answers

5
Medium avatar

(4878)

on April 28, 2011
at 03:52 PM

I don't mess with the sun.

50 biopsies, 10 severely diplastic, no melanoma, yet, blond/blue w/ family history of skin cancer and a personal history of being "cocoa brown year 'round" for the first 24 years of my life means I take my skin care very seriously.

Looking at my dad's paper thin skin on his forearms doesn't help me think ANY more sun exposure will help me. He is 80 and had a normal Calif. lifestyle w/no sunscreen until he was in his 50s. He tears his skin daily, I'm not kidding. His arms are a mass of scar tissue and open wounds.

It is THIS TYPE of sun damage that worries me more than the risk of skin cancer or a nutritional issue. Cancers can be cut out, but oozing skin tears needing constant monitoring and too much time to heal is not fun.

Sun damages collagen, which gives our skin elasticity and strength.

I can supplement with Vit D, which I do, but I can't rebuild my skin's structure without a lot of $$$.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on May 17, 2012
at 07:46 AM

"Cancer can be cut out"- IF caught good and early, so a good time to plug the importance to check your skin REGULARLY and thoroughly!! Know all the bumps and moles on your body well! My dad is a strawberry blonde blue eyed lad who luckily caught his skin cancer in very early stages, but many, many people have not been so lucky!

2
9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on April 29, 2011
at 03:01 PM

This is only anecdotal, but I have two friends (married couple) one of which is a serious iron man / triathlete (he's been competing in the over 50 international double-marathon circuit, to give you an idea). A few years back he had a relatively large patch of skin (about 6 square inches i believe) cut from his chest due to skin cancer, a triangle exactly the shape that was exposed by his workout clothes. It would be hard to believe that he would have a poor diet, poor health, or serious vitamin deficiencies given his level of fitness, meanwhile he had heavy sun exposure.

Not long after, his wife, who doesn't compete but is big into outdoor fitness activities, was diagnosed with a smaller patch of skin cancer that was very close to being malignant before it was caught.

This is only anecdotal, but thought I'd mention it as a counter-point to the other answers here.

1e58ba5c171a122541d8b4873f604327

(229)

on May 17, 2012
at 07:09 AM

a triathete like that most likely has a constantly compromised immune system, high cortisol levels, most likely high levels of inflammation from the grain based diets most triathelets seem to be on, and probably not enough good fats like Omega3s (which seem to be very important for skin health)

35b2cb4d450e5288895c255dfdfff35d

(5828)

on May 16, 2012
at 10:53 PM

Fitness is not the same as health. I wouldn't assume that someone who does ironman triathlons would eat healthy foods.

1
592fdaa77ec6342b736f1d25962aab7f

(547)

on May 17, 2012
at 05:00 AM

What!? C'mon. Burning cannot be natural or okay. I won't skip the sun protection. As a redhead, first of all, my skin condition is so much better when I stay out of the sun. I'm changing my diet for the welcome reward of good skin but meanwhile subject it to drying and obvious damage from the sun?! No. Lastly, I've seen too many young, fit, really tan people diagnosed with melanoma.

1
0541ec908609b1bbadecd966128d1008

on April 14, 2011
at 09:14 AM

No. Have gone unprotected in the sun all my life & @ 52 have no problems. May regret this at 80+ yrs, but doubt it. I believe skin cancer is attributed to some other lifestyle reason. Lived in Arizona, Southern Calif, Texas, now the south east, most my life. Mostly T-Shirts & sleeveless shirts & shorts when weather permits. Will wear a ball cap, but ears & neck go unprotected. More recently I go w/o a shirt when I can get away with it.

1
06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on April 14, 2011
at 12:07 AM

I had not seen a derm for 10 years. Two years ago pre supplementation with Vit D, my PCP sent me to have some nitrogen work done on my 4 basal lesions. Have been back twice and no sign anywhere of any skin cancer. Doc was somewhat amazed that I had no re-occurance. Of course, I always get the lecture of use SPF 50 all the time...which I never use. But I do limit my body exposure to 20/day total half naked. In addition I do play senior softball in shorts and short sleeve jersey here in Az.

0
1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on May 16, 2012
at 08:14 PM

Hell no. Look at the associations between cancer and proximity to the equator.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 17, 2012
at 10:41 AM

Good points, both of you, but I still don't think sun avoidance is the answer- I think sunburn avoidance is.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on May 17, 2012
at 07:51 AM

Yeah, my strawberry blonde blue eyed father from Northern Europe is probably going to have a different reaction to the sun than his equator-dwelling Polynesian best friend with dark skin, brown eyes, and black hair.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 17, 2012
at 10:41 AM

Good points, both of you, but i don't think sun avoidance is the answer- I think sun-burn avoidance is.

43f469552cfd3be73fc88a9821b14986

on May 17, 2012
at 05:20 AM

Folks closer to the euqator are more often darker than say Northern Europeans. According to the Melanoma Center " In the United States, white Americans are 20 times more likely to develop melanoma than African Americans." http://www.melanomacenter.org/basics/statistics.html Still don't know whether to use lotion or not. If we do use lotions, which are the least harmful?

0
742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on April 29, 2011
at 02:22 PM

I don't believe the sun directly causes skin cancer, it could maybe through other pathways that I am not aware of. My dad has spent his whole life in the sun working outside and he is perfectly fine.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 30, 2011
at 12:39 PM

Rob the reason is this.....your dad internal cellular milleu was likely not receptive to apoptosis autophagy or oncogenesis. If you eat correctly and do smart exercise the sun won't hurt you. But if you eat a SAD and you cellular metabolism is suboptimal the environment favors tumorogenesis form any possible carcinogen.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on April 30, 2011
at 03:00 PM

Exactly my thoughts doc.

0
04293f705870e1837b8670d3c1cd5f67

on April 28, 2011
at 03:44 PM

The sun is natural! I need more of it! I completely believe it is ALL life giving and healing.

I do not believe sun screens and frankly, I am glad I wasn't a vigilante parent when my kids were younger, slathering them all the time w/ SPF products. My previous paradigm though was that I NEED to do put this on, and highest number possible. I did miss applying this all the time.

However, I have noticed that because we live in the NW it is very difficult taking a vacation in a sunny location down south. We pretty much do our best to get slow exposure, use hats and shade, (hard with kids swimming!). I feel like people would think I was a bad parent if I suggested the kids got a lil exposure via a tanning bed before a sunny vacation. What say you? They are 10, 13 & 14.

By the way, I have heard the the Northwest Washington State area is a cancer cluster. I think we have a high concentration of MS too.

0
39a1a0bc7855c084ac59df60fdf9c0dd

(1505)

on April 14, 2011
at 02:57 PM

I know I wouldn't mess around with possible skin cancer just b/c I changed my diet. I don't have much trust for mainstream medicine when it comes to managing many chronic diseases (i.e. - diabetes), but when it comes to trauma like a heart attack or compound fracture - and I would argue any form of cancer comes pretty close to trauma - I think mainstream medicine has something worth listening to.

1e58ba5c171a122541d8b4873f604327

(229)

on May 17, 2012
at 07:13 AM

it's all connected... (maybe not the compound fracture) heart attacks and diabetes have a lot more in common than most people think.... most types of cancer as well. try googling "inflammation and heart disease".... makes a lot more sense that all of the "artery clogging" bs that people believe

-1
242f5f55c3cecd0ea580679e4cbbd0d2

on May 16, 2012
at 07:49 PM

Anyone who doesn't believe that the sun causes skin cancer is an absolute idiot and needs to get their heads checked. Any mother considering taking her children to a tanning bed at such a young age doesn't deserve to be a mother. Point blank.

Answer Question


Get FREE instant access to our
Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!