I get fever blisters pretty easily so I do my best to avoid the sun etc. It is now turning into a constant problem and making me nuts. After doing a little research I see that "they" think the FBs are primarily caused by sun exposure rather than stress or a certain type of food. So, I am wondering, I am out of the sun or covered in SPF most of the time to avoid getting them, but I am also taking 5000 ius of VitD3/day. Anyone know if there is a connection between the VitD3 and being more susceptible to getting them? To give you an idea of how ridiculous this is, the second my mouth has sun on it...I start getting those freaking tingles....so annoying.
Also, any thoughts on treating them without meds. The meds are barely working anyway. Thanks in advance!
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on June 07, 2010
at 03:01 AM
--Also, any thoughts on treating them without meds.
When I get that tingle feeling of a fever blister coming, I immediately grab an ice cube and hold it against that spot for 10-20 minutes. It's messy but often effective. I also take several L-Lysine pills immediately - Trader Joes is my favorite because it's high dosage and not chalky. And I don't go anywhere without Lysine+ lip ointment (made by Quantum), I use this after the ice cube treatment, and it's the best non-prescription thing out there if you actually end up with a fever blister. Lysine+ isn't always at Walgreens etc, but Drugstore.com carries it. I've also used Denavir cream to treat them, which works but requires a prescription.
Preventively, I use lots of chapstick with 30 spf sunscreen when I'm in the sun.
Hope this helps!
on June 07, 2010
at 07:04 PM
While I don't get cold sores on my lips, I do have the fun genital variety (oh, more TMI), and as I recall, the treatment and the way the virus acts is very similar for both HSV-I and -II. Though obviously, I don't get the same kind of sun exposure ahem on my "zone". lol
I have found that, for me, anyway, the major triggers are stress and physical irritation (thong underwear is impossible, again, TMI, sorry). It could be that too much sun or dry and cracked lips (chlorine? sunburn? windburn?) could cause such an outbreak. Other known triggers are a diet high in sugar and/or caffeine. I haven't found caffeine to exacerbate the situation, but definitely since I've been on a more paleo diet, and have reduced my carbohydrate intake (from all sources), I've had outbreaks less often. Physical irritation/stress on the area will almost always cause an outbreak, as will a period of high emotional stress (usually, right after the stress subsides, the blisters appear).
Depending on the circumstances, I either let the sore heal on its own -- takes 4 or 5 days -- or I opt for the little blue pills (acyclovir? I can never remember, but the generic brand), which give me noticeable relief after taking the 2nd pill. I've learned that I have to take all 6 pills, or I risk the outbreak not going away completely. If I am aware that life is stressful at the moment, and that stress is likely the cause, I definitely go for the meds because otherwise I might be in for a series of outbreaks, or sores not quite healing, and self-infecting. I used to find the cream to be effective, but not any more. Not worth the expense.
I have been taking 2,000-5,000IU of Vit D3 (in drops) for quite some time now, and have not noticed any effect from the Vitamin D. If anything, I would question the ingredients in the sunscreen/lip balm. Another point re: cream and balm, is that I find sores heal faster if the area is left dry and open to the air. If you're smothering the spot with cream and keeping it humid, this may be slowing down the healing.
I've been dealing with the virus for almost 10 years now. The initial outbreak was terrible, and then after that I got a sore a month for almost a year. Eventually, the virus seems to slow down. I get them about once or twice a year now.
Just my experience, take from it what you will. Apologies for the TMI.
EDIT: Also, you may want to read up on shingles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_zoster if the sores you're getting are spread out all over your body. "Cold sores" are usually right around your mouth/nose area.
on June 07, 2010
at 01:16 AM
This is a difficult health problem that remains a mystery. I'm not aware of anyone who has the "silver bullet" for this, Paleo or not.
There does seem to be general agreement that "fever blisters," a.k.a. "cold sores," are caused by a virus that infects virtually the entire population of Earth by adulthood: Herpes Simplex Type 1 (HSV-1).
Herpes viruses seem to be almost impossible to eradicate. They hide within nerve cells near the original point of infection and can remain dormant for many years. Then when the person is tired and run-down, misses a few nights of sleep, etc. and the immune system is temporarily weakened, the virus can become active and an outbreak results, either a single cold sore on the lip, a group of sores somewhere else on the body, or an agonizing outbreak in the inside of the mouth like one of my boys suffered from several years ago where even swallowing water becomes almost impossible.
It's true that sunlight often seems to trigger an attack, but one thing we do know is that Vitamin D (of course produced by sunlight) is intimately involved in the body's defense mechanism against viruses. So I would hesitate to not only avoid sunlight but also stop all Vitamin D supplementation without taking the test to see if I actually had too high a concentration of Vitamin D in my body, which is rare.
Hopefully someday someone will figure out how to not only keep Herpes viruses dormant indefinitely but also how to expunge them from the body permanently. But until then, I do think that a Paleo life-style can, over the long term, gradually strengthen the immune system and help suppress outbreaks.
on February 18, 2012
at 04:41 PM
I think it has to do with the relationship between vitamin A and D levels. Once I started getting enough vitamin A, I stopped getting fever blisters, so matter how much sun or Vitamin D I took.
on March 25, 2011
at 02:19 AM
Geeez. This post makes me want to never take any Vit D. I get cold sores very infrequently...usually from HIGH stress, or major lack of sleep in the springtime when I get more sun exposure.
I always wear an SPF lip balm, and use the Burt's Bees stick almost obsessively/daily.
If I ever feel a tingle, I do like previous posters and hold an ice cube on there til it melts, then the L-Lysine pills (I usually take 6 or more at a time, in the morning and then at night before bed), and the Lysine lip balm.
If it ever makes it past that stage, you guys are gonna think I'm nuts...but I pop it (CAREFULLY! Clean up that herpes ridden juice with a q-tip and don't get it anywhere! Wash your hands immediately) and douse it with ACETONE. Seriously. Works like a charm. As long as you keep the acetone soaked qtip on there for only about 30 seconds at a time, about 5 reps and don't burn yourself with it, the sore will dry up, and crust over (which is no big deal if it's small). It's usually gone the next day or the day after that. I also PUMP L-Lysine pills like there's no tomorrow.
Also, kefir and yogurt are full of natural Lysine.
During the outbreak, stay away from nuts. Ha!
on August 28, 2012
at 04:59 PM
Vitamin b-complex 3 times a day, i like b supreme from designs for health. Vit c buffered, i like a powdered for mixed with water twice a day. These will stop it in its tracks. If by chance you already have a break out, apply apple cider vinegar topically, and do the above. Generally an a outbreak means your immune system is low, and since your gut is about 80% your immunity, you need to stop eating garbage, like quick cards, processed foods and breads. Douse yourself with a great probiotic, i like bio-k at whole foods, take one a day for about a week. Get adjusted as this improves function, digestion, and immunity. Eat only grass fed beef, free range organic chicken, healthy fish, lots of different colored veggies, salads, and berries. You will lose weight, improve your immunity, and stop breakouts.
on July 22, 2012
at 01:40 PM
After eliminating gluten, I haven't had a cold sore in years. I would get them 4-6x a year before.
on December 24, 2011
at 08:15 AM
OK. I know this is going to sound weird. But it is a miraculous cure for any scrape, cut, sores, and yes, even a cold sore (fever blisters) and canker sores. I bought a book about 10 years ago called "101 Home Remedies". I came across something in this book that "changed my life"! LOL! Get this...,the common "hair drier"/blow drier" helps heal any sore! I know it sounds insane...BUT it makes sense if you think about it. Infection and bacteria thrive in WARM/MOIST places. We all know this, however; when we have a cut, scrape or sore we slap on all kinds of ointments, salves, moisturizers, etc...WE keeping the area MOIST and WARM. This is counter productive and provides a hospitable environment for infection and bacteria. The theory at the heart of this is to "heat and dry" the area with a hair drier. The heat is kind of like "a fever" which kills infection and bacteria. The lack of moister kills infection and bacteria as well! (PLEASE DON'T MISUNDERSTAND. YOU KEEP THE BLOW DRIER AT A SAFE DISTANCE. BURNING YOURSELF WOULD MAKE THINGS WORSE! AND ALWAYS, WHEN IN DOUBT, SEE A DOCTOR)! You would be surprised at the relief you feel when you when you do this! The pain is almost immediately remedied! With any MINOR SORE (including a cold sore) blow the area gently with a hair drier. Get the area "warmer" than the rest of your skin and get the area dried out.(BE CAREFUL TO NOT BURN, MOVE THE HAIR DRIER SIDE TO SIDE TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT IN ONE PLACE FOR TO LONG. MAKE SURE IT IS AT A SAFE DISTANCE). Do this a few times a day. After about a day pain and inflammation should have subsided. Then, (when the pain and inflammations is gone) start putting on the ointments. It works! Try it!
on August 27, 2013
at 05:13 AM
Be careful with the Lysine. I had been taking them for about 6 months and my back started hurting. I thought I had hurt it somehow but couldn't figure out how. I hurt so bad i could not get out of bed for a week. Finally, after starting to get a fever...I knew back aches did not cause fevers...I went to the Dr. Turns out my kidneys were about to shut down. I had to take 2 rounds of antiobotics and it still took several weeks to get over it. I , not realizing it was the Lysine causing this continued to take it. A month later I was back at the Dr with the same problem. I knew it had to be something I was taking and the only thing different was the Lysine. I stopped it immediately and haven't had any more problems with my kidneys. It's been over 2 years! Just be careful. A fever blister is better than kidney damage.
on November 25, 2012
at 04:46 PM
Wow. These posts are so helpgul. I live in Phoenix for past 3 years (lots of sun) but actually it is so harsh we are rarely out in it. It's Winter now and a different story - we welcome the 85 degree temps and get out there! After 20 years without an outbreak (and lots of outdoor activities in the Pacific NW sunshine prior to my relocation) - I NOW have had 2 outbreaks in the past 2 weeks! The only thing unusual is that I finished my Vit D3 caps and started on D3 drops. That must be the culprit. I invest in high qiuality supplements so I trust thr manufacturers. I am "dropping the drops"! Thanks all
on November 21, 2012
at 02:38 PM
I have the same problem with vitamin D I also think the two must be related if you could please get back to me if you got any helpful information that would be awesome! Thanks
on November 19, 2012
at 06:14 PM
I am wheat free, no processed foods and I am using kefir and I still have these stupid things! Have been wheat free doing Wheat Belly since Feb. of this year. My vit. D3 level is too low and I read somewhere when your D level gets right they will do away. I am taking D3 from the compound pharmacy because I can't take the ones from Walmart or the drug store because they give me the cold sores. So I'm trying these now. I have had one that will not go away but does get better but I can still tell it's there because it's sensitive and it's just inside the end of my nose. Right now I have two close together in my nose and one on my bottom lip. I have been really fighting these things since last year. Have always had them but not this bad. I am going to try these b complex! I have also lost 44 pounds but have some more to go.
on July 22, 2012
at 10:09 AM
I was cursed with the herpes virus after a swim in a nasty pool at the age of 9. I've never met anybody irl who gets an outbreak as bad as I do! I sometimes wish I just had the 'average' blister on my lip instead of this huge outbreak on the side of my mouth or on my chin. This past winter I was living my worst nightmare, we got a new cat and his longer hair seemed to have given me allergies which just lowered my immune system so much that I would get a new batch of blisters as soon as I got rid of the others...this cycle lasted from October until February! I finally remembered that I used to drink Lysine as a kid and found some 1000mg pills at my pharmacy (which I recommend above the lower doses!!) and I started drinking a female multi-vitamin to boost my immune system. In my home country my doctor used to give me vitamin c shots which helped from time to time. But I now live in a country where I am still learning their language and English doctors are rare.
A couple of years ago my mom found a product online called 'Virulite' which I apply daily before a very stressful event, while in the sun or while I am sick and apart from this past winter this products usually prevents an outbreak. On their instructions they say start using when you feel the tingling but I don't let it get that far, I also apply it a couple of times more than they say you should.
When an outbreak does occur though I have a very...unconventional way of dealing with the blisters, I literally burn them with surgical spirits. I rub the surgical spirits on the blisters with an ear bud until they break and I keep rubbing until all that is left is the skin beneath and then I keep dabbing a cotton pad until all the watery secretions stop, I then have a scab for maybe 4 days and it falls off and my skin is clear. I have been doing this since I was 16 and am now turning 21, if you really inspect my skin you will see some scar tissue, however, as a girl with self confidence issues (thanks to this virus and endless bullying at school because of it) I'd rather have almost invisible scar tissue than these hideous blisters.
Oh yes, I don't drink the lysine all the time, because I have read that too much can give you kidney stones, but I do drink it for example - now that it is summer and I am in the sun, I drink once daily and if I suspect a breakout I drink up to 3000mg a day throughout the day. I also use natural stress relievers a couple of weeks leading up to a big event and about a week afterwards. It helps a bit, I wish it helped 100% though.
on May 25, 2012
at 10:25 AM
Fever Blisters - I sure do hate them.
I have been getting fever blisters since I was 3 years old. I am now 26, and it is definitely not something you wish upon you worst enemy. I have read on numerous pages and medical booklets that fever blisters occur because of sun, hormones, cheese, nuts and low immune system... and i do get them from all of these reasons.
When i go thru a bad patch, i will get 2 - 3 fever blisters a month over a period of 6 months (winter and summer). When i have flu, I will fight 6 - 10 large blisters on my mouth and nose at one time.
I was treated with a pill called Zelitrex, but it had severe side effects. Currently, i am taking Cyclivex 200mg and this helps that the blisters are basically 'dead' the next day, but you still take the pills for 5 days from the day of breakout. Along with an ointment, espicially when the outbreak starts and it is painfull i use DYNEXAN by Adcock Ingram that works like a bomb. It is an oral anasthetic ointment which forms a film on the sore once you apply it that helps relieve the tingle sensation. DO NOT keep your blister moist as it does not allow for bacteria to dry out. I have used Activir, Carmex, Feniver, Zovirax, bactroban, brandy as spot treatment, ice and even went for poleo injections - none of these has helped. So many scientists in the world, why can't they find a medicine to inject in to the blister to kill it instantly! don't expect a cure, as this is a virus as is AIDS.
on April 28, 2012
at 04:44 PM
I have found out what was causing my herpes virus to activate after injesting vitamin d2 supplements.
It's arginine, an ingredient in the gelatin capsule.
I have just read this can be cut in half and put into a liquid.
Hopefully, none of the ingredients from the capsule will still be in it or at least as much when it was intact.
Sure hope this works.
on April 16, 2012
at 05:56 PM
I have been getting fever blisters for about 15 years now. I've had 2 in the last month! The second one was really bad. It has taking over half of my chin. It is no longer on my lip anymore, but on my face. I've never had one this bad before. So, the trick for sure is to not let that juice that comes out of these blisters to get anywhere else on your face or you will start spreading it around making it longer to heal. I usually get one from stress or sun. I take Valtrex, one a day. However I still usually get 2 a year. I don't know what we are going to do. It seems as if the older I get the worse these things become for me. I'm going to try the hair dryer for sure.
on February 09, 2012
at 01:42 AM
I have been getting fever blisters since I was small (Pre- K picture confirms it) and now I am 31 and still get them! The first thing I do when I get the tingling feeling is take out my Abreva and apply it as much as I can. I actually have a blister right now which I felt coming on since last night. I must have applied the Abreva at least ten times today and believe it or not it has already filled up with the liquid and popped and it hasn't been 24 hours yet! This is the first time I have applied Abreva this many times in one day. I have always used Abeva and it has shortened the healing time, but I think this is the first time it has filled up so quickly and popped the first day. I realized that I have been more stressed in the past couple of weeks and this is actually my third one in the last month. I usually only get them when the weather changes (winter to spring) or (summer to fall) and usually only one. Hopefully this will be my last one for now!
on May 27, 2011
at 08:48 PM
I also get cold sores from a sudden or high dose of vit d - either from supplement or sun. I read somewhere that the dormant virus becomes active when the surge of vit d alters the ratio of calcium in your tissue vs calcium circulating in your blood.
on May 27, 2011
at 08:35 PM
No more vitamin D for me! I started getting cold sores about three years ago, after a sun filled summer in Mexico. Now, they occur more frequently and with more severity. I started getting cold sores about once a month and the one last month was the last straw, a painful, embarrassing, hideous, pus-filled nightmare.
After doing a lot of research, I finally got a regimen that seems to be working great for me. I use a Lysine ointment with camphor and menthol and put a single drop of peppermint oil, a few drops of bee propolis, and a few drops of lemon balm n it, mix it up, and start applying several times a day. It works! I also supplement with L-Lysine tablets, and reishi capsules. This seems like a lot, but it is all natural, and the stuff I get is high quality and pure, so I only use very little of it. The cold sore never blisters, and just darkens the skin. Bee propolis applied directly to the cold sore brings immediate relief.
The key for me seems to be sun exposure, so I also bought 50+ spf lip balm from Hawaiin tropics and never leave the house without it. And, just because I have a very stressful life, I bought Hyland's holisitc nerve tonic tablets that I pop when I start to get stressed. It works!
I hope this helps everyone as much as it helped me, because I know what a hassle these stupid colds sores can be. Good luck!
P.S. You can find most of this stuff in your local health food store or on Amazon.com.
on March 25, 2011
at 01:13 AM
I to have had major fever blister breakouts that just keep coming from taking vitamin D ! I quit taking it well over a month ago and still having problems !!
also it upset my stomach so bad over time that I couldnt eat!
I am also overweight with fatty liver (60 lbs over) was in constant pain until I started d therapy ..d really helped that but I cant stand the fact that I have fever blisters all over my face either and horrible stomach problems
previous d level was 25 after 2 months of therepy 5000 IU daily it came up only by 3 points to 28 at my worst stomach issues I was rechecked and it was ok so I dunno where to go at this point
I get that it is made in the liver and kidneys - hence fatty liver may be hindering that process .. read that d was good for fatty liver too but it cant help if I cant take it
d is supposed to help with weight loss too
doc dismissed the idea that d was causing my outbreaks and stomach issues ! he is ignorant -- I will leave it at that !
funny I didnt have that problem until I started taking it !!
on March 21, 2011
at 12:01 AM
vit d seems to be an immediate cause of a cold sore
treatment - wait until it opens - then frequent antibiotic cream to prevent infection
then - after breaking open i keep lots of antibiotic cream on it - 1 - is this proper for the medicine??
- 2- is this proper to keep the wound covered with greasy ointment?
3 - if you want a dry wound how to you rub on the aintibiotic ointment?
vit d is exactly a trigger
any ideas of preventative food, vitamins??
on December 06, 2010
at 08:57 PM
I have had feverblisters a few times a year since childhood. Several years in a row, I noticed one in October when the weather changed. However, this year I did not get one in October as I expected I would. But then I had a doctor appt in late November last month (thyroid monitoring). While there, I explained to the doc that for a few weeks I had been feeling bad, lots of feet cramping, bloating, and overall sluggish disgestion. He then looked over my lab work. He said everything was great except that my Vitamin D levels were so low they were almost non-existent. So he prescribed some type of Vitamin D pills. I am to take one once a week. Well I didn't want to chance taking a new vitamin and maybe getting sick to my stomach from it, so I waited until this past Friday evening, right before bed, and then I took it. By 2pm the next day, I had a fever blister - a pretty large one. BAM - just like that. My lips had been only slightly dry that morning. Other than that, nothing unusual. At this point, I believe it is the Vitamin D pill that caused it. I have rarely ever had fever blisters back to back, maybe in my teenage years. I am 37 now. So, I will take another pill or two as prescribed (once a week), and "if" I get another fever blister this month (Dec), I will reasonably conclude it is the Vitamin D pill and will not take another one. Hopefully I will remember to repost an update at the end of the month.
on November 14, 2010
at 04:37 PM
I used to only have herpes 1 and 2 outbreaks once a year(and those were relatively mild and of a short duration) until my doctor prescribed 50,000IU vitamin D2 late last year, once a week and now I am on the same dosage once a month. My vitamin D level was 9 and now its 26.4. I am miserable with having these outbreaks, but even with extensive research I have been doing online I can't find any literature to support my claim. Just the opposite, in fact. So, I haven't told my doctor about it.
This is only the second site I have been able to find where posters have mentioned there may be a connection between the vitamin and outbreaks. Vitamin D is considered by some to be a hormone and I feel for that reason I could be having outbreaks, too. When I was on HRT for menopause, I kept having constant herpes outbreaks. I didn't realize that was the cause until doctors stopped prescribing it after a study was published and voila! a month later I realized I wasn't having them anymore!
Also, when I tried calcium supplements a few years ago with Vitamin D, 400IU added, I had the same problems.
No matter what dosage of Vitamin D2, it affects me.
I have read that vitamin D3 contains lanolin and I have a lot of allergies, so I don't know if I could tolerate it or why my doctor didn't prescribe that in the first place as we are supposed to be able to digest it better than the D2.
It does help to know I am not alone.