I'm a nursing mother. I deal with severe autoimmunity and have been on the autoimmune paleo diet for about a year.
I seem to negatively respond to dairy, perhaps even organic sources of dairy. My child seems to be sensitive to cow's milk protein, so that has kept me away from dairy as well. Both my child and I do poorly with soy as well even organic soy sources.
I feel I'm probably definitely deficient in vitamin k2 and probably calcium as well
Is it possible to get adequate sources of vitamin k2 without dairy? It seems that plant sources may not be enough.
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on June 28, 2015
at 04:01 PM
You could get natto, or you could buy actual Vitamin K2 pills.
Edit: to expand on this:
Sadly, natto is made from soy, and would likely be estrogenic. I don't know for sure whether the bacteria that ferment it would break down the phytoestrogens, but likely they do not.
There is a way to make natto from lentils, which on the order of magnitude of badness of legumes would be the least offensive as compared to soy which would be the worst. You'd soak and cook the lentils for a long time, then innoculate them with a little bit of actual natto, and let them ferment to make natto from lentils. see: http://www.pitonatto.blogspot.com/2006/03/green-lentil-natto.html but no clue as to how much Vitamin K content it would have, though there's no reason it would have less than soy based natto, it just hasn't been tested.
There is also K2 in beef and pork, though not in any great amounts: https://www.med.unc.edu/im/files/patient-education-handouts/nutrition-and-diet-files/Vitamin%20K%20%20Content%20of%20Common%20Foods.pdf and http://chriskresser.com/vitamin-k2-the-missing-nutrient/
This is the stuff I take, it does seem to contain anything objectiomable, but it also doesn't say the source of the K1, K2 fractions: http://www.amazon.com/Life-Extension-Advanced-Softgels-90-Count/dp/B004GW4S0G
Maybe you could try it and see if you do ok with it, if not maybe try another brand.
on July 06, 2015
at 11:36 PM
K2 is in fermented vegetables, but I have no idea how much you are getting. I know in Okinawa which is one of the blue zones they don't really do much dairy--fermented or otherwise--but there is natto and also a lot of pickled vegetables.
I take a liquid, oil based D3/K2 supplement by Thorne, but I don't know the origin of the K2. A dose is a very small volume--just 2 drops.
on June 29, 2015
at 12:38 PM
I second Ray's suggestion of natto. The one day fermentation at 42C does destroy a lot of toxins. I do not eat soy, but natto and miso (a one year ferment) seem to give me no trouble. Also, one tablespoon of natto gives you ten times the estimated RDA and reactions to such small amounts are more limited. MK-7 is also longer lasting in the human body than MK-4, twice a week is enough.
I hypothesize that animals who are coprophagous do have a lot of K2 as well as B12 in their tissues, due to their greater exposure to bacterial byproducts, although there are not a lot of data out there. Certainly rabbit meat has ten times the B12 of, say, beef. Besides rabbit, other coprophagous animals include a bunch of well known edible insects. There is always liver, too.
on June 28, 2015
at 04:24 PM
You must get K2 from animal sources or a supplement. Have you tried raw milk? Much of the inability to digest milk comes from the denaturing of the protiens and fats from the pastuerization and homogization process. Colostrum can be very helpful for healing leaky gut, which can play a big role in autoimmune disease. Since you are on a "paleo" website, I'll assume you know to eliminate grains from the diet and go as organic as you can :).