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Chapped lips - b12 deficiency?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created March 04, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Hello -

I'm 2 months paleo, eating anywhere between 1200-2200 calories a day. 60% fat/20%protein/20% carb. My mainstains are leafy green salads with protein and seeds. I've experienced great results; however, I've had dry skin and peeling lips. Last week my lips cracked in the corners. It was awful. In a fit of desperation I tried eating some brown rice. Immediately my lips felt better.

Any thoughts on why this might have helped?

I typed my food into fitday and learned that I'm high in vitamin A, low in B12 and low in calcium. I started supplementing B12 and calcium immediately. My lips are remarkably better.

If the folic acid in the rice caused the improvement, I would like to find paleo-friendly sources of calcium and folic acid. Any suggestions?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on September 23, 2012
at 10:47 AM

*"and generally anything you do now won't show an effect for somewhere around 3 months."* whoa, why?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on September 23, 2012
at 10:44 AM

When I said vitami A makes it worse, I was talking about beta-carotene. Retinol does not make it worse. Several things that reduce stress for me (orange juice, sugar, progesterone, salt, coconut oil, pregnenolone, ...) can inhibit chapping.

403a53c045ac5cda63f5b576d44e9710

on March 05, 2012
at 04:02 PM

Thank you! Have a nice day too.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on March 05, 2012
at 03:50 PM

Hi, Ruby. I remember Dr. Richard Bernstein saying something about abnormal blood sugar regulation causing dry skin. You might be able to find it doing at search at the link for his site, diabetes-book.com. I hope you can solve it. I know it can really be a bother. If I find something useful, I'll post it. Hope your day is going very nicely. :)

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on March 05, 2012
at 09:37 AM

seeds are high in Omega 6 (PUFA) and phytic acid and should be avoided or eaten in very small amounts

403a53c045ac5cda63f5b576d44e9710

on March 05, 2012
at 02:21 AM

Seeds aren't paleo?

403a53c045ac5cda63f5b576d44e9710

on March 05, 2012
at 02:19 AM

Also, it's worth noting I never had dry skin before. It was very oily. And, I don't believe I've ever had chapped lips before - especially nothing ever this bad. I really think it's indicative of something wrong.

403a53c045ac5cda63f5b576d44e9710

on March 05, 2012
at 02:17 AM

Thank you for your response. Of the above two things strike me as relevant. I may not have enough animal fats. I also have hypoglycemia (too much insulin production). How would this be related?

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on March 04, 2012
at 08:21 PM

Wow--where did you dig that up? 1929? All I know is that WAPF and others supposedly in-the-know recommend it.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 04, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Dragonfly, is bone broth really a good source? See this study : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1975347/pdf/archdisch01497-0052.pdf

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 04, 2012
at 05:30 PM

Do you supplement with vitamin D? It solved my chapped lips. Vitamin A makes it worse. Paleo-friendly sources of calcium are egg shells, and you can eat calf liver, spinach and turnip greens for folate.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 04, 2012
at 05:29 PM

Do you supplement with vitamin D? It solved my chapped lips. Vitamin A makes it worse.

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D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

on March 04, 2012
at 05:30 PM

Ruby, do you use commercial lip balms, salves or lipsticks? The mineral oil, petroleum jelly, etc, does not actually help the skin. It just makes a slick film on top of the skin. Dr. Richard Bernstein addresses this in his book, [The Diabetes Solution, regarding foot care][1].

Here is the paragraph from his book:

??? If the skin of your feet is dry, lubricate the entire foot. Suitable lubricants include olive oil, any vegetable oil, vitamin E oil, emu oil, mink oil, and emulsified lanolin. Many oils and lotions that contain these products as major ingredients are available commercially. Do not use petroleum jelly (Vaseline), mineral oil, or baby oil, as they are not absorbed by the skin.

You could try using coconut or olive oil, rosehips or jojoba, castor.

I melt one part grated, bees wax with three parts liquid oils, such as sweet almond, olive, castor oil, to make lip balm. If you wish to use coconut oil or shea butter, then use a bit less bees wax.

Also, are you drinking enough water? Is the water purified or straight city water? Are you drinking too much coffee, tea, or alcohol?

Are you eating enough animal fats?

Is where you live and work well humidified?

Do you have normal blood sugar regulation? Do you have allergies? Did you get a fever? You can see, there are many things that could cause dry and/or peeling skin.

Those are the ones that come to mind, at the moment. :)

Hope this helps some. :) [1]: http://www.diabetes-book.com/book/appendixD.shtml

403a53c045ac5cda63f5b576d44e9710

on March 05, 2012
at 02:19 AM

Also, it's worth noting I never had dry skin before. It was very oily. And, I don't believe I've ever had chapped lips before - especially nothing ever this bad. I really think it's indicative of something wrong.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on March 05, 2012
at 03:50 PM

Hi, Ruby. I remember Dr. Richard Bernstein saying something about abnormal blood sugar regulation causing dry skin. You might be able to find it doing at search at the link for his site, diabetes-book.com. I hope you can solve it. I know it can really be a bother. If I find something useful, I'll post it. Hope your day is going very nicely. :)

403a53c045ac5cda63f5b576d44e9710

on March 05, 2012
at 02:17 AM

Thank you for your response. Of the above two things strike me as relevant. I may not have enough animal fats. I also have hypoglycemia (too much insulin production). How would this be related?

403a53c045ac5cda63f5b576d44e9710

on March 05, 2012
at 04:02 PM

Thank you! Have a nice day too.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on March 04, 2012
at 05:28 PM

Liver is a great source of folate. Bone broth is a great source of calcium.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on March 04, 2012
at 08:21 PM

Wow--where did you dig that up? 1929? All I know is that WAPF and others supposedly in-the-know recommend it.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 04, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Dragonfly, is bone broth really a good source? See this study : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1975347/pdf/archdisch01497-0052.pdf

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3058079ae822f066c06e55071d74b634

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on March 04, 2012
at 11:35 PM

Stop the madness. Please.

B12 doesn't participate directly in overall skin barrier functioning. Emu oil, mink oil, and emulsified lanolin can ALL create an allergic contact dermatitis. You may have some of that going on as it is to either a food that you've become skin sensitized to, or to your oral hygeine products, makeup, preservatives in your lip balms, etc, etc, etc.

Sometimes people get chapped lips. It doesn't mean you have a nutritional deficiency. Plain petrolatum is almost never a contact sensitizer, and it does tend to prevent further evaporation from the skin that it's covering, which is a big part of the problem. I'm not knocking Dr. Bernstein, but a dermatologist, he is not. Believe it or not, there are many good reasons this is its own specialty and takes 4 years of dedicated training post medical school to be competent at delivering skin care.

You may need to up your fats, increase your hydration, change your toothpaste, or any number of things. I don't think the brown rice directly did anything to change what the problem was, though. At least, there is no mechanism that comes to mind that would immediately change the overall appearance of your lips. Skin doesn't work that way, and generally anything you do now won't show an effect for somewhere around 3 months.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on September 23, 2012
at 10:47 AM

*"and generally anything you do now won't show an effect for somewhere around 3 months."* whoa, why?

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2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on March 04, 2012
at 07:54 PM

the problem may be the seeds and the brown rice, which are not strictly paleo

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on March 05, 2012
at 09:37 AM

seeds are high in Omega 6 (PUFA) and phytic acid and should be avoided or eaten in very small amounts

403a53c045ac5cda63f5b576d44e9710

on March 05, 2012
at 02:21 AM

Seeds aren't paleo?

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

I've found it relates to my Vit C consumption...collagen and hydration related...

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on September 23, 2012
at 05:51 PM

I get this problem when I go very low carb (VLC). In going VLC, my consumption of protein tends to increase as well. I notice when I either: deliberately increase my fat intake (thereby lowering my protein ratio), or add in a bit more sugar/starch, the problem resolves within a day. The sugar/starch addition works better for me than the fats. Nothing else I have tried has worked, this includes using lip balms, drinking lots of water, adding in significant salt (to increase water retention?), or Vit. D. I eat plenty of pastured butter so I would be surprised if it is a K2 problem in my case.

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782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

on September 23, 2012
at 03:05 PM

I had chapped lips also. I finally narrowed it down to the apple cider vinegar I was using on my salads. Now my lips aren't flaking nearly as much anymore.

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on September 23, 2012
at 12:23 PM

Cracked corners of my mouth usually means a yeast infection. As soon as I apply anti fungal meds on it, it starts to heal.

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on September 23, 2012
at 09:27 AM

The initial indications have an escalating sensation of exhaustion, a paler or perhaps yellow-colored skin tone, short breath and also faster heartbeat. In many serious situations, when anemia can be formed, the sufferer could observe that she or he is a lot more susceptible to microbe infections and also other conditions, an aching oral as well as occasional looseness of the bowels even though getting rid of pounds with no particular purpose. Last but not least, when the circumstance carries on without treatment, nerve failures seem, for example a general sense of some weakness, prickling or perhaps feeling numb on the hand and also foot, a propensity to become annoyed more quickly plus a diminishing of mind abilities.

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on March 04, 2012
at 09:55 PM

Try vitamin K2 by Thorne Research. If you can handle a bit of dairy, butter oil by green pastures also works.

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