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Symptons of Vitamin D overdose or magnesium deficiency? Are we taking Vitamin D correctly?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created November 27, 2012 at 3:36 PM

When I was taking one pill of 5000iu a day of vitamin D, after a while I used to start getting a few symptoms: chest pain, dry mouth, insomnia.

Interestingly, these are symptoms associated with both vitamin D overdose and magnesium deficiency.

Since vitamin D needs magnesium to operate correctly I'm wondering whether these symptoms were caused by magnesium exhaustion due to the increased vitamin d ingestion or simply by too much vitamin D?

I also wonder if its healthy to take big doses of vitamin D in a row instead of taking smaller pills multiple times a day. I know 5000ui a day is safe but would it be better to take maybe 2000ui twice a day? I ask this because while our skin can create alot of vitamin D for a brief exposure in the sun, the body doesn't get all of it immediately, rather it seems that it takes a while for it to go to the liver?

Thanks!

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on November 28, 2012
at 03:29 PM

http://www.westonaprice.org/childrens-health/vitamin-a-for-fetal-development , http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/2010/12/16/is-vitamin-d-safe-still-depends-on-vitamins-a-and-k-testimonials-and-a-human-study/ , http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2010/03/10/more-attacks-on-vitamin-a/ . See the difference?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on November 28, 2012
at 03:29 PM

Besides, if I was going to reference WAP instead of n=1 personal experience I would have referenced the following: http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2012/01/22/new-evidence-of-synergy-between-vitamins-a-and-d-protection-against-autoimmune-diseases/ , http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/update-on-vitamins-a-and-d , http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/vitamin-a-vagary , http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/vitamin-a-saga , http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/vitamin-a-knavery

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on November 28, 2012
at 02:43 PM

I just want to point out that neither of my sources are from WAPF and that I gave him this recommendation based on what worked for me specifically as a n=1.

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on November 28, 2012
at 02:18 PM

Wish folks didn't reference non-peer reviewed WAP stuff as gospel…

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on November 28, 2012
at 02:17 PM

Also, just a little beef liver or cream and/or butter if your so inclined can provide 5000-10000 IU retinol easily without supplementation. Most A supplements are synthetic.

7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

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on November 28, 2012
at 01:58 PM

+1 on the K2 recommendation. Without adequate K2 the D and A can casue calcification of soft tissues instead of bones.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on November 28, 2012
at 12:05 PM

http://www.wholehealthweb.com/how-well-do-you-convert-beta-carotene-vitamin Beta Carotene is not reliably converted to Retinol. But, if I were you I'd buy a small bottle of retinol vit a and beta carotene vitamin a and supplement one or the other at an A:D ratio of 5:1-8:1 for One-two days and see if that makes your chest pain go away. If its going to work you should notice a same day difference in symptoms.

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on November 28, 2012
at 10:48 AM

Does it need to be Retinol or beta carotene also works?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on November 27, 2012
at 11:55 PM

I've noticed side effects at 5-15k iu range/day. If I supplement 5kiu a day a few days in a row I'll get weird aches, but when I supplement it with Vit A I don't get it. I've tried it a bunch of times to make sure it was the D3 so I say this with a high degree of confidence. Vitamin D creates a bunch of proteins and if Vitamin A doesn't keep this process in check then your vitamin k2 stores can become deficient from activating all the surplus proteins that were produced by Vit D.

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on November 28, 2012
at 01:20 PM

Do not take vitamin D as a monotherapy if taking more than 3,000 IU daily. Cofactors must be changed to balance the body.

In a nutshell, this means Magnesium and Calcium 500 mg per day. The Magnesium deficiency shows up as pain within days for about 1 in 10 people. The excess Calcium does not show up as a problem (for your cardiovascular system) for years. Reasons for balancing all of the cofactors, including vitamin K2, Boron, Silicon, Zinc, and Omega-3 are described at http://is.gd/cofactord1

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on November 27, 2012
at 03:46 PM

I highly doubt you're in vitamin D toxicity range with 5000 IU per day. I've seen numbers upwards of 50000 IU per day for extended periods of time to start getting a hypervitaminosis toxicity response, you could have kidney, liver, thyroid or other health problems that exasperate it, I suppose.

Anecdote: I take 15000-20000 IU twice weekly (or whenever I remember), all in a single dose. No issues at all. Though I don't know my serum D levels to know if this is adequate or overkill.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on November 27, 2012
at 11:55 PM

I've noticed side effects at 5-15k iu range/day. If I supplement 5kiu a day a few days in a row I'll get weird aches, but when I supplement it with Vit A I don't get it. I've tried it a bunch of times to make sure it was the D3 so I say this with a high degree of confidence. Vitamin D creates a bunch of proteins and if Vitamin A doesn't keep this process in check then your vitamin k2 stores can become deficient from activating all the surplus proteins that were produced by Vit D.

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on November 27, 2012
at 07:50 PM

Supplement D with A (retinol), that cleared up any symptoms I got from taking d3.

Also, some k2 might serve you well. Vitamin D toxicity rede???ned: Vitamin K and the molecular mechanism

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on November 28, 2012
at 03:29 PM

http://www.westonaprice.org/childrens-health/vitamin-a-for-fetal-development , http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/2010/12/16/is-vitamin-d-safe-still-depends-on-vitamins-a-and-k-testimonials-and-a-human-study/ , http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2010/03/10/more-attacks-on-vitamin-a/ . See the difference?

7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

(2698)

on November 28, 2012
at 02:17 PM

Also, just a little beef liver or cream and/or butter if your so inclined can provide 5000-10000 IU retinol easily without supplementation. Most A supplements are synthetic.

7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

(2698)

on November 28, 2012
at 01:58 PM

+1 on the K2 recommendation. Without adequate K2 the D and A can casue calcification of soft tissues instead of bones.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on November 28, 2012
at 02:18 PM

Wish folks didn't reference non-peer reviewed WAP stuff as gospel…

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on November 28, 2012
at 02:43 PM

I just want to point out that neither of my sources are from WAPF and that I gave him this recommendation based on what worked for me specifically as a n=1.

Fcb1af6f792ae254cf733e4f51c06a6d

on November 28, 2012
at 10:48 AM

Does it need to be Retinol or beta carotene also works?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on November 28, 2012
at 12:05 PM

http://www.wholehealthweb.com/how-well-do-you-convert-beta-carotene-vitamin Beta Carotene is not reliably converted to Retinol. But, if I were you I'd buy a small bottle of retinol vit a and beta carotene vitamin a and supplement one or the other at an A:D ratio of 5:1-8:1 for One-two days and see if that makes your chest pain go away. If its going to work you should notice a same day difference in symptoms.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on November 28, 2012
at 03:29 PM

Besides, if I was going to reference WAP instead of n=1 personal experience I would have referenced the following: http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2012/01/22/new-evidence-of-synergy-between-vitamins-a-and-d-protection-against-autoimmune-diseases/ , http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/update-on-vitamins-a-and-d , http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/vitamin-a-vagary , http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/vitamin-a-saga , http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/vitamin-a-knavery

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