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Cysts and over-supplementation?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 31, 2010 at 1:38 AM

Hi All,

I feel like all I am doing is writing questions about health problems, I don't seem to be a very good advertisement for the Primal way of life at the moment! Ah well, at least I'm thin ;)

About 4 years ago I developed a cyst on the side of my body in between my stomach and my back. I didn't know what it was at the time but it was just a little bump and as I was young, I paid it no heed after initially noticing it. Then while in Australia I was bitten on the cyst by an unidentified insect (I was asleep) It became very inflamed.

Stupidly I ignored it until it healed and then forgot. Then I became paleo, started taking vitamin D 10,000IU a day (too much I know now) and it became inflamed again a year after the bite, and then healed again, but this time it was much more swollen and sore and I had trouble sitting and driving. It eventually healed.

Another year later and it becomes inflamed and infected again, this time it lasts for weeks and shows no sign of abating, I show it to a doctor friend of mine, who in conjunction with the insect bite story says to get checked out straight away. I go to the doc who tells me it's just a benign cyst that happened to get infected and gives me a prescription for antibiotics and sends me on my way assuring me that that won't be the only cyst I develop and that I'm likely to get one under my arms too.

Lo and behold, a month later, a new cyst (benign) appears under my arm.

Serendipitously, I read a blog post from Don Matesz that outlines a patient who got a salivary stone while supplementing vitamin D3 4,000IU, at this point I realise my folly in taking 10,000IU/day and quit it cold turkey (followed by a predictably vicious cold from my dropping 25-oh-d levels). This almost instantly helped the infected cyst reduce in size and some of the calcification went away. It's now a happy little benign cyst that doesn't bother me.

Now the cyst under my arm is infected! I can't go through the same cycle of pain as I did with the first one, I have been supplementing K2 but to no avail as I thought K2 was good to prevent calcification. I have stayed off the vitamin D but take moderate amount of cod liver oil combined with high vitamin butter oil and magnesium.

Sorry for the essay but I didn't want to leave out any information that was salient. Any insight into my predicament? My doctor's opinion is 'Live with it, it's just one of those things' which I don't believe. I also have intermittent vertigo and really bad PMS if they could all in any way be connected? Any help appreciated!!

UPDATE: I've been painting iodine on to the cysts and they are shrinking! I feel an awful lot better in general too.

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on August 19, 2011
at 03:41 PM

I lol'd........

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on August 14, 2010
at 10:43 AM

i don't know if it's only me but it appears that some key nutrients that come from the sea are missing in our bodies i.e. magnesium, iodine. This deficiency is probably causing a lot of ailments and many people are clueless about the causes of those ailments.

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on August 13, 2010
at 09:12 PM

@Kim That's a whole lot of good info right there. Thx for that!

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on May 31, 2010
at 04:08 PM

For the record, I think the iodine fearmongering is severely overblown. The Food and Nutrition Board's RDA of iodine is just enough to prevent gout. The Japanese safely ingest an average of 12.5 mg daily - 100x our RDA. People living in some coastal regions regularly consume as much as 50-80 mg of iodine daily.

A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

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on May 31, 2010
at 12:54 PM

Just found this: http://healthwyze.org/index.php/the-dark-side-of-the-alternative-health-movement-promoting-ingested-iodine.html So am going to try trans-dermal iodine instead, I learnt my lesson about being flippant with supplements from almost overdosing on D!

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on May 31, 2010
at 12:53 PM

Thanks for the input, my menstual cycle is all over the place (3 weeks late this time!) so I think you are right in thinking that it could be hormone related.

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on May 31, 2010
at 12:46 PM

i just saw that your vertigo doesn't seem to be related to PMS. my husband also has periods of super bad vertigo that happen years apart. there wasn't any definitive diagnosis, but the doctors think it may have been caused by a virus. i remember thinking that maybe i had a virus that caused the cysts. antibiotics don't work for viruses. the last time my husband got vertigo, i wasn't long after eating some raw meat. i though there might be a connection. this is a little bit of a stab in the dark, but how are your food sources? are you cooking everything thoroughly?

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on May 31, 2010
at 10:48 AM

One question, I take fermented cod liver oil every day, doesn't that contain iodine?

A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

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on May 31, 2010
at 10:45 AM

Thank you, I'll look into it!

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on May 31, 2010
at 04:01 AM

I agree with Ed. If you're serious, it's more than harsh. If you're joking, add the appropriate emoticon.

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on May 31, 2010
at 03:33 AM

Are you joking? With an answer that harsh, you may want to throw in an emoticon.

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0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

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on May 31, 2010
at 03:34 AM

I don't know about over-supplementation, but I've read an awful lot linking cysts with low iodine levels. Dr. Jorge Flechas is particularly vocal about it, and claims that cysts - sebaceous cysts, ovarian cysts, Fibrocystic breasts, keloids, etc. - are all markers of iodine deficiency.

I began researching iodine after I noticed several unusual (for me) symptoms about a year into going paleo, including dry skin and cold extremities. I hadn't connected it at the time, but I also developed a sebaceous cyst on the top of my head. My doctor told me I could have it surgically removed if it ever started bothering me too much, but thankfully, I may not have to bother. Ever since I began iodine therapy (supplementation as well as applying it topically to the cyst) it's slowly shrinking on its own.

In a different thread I shared my findings as to why someone living a paleo lifestyle might be at risk of becoming iodine deficient. It may be more of us than you'd think. Richard Nikoley calls it the "Hidden Benefit of the SAD."

Anyway, this information doesn't seem to be very mainstream, but I think it's worth looking into. Here are links to the podcasts in which Dr. Flechas talks iodine. I can't tell you exactly where in the audio tracks he talks specifically about cysts, but it's in there.

Dr. Jorge Flechas On Iodine Therapy For Thyroid, Fibromyalgia & More

Healthy By Nature (part 1)

Healthy By Nature (part 2)

Here's another good article about iodine on Lew Rockwell.

Hope this helps - good luck!

A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

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on May 31, 2010
at 12:54 PM

Just found this: http://healthwyze.org/index.php/the-dark-side-of-the-alternative-health-movement-promoting-ingested-iodine.html So am going to try trans-dermal iodine instead, I learnt my lesson about being flippant with supplements from almost overdosing on D!

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on May 31, 2010
at 04:08 PM

For the record, I think the iodine fearmongering is severely overblown. The Food and Nutrition Board's RDA of iodine is just enough to prevent gout. The Japanese safely ingest an average of 12.5 mg daily - 100x our RDA. People living in some coastal regions regularly consume as much as 50-80 mg of iodine daily.

A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

(4183)

on May 31, 2010
at 10:48 AM

One question, I take fermented cod liver oil every day, doesn't that contain iodine?

A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

(4183)

on May 31, 2010
at 10:45 AM

Thank you, I'll look into it!

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

(1164)

on August 14, 2010
at 10:43 AM

i don't know if it's only me but it appears that some key nutrients that come from the sea are missing in our bodies i.e. magnesium, iodine. This deficiency is probably causing a lot of ailments and many people are clueless about the causes of those ailments.

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

(1164)

on August 13, 2010
at 09:12 PM

@Kim That's a whole lot of good info right there. Thx for that!

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 31, 2010
at 12:39 PM

i'm 45. 20 or so years ago while living in taiwan i got a big, pus-filled cyst on the side of my face and a small one on my back. the one on my back just healed itself, but the one of my face had to be drained with a syringe. i guess i took antibiotics after that, but i don't remember clearly. i just know that that environment is extremely polluted, and i thought that the root of the problem might have come from breathing in a lot of car exhaust or drinking water with pollutants in it. the thing is, i was exposed to all of that for 3 years, and the cysts just came on at one time and then didn't return. i also used to have a problem around that time where just before my period started, i would almost faint and have really bad contraction pain even though i wasn't pregnant (this pain was worse than natural childbirth, which i have since gone through). some women with this problem go on birth control to tame their hormones, but a doctor told me to take ibuprofen i think it was 2 days before my period. that helped. i think the ibuprofen interferes with the hormone prostaglandin??? just looking at what i have written, i don't have any clear answers for you. maybe something here jumps out at you as being similar to your situation. this all happened to me in my early 20s. Are you around that age? Maybe it's a hormone problem and you have to seek out a good endocrinologist of ob/gyn. good luck to you!!

A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

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on May 31, 2010
at 12:53 PM

Thanks for the input, my menstual cycle is all over the place (3 weeks late this time!) so I think you are right in thinking that it could be hormone related.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 31, 2010
at 12:46 PM

i just saw that your vertigo doesn't seem to be related to PMS. my husband also has periods of super bad vertigo that happen years apart. there wasn't any definitive diagnosis, but the doctors think it may have been caused by a virus. i remember thinking that maybe i had a virus that caused the cysts. antibiotics don't work for viruses. the last time my husband got vertigo, i wasn't long after eating some raw meat. i though there might be a connection. this is a little bit of a stab in the dark, but how are your food sources? are you cooking everything thoroughly?

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on May 31, 2010
at 03:21 AM

My recommendation strongly aligns with the opinion of your primary physician. You are a terribly sick individual and you must learn to live with your countless ailments instead of incessantly complain. The Paleolithic forged healthy and strong human beings and eliminated the disease prone and weak from the gene pool. Yes, you unnecessarily give that wonderful era a bad name.

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on May 31, 2010
at 04:01 AM

I agree with Ed. If you're serious, it's more than harsh. If you're joking, add the appropriate emoticon.

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(11488)

on May 31, 2010
at 03:33 AM

Are you joking? With an answer that harsh, you may want to throw in an emoticon.

E34fbfa1bca9ae970c9c7313bf9de9f8

(1436)

on August 19, 2011
at 03:41 PM

I lol'd........

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