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Vitamin D3 supplement with bad ingredients (soybean oil) and more,- worthwhile to use short-term as a stopgap, or worse than not consuming?

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Created May 20, 2013 at 12:12 AM

Hello!

I have recently been consuming somewhat large amounts of Vitamin A (1-3 tbsp cod-liver oil with D destroyed, presumably through processing, but 425-1500IU Vitamin A/tsp./1-3 days, .5 lb of grass-fed beef liver(once, not daily :-)), swordfish), but potentially little or no vitamin D. (a couple of mushrooms, some potentially grass-fed ghee, grass-fed pasteurized butter -- unsure if these contain vitamin D)

I also have somewhat accerlerative tooth decay, with a few stable but potentially decayed or abscessed teeth having re-begun decaying more rapidly in the past few days-week, as well as new decaying proceeding in fresh teeth fairly rapidly, and many studies and research appear to show that adding D3 alone as a supplement regularly can promote healing and regeneration of dentin, etc. There was also some research detailing odontoblasts as the structure within the body containing the most substances for receiving and processing forms of vitamin D, implying that it may truly be crucial to dental repair and/or health.

I have a poor-qualty bottle of vitamin D3 capsules, containing: Soybean Oil, Gelatin, Glycerin, Water, Corn Oil, Cod Liver Oil, Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol). (As listed on bottle)

I've read that trans-fats (produced through much soybean oil/canola oil processing) can be quite harmful. The ingredients seem somewhat porentially unpleasant in general.

However, I am likely consuming and making very little vitamin D at the moment.

But, I have also read that D3 potentially has a very long half-life (for absorption, perhaps?) in the body - 5-10 weeks. So, potentially, little is absorbed quickly.

So, in light of fairly high vitamin A intake and quite potentially little to no Vitamin D, or sun-exposure, would consuming the daily or weekly doses of approximately 2500IU-3,000IU/day vs. 21,000IU / week be desirable as a stopgap for vitamin/substance ratio balances, teeth, or other health reasons, until I can obtain better supplements or whole food sources of D3 within 2-7 days? Or, could the poor ingredients, and potentially poor quality, do more harm than good?

As a side note, are there undesirable effects which consuming supplemental D3 vs. whole-food sources of Vitamin D could have?

A8dc0864e48ea2e8368b7a93f06dd850

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on May 20, 2013
at 04:29 PM

My diet prior to last week when I got diagnosed with my issues, was 2-3 eggs for breakfast, raw milk with my coffee, some meat, potatoes, veggies, very occasional fish, sometimes prawns or mussels, a lot of fruits, rice, liver once every 2 weeks for the last 2 months before the test. So not very high in Vit D really

A8dc0864e48ea2e8368b7a93f06dd850

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on May 20, 2013
at 04:27 PM

I had the test done in Belgium as my doctor FedEx the blood there (He's Belgian, but works in London). The test cost 18.66 euros. I live in London and as you can imagine don't get much sun, especially in the last 4 years with the bad weather we've been having. I previously had blood tests done on my own in Europe, you basically come into a private test lab, they take your blood for whatever test you want and in a few days you can pick up your results, if you're from US I imagine it's similar.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on May 20, 2013
at 04:02 PM

YOUR body is the best determiner of the best ratio for you. I keep my D3 level on the high end of normal to keep my asthma symptoms away. For me, this is 6,000-8,000 IUs, depending on the season.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on May 20, 2013
at 03:58 PM

Generally, I see more Paleo folk consuming too much A to D. I notice that my body tells me when I have eaten enough liver.

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

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on May 20, 2013
at 03:33 PM

I see - just saw your comment. That's interesting, and makes sense. :-) Interesting to have a 1:1 ratio idea vs. the approximately 1:7 ideas.

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

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on May 20, 2013
at 03:30 PM

**within the bones, and high vitamin A imbalances increasing the need for Vitamin D is correct, and applicable, it would seem...

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

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on May 20, 2013
at 03:28 PM

*If the research regarding Vitamin D being most used within teeth structures, and being crucial within the bones is correct, and high vitamin A imbalances increasing the need for Vitamin D, and applicable, it would seem to fit the evidence. * As a... potentially useful data point for anyone reading through this,

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

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on May 20, 2013
at 03:23 PM

potential vitamin and mineral excesses. :-) I will be wiser in the future when consuming nutrient-dense foods... :-) I did take some of the potentially ineffective or rancid supplement, but I will seek out a better vitamin D3 supplement like Carson's Solar D Gems as soon as possible. I concur with the curiosity regarding the Vitamin A : Vitamin D ratio, though I will be researching that more in-depth. I'd be fascinated by any research you have on it.

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

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on May 20, 2013
at 03:16 PM

Thank you for the concise, and to-the-point answer. I will seek out a better D3 supplement when I can. As a... potentially useful data point, after eating the .5 lbs of grass-fed beef liver last night, I awoke this morning with very severrly painful teeth and gums throughout my mouth(a very, very rare occurrence for me in even a few teeth), shaky-feeling teeth(which has likely *never* occured before), and some less severe but quite noticable bone aches in the spine, hip, etc.(also extremely unusual for me). Serves me right for consuming lots of tasty liver without researching the various

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on May 20, 2013
at 03:15 PM

Yes, generally I have seen 1:10. Saw the 1:1 somewhere (PH or MDA)and it made sense to me. We can make 10-20,000 IUs D3 per day from sun exposure and it is possible to consume a similar amount of A from food sources. I suspect somewhere in between will prove to be true!

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

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on May 20, 2013
at 03:07 PM

That's fascinating, and good advice. How did you test your vitamin D levels (for $25-40)? Sounds very much worth it for that price. :-) Also, I'm curious as to what sort of diet and how much sun exposure/at what latitude you were having then.

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on May 20, 2013
at 01:14 AM

Any sources on 1:1 vit a and d? I've heard Chris Masterjohn or Kresser in articles on WAPF advocating something more like a 1:7 ratio. What makes you say 1:1?

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 20, 2013
at 12:52 AM

Lol, you are consuming 2-3 Tablespoons (my cod liver oil has 4300iu/teaspoon), and half a pound of grassfed liver per day. You should DEFINITELY be taking a d3 with that... Also, you should maybe calm down with the megadoses of vitamin a?

Are you seeing a dentist? What does he have to say about this? If your tooth destruction has acceleterated significantly as of recent then you should probably be seeking medical intervention.

The advice people here will give you is mostly preventative and if you are in a crisis state you actually need the medical intervention...

That being said, assuming you first see a dentist I would then advise you to calm the heck down with mega-dosing vitamin a, consider megadosing d in the very short term followed by reasonable amounts of vitamin d3 supplementation (THE FACT THAT IT'S IN SOYBEAN OIL IS FINE FOR NOW), ultimately sure, get a d3 not in soybean oil, but it is Seriously such a negligible amount of oil considering how small those capsules are.

After you take the above advice, consider yogurt and cheese to help hopefully freeze the tooth decay process.

But from the sounds of it you need to seriously consider seeing a dentist.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on May 20, 2013
at 01:07 AM

Take 8-10,000 IUs of Carlsons Solar D Gems/day and quit the CLO. You are looking for an approx ratio of 1:1 D to A.

You don't need CLO if you are eating that much liver a week.

Don't waste your time with a poor quality D3 supplement, given the situation you are in.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on May 20, 2013
at 03:15 PM

Yes, generally I have seen 1:10. Saw the 1:1 somewhere (PH or MDA)and it made sense to me. We can make 10-20,000 IUs D3 per day from sun exposure and it is possible to consume a similar amount of A from food sources. I suspect somewhere in between will prove to be true!

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

(529)

on May 20, 2013
at 03:33 PM

I see - just saw your comment. That's interesting, and makes sense. :-) Interesting to have a 1:1 ratio idea vs. the approximately 1:7 ideas.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on May 20, 2013
at 04:02 PM

YOUR body is the best determiner of the best ratio for you. I keep my D3 level on the high end of normal to keep my asthma symptoms away. For me, this is 6,000-8,000 IUs, depending on the season.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on May 20, 2013
at 03:58 PM

Generally, I see more Paleo folk consuming too much A to D. I notice that my body tells me when I have eaten enough liver.

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

(529)

on May 20, 2013
at 03:28 PM

*If the research regarding Vitamin D being most used within teeth structures, and being crucial within the bones is correct, and high vitamin A imbalances increasing the need for Vitamin D, and applicable, it would seem to fit the evidence. * As a... potentially useful data point for anyone reading through this,

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

(529)

on May 20, 2013
at 03:23 PM

potential vitamin and mineral excesses. :-) I will be wiser in the future when consuming nutrient-dense foods... :-) I did take some of the potentially ineffective or rancid supplement, but I will seek out a better vitamin D3 supplement like Carson's Solar D Gems as soon as possible. I concur with the curiosity regarding the Vitamin A : Vitamin D ratio, though I will be researching that more in-depth. I'd be fascinated by any research you have on it.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on May 20, 2013
at 01:14 AM

Any sources on 1:1 vit a and d? I've heard Chris Masterjohn or Kresser in articles on WAPF advocating something more like a 1:7 ratio. What makes you say 1:1?

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

(529)

on May 20, 2013
at 03:30 PM

**within the bones, and high vitamin A imbalances increasing the need for Vitamin D is correct, and applicable, it would seem...

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

(529)

on May 20, 2013
at 03:16 PM

Thank you for the concise, and to-the-point answer. I will seek out a better D3 supplement when I can. As a... potentially useful data point, after eating the .5 lbs of grass-fed beef liver last night, I awoke this morning with very severrly painful teeth and gums throughout my mouth(a very, very rare occurrence for me in even a few teeth), shaky-feeling teeth(which has likely *never* occured before), and some less severe but quite noticable bone aches in the spine, hip, etc.(also extremely unusual for me). Serves me right for consuming lots of tasty liver without researching the various

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A8dc0864e48ea2e8368b7a93f06dd850

(115)

on May 20, 2013
at 02:56 PM

I'd suggest you get actually tested for your Vit D levels, it costs $25-$40 I believe. I have started supplementing Vit D on my own 2 years ago first with 4000, then moved onto 8000-10000. I had my Vit D levels tested and it's too high! Keep in mind I have leaky gut and my absorption is impaired. Never would have I guessed I would be overdosing Vit D, so be careful, you never know.

A8dc0864e48ea2e8368b7a93f06dd850

(115)

on May 20, 2013
at 04:29 PM

My diet prior to last week when I got diagnosed with my issues, was 2-3 eggs for breakfast, raw milk with my coffee, some meat, potatoes, veggies, very occasional fish, sometimes prawns or mussels, a lot of fruits, rice, liver once every 2 weeks for the last 2 months before the test. So not very high in Vit D really

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

(529)

on May 20, 2013
at 03:07 PM

That's fascinating, and good advice. How did you test your vitamin D levels (for $25-40)? Sounds very much worth it for that price. :-) Also, I'm curious as to what sort of diet and how much sun exposure/at what latitude you were having then.

A8dc0864e48ea2e8368b7a93f06dd850

(115)

on May 20, 2013
at 04:27 PM

I had the test done in Belgium as my doctor FedEx the blood there (He's Belgian, but works in London). The test cost 18.66 euros. I live in London and as you can imagine don't get much sun, especially in the last 4 years with the bad weather we've been having. I previously had blood tests done on my own in Europe, you basically come into a private test lab, they take your blood for whatever test you want and in a few days you can pick up your results, if you're from US I imagine it's similar.

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