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Palm oil for vitamin E vs A.C grace unique E

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Created October 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM

would palm oil be sufficient? PHD recommends a table spoon a week for E

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on October 24, 2012
at 10:06 PM

thx Eugenia, not my words btw, that was a quote, i have no idea myself. i was just wondering if you had seen that info & whether there was any credence to it. thx again

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on October 24, 2012
at 09:24 PM

thx Eugenia, not my words btw, that was a quote, i have no idea myself. i was just wondering if you had see that info & whether there was any credence to it. thx again

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on October 24, 2012
at 09:22 PM

thx Eugenia, not my words btw, i have no idea myself. i was just wondering if you had see that info & whether there was any credence to it. thx again

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on October 24, 2012
at 05:14 PM

The articles I've read say that they made tests and found the antagonism. It's your word against mine I'm afraid. Since the opinion might, or might not be, divided on this, I think it's safest to get the tocotrienols-only supplement. Tocopherols can be acquired via food anyway.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on October 24, 2012
at 09:18 AM

^ would be interested to know what you make of that Eugenia (re the antagonists or not thing). thx

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on October 24, 2012
at 09:13 AM

found it here http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/53961-mixed-tocotrienols/#entry500337 "As far as I know, there is no study that shows that when alpha tocopherol is present in total vitamin E complete content, tocotrienol absorption will be inhibited or suppressed (by the tocopherol). The erroneous reason given was that both tocotrienols and tocopherols compete for the same alpha-tocopherol transfer protein and since tocopherol has a higher affinity towards this protein, the tocotrienols would lose out and not be absorbed (in the presence of tocopherols)..." follow link to read the rest

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on October 24, 2012
at 09:10 AM

@ Eugegnia- any recommended brands/sources?

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on October 24, 2012
at 08:39 AM

funny you mention the 'antagonists' thing, i was looking at a post/article earlier that was saying that this is just pure speculation/extrapolation & there is no actual evidence/proof on this. i'll see it i can find it again, to see if they can back this up themselves.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on October 24, 2012
at 08:22 AM

I take 50mg 2-3 times a week, sometimes none at all. The pills should not contain tocopherols in them at all, they're antagonists.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on October 24, 2012
at 07:24 AM

Hi Eugenia, what would you guestimate a good maintenance intake of tocotrienols would be ie. how many milligrams on average of mixed tocotrienols per day (or per week)

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on October 24, 2012
at 04:44 AM

Matt, just because TODAY we have no plants with much tocotrienols in them, it doesn't mean that during our evolution we didn't. We have extincted a gazillion animals, and we've done the same to plants too (along weather too). So don't assume that they're not natural, after reading more on them, IMHO they are.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on October 24, 2012
at 03:13 AM

it does seem that amount of tocotrienol in tocotrienol supplements is far higher than you could expect to get from any diet. is this a good or a bad thing...i dunno. tho i guess you do not have to take them every day, according to raysahelian.com "Since vitamin E is fat soluble and is stored if fat tissue in the body, it need not be taken every day" http://www.raysahelian.com/tocotrienols.html

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 24, 2012
at 03:10 AM

Better living through science, but not nature. That's all I'm saying.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 24, 2012
at 03:09 AM

I'm sure there are results out there showing miracles with tocotrienes, but it's complete unnatural as it's impossible to consume whole food sources at the beneficial levels of supplementation. Palm, some seeds, and grains... essentially nothing else has tocotrienes. Heck, you might actually have higher tocotriene consumption on SAD than paleo.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on October 24, 2012
at 02:32 AM

Sorry, but I will have to strongly disagree. There is a LOT of NEW research on tocotrienols and how they fix things that tocopherols don't. Do a pubmed search yourself. Grains don't have tocotrienols btw, only brown rice has a little. The bigger sources are palm oil and annato, with annato's form being superior. While fundamentally the same, Tocopherols is like a policeman with city limit jurisdiction, while tocotrienols are like rangers, with a much wider area of work throughout the body. Again, do a search about it. People who lost their hair with alopecia even got some back with it.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 24, 2012
at 01:28 AM

I'm reluctant to conclude that high amounts of tocotrienols are beneficial, certainly it's not natural, particularly at the levels you get while supplementing.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 24, 2012
at 01:25 AM

Interesting, the best source of tocotrienols besides palm oils are grains… oh paleo, why I have you failed us?!

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 24, 2012
at 01:30 AM

The general consensus is that food sources of nutrients are superior to nutrient isolates. Cooking with a couple tbsp of virgin red palm oil weekly in addition to a normal diet is probably good enough.

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44348571d9bc70c02ac2975cc500f154

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on January 16, 2013
at 08:15 AM

I take my D3/K2 oil with a tablespoon of red palm oil a day.

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3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on October 24, 2012
at 12:01 AM

No, a tablespoon is not enough. The easiest and cheapest way to get some E Tocotrienols vitamins. You already get E Tocopherols on the food you eat on Paleo, but it's the Tocotrienols kind we don't get enough of. So just opt for the over the counter vitamins.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on October 24, 2012
at 09:13 AM

found it here http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/53961-mixed-tocotrienols/#entry500337 "As far as I know, there is no study that shows that when alpha tocopherol is present in total vitamin E complete content, tocotrienol absorption will be inhibited or suppressed (by the tocopherol). The erroneous reason given was that both tocotrienols and tocopherols compete for the same alpha-tocopherol transfer protein and since tocopherol has a higher affinity towards this protein, the tocotrienols would lose out and not be absorbed (in the presence of tocopherols)..." follow link to read the rest

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on October 24, 2012
at 03:13 AM

it does seem that amount of tocotrienol in tocotrienol supplements is far higher than you could expect to get from any diet. is this a good or a bad thing...i dunno. tho i guess you do not have to take them every day, according to raysahelian.com "Since vitamin E is fat soluble and is stored if fat tissue in the body, it need not be taken every day" http://www.raysahelian.com/tocotrienols.html

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on October 24, 2012
at 01:25 AM

Interesting, the best source of tocotrienols besides palm oils are grains… oh paleo, why I have you failed us?!

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on October 24, 2012
at 09:10 AM

@ Eugegnia- any recommended brands/sources?

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on October 24, 2012
at 07:24 AM

Hi Eugenia, what would you guestimate a good maintenance intake of tocotrienols would be ie. how many milligrams on average of mixed tocotrienols per day (or per week)

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on October 24, 2012
at 08:22 AM

I take 50mg 2-3 times a week, sometimes none at all. The pills should not contain tocopherols in them at all, they're antagonists.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on October 24, 2012
at 04:44 AM

Matt, just because TODAY we have no plants with much tocotrienols in them, it doesn't mean that during our evolution we didn't. We have extincted a gazillion animals, and we've done the same to plants too (along weather too). So don't assume that they're not natural, after reading more on them, IMHO they are.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on October 24, 2012
at 03:10 AM

Better living through science, but not nature. That's all I'm saying.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on October 24, 2012
at 09:18 AM

^ would be interested to know what you make of that Eugenia (re the antagonists or not thing). thx

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on October 24, 2012
at 02:32 AM

Sorry, but I will have to strongly disagree. There is a LOT of NEW research on tocotrienols and how they fix things that tocopherols don't. Do a pubmed search yourself. Grains don't have tocotrienols btw, only brown rice has a little. The bigger sources are palm oil and annato, with annato's form being superior. While fundamentally the same, Tocopherols is like a policeman with city limit jurisdiction, while tocotrienols are like rangers, with a much wider area of work throughout the body. Again, do a search about it. People who lost their hair with alopecia even got some back with it.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on October 24, 2012
at 03:09 AM

I'm sure there are results out there showing miracles with tocotrienes, but it's complete unnatural as it's impossible to consume whole food sources at the beneficial levels of supplementation. Palm, some seeds, and grains... essentially nothing else has tocotrienes. Heck, you might actually have higher tocotriene consumption on SAD than paleo.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on October 24, 2012
at 08:39 AM

funny you mention the 'antagonists' thing, i was looking at a post/article earlier that was saying that this is just pure speculation/extrapolation & there is no actual evidence/proof on this. i'll see it i can find it again, to see if they can back this up themselves.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on October 24, 2012
at 01:28 AM

I'm reluctant to conclude that high amounts of tocotrienols are beneficial, certainly it's not natural, particularly at the levels you get while supplementing.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on October 24, 2012
at 05:14 PM

The articles I've read say that they made tests and found the antagonism. It's your word against mine I'm afraid. Since the opinion might, or might not be, divided on this, I think it's safest to get the tocotrienols-only supplement. Tocopherols can be acquired via food anyway.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on October 24, 2012
at 09:22 PM

thx Eugenia, not my words btw, i have no idea myself. i was just wondering if you had see that info & whether there was any credence to it. thx again

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on October 24, 2012
at 10:06 PM

thx Eugenia, not my words btw, that was a quote, i have no idea myself. i was just wondering if you had seen that info & whether there was any credence to it. thx again

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on October 24, 2012
at 09:24 PM

thx Eugenia, not my words btw, that was a quote, i have no idea myself. i was just wondering if you had see that info & whether there was any credence to it. thx again

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