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Are flu shots necessary if living paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 17, 2010 at 2:23 PM

I'm 68 years old and have been faithfully getting flu shots for years including getting one shot last year for swine and a second for seasonal flu. It is that time of year, but this year I am seriously considering not getting the shot which will cover three different flus. I don't trust the process of making the serum or that taking a shot that covers three different flus will be helpful. What do others on this blog think about taking flu shots?

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on February 03, 2012
at 04:04 PM

Also, best answer. For sure. When you are eating a diet based on your skepticism of looking at the science, it makes sense to apply that to the rest of your life. Vaccines get the gold seal.

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on February 03, 2012
at 03:48 PM

Efficacy is inherently limited but not as much as the media outlets and colloquially speaking doctors make it out to be- at the very least, flu shots decrease the chances of mutation in a population as a whole, seeing as the virus is less likely to get in cells in the first place. If more people got the flu vaccine in a population, you would see less mutation on the whole, and the efficacy would increase.

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on October 27, 2011
at 12:10 PM

i LOVE this answer.

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on June 01, 2011
at 04:34 PM

Pre-industrialized areas are always more susceptible to diseases brought to them from industrialized areas, for example the smallpox introduced to American Indians by the settlers had disastrous effects. This is most likely due to the culture never having built up an immunity to the disease or anything like it, rather than diet. Read the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" for more info.

Deca3d3cb4fa349be861f38f2746c996

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on November 05, 2010
at 09:35 PM

Adding another vote, from personal experience, against having a nicked nerve while receiving a shot of dubious value.

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on October 10, 2010
at 08:15 PM

New strains do frequently arise however it usually takes at least untill the next flu season for the new strain to spread around and become the predominant type. Virologists monitor emerging strains and this gives them the chance to predict the viruses circulating the following year. During a single flu season most cases of flu will be caused by 1 or 2 strains that do not vary all that much.

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on October 10, 2010
at 08:02 PM

H1N1 got attention because it seemed to affect younger apparently healthy people far more severely than previous recent iterations of influenza. It was dramatic to witness young people go into respiratory collapse in a matter hours. I live in a community where there were deaths. I am a healthcare clinician working with the immune compromised & am mandated to be innoculated annually. I could do paperwork to avoid it, but believe my being vaccinated protects others. I get sick very rarely & attribute this to the benefits of adequate sleep & relentless optimism, as much as paleo diet or flu shot

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on October 09, 2010
at 11:30 PM

I think it is a safe assumption to assume that "the flu" actually mutates during the "flu season", no? So, if this is true -- isn't a flu shot aiming at a moving target? Ergo, it's efficacy is inherently limited.

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on September 18, 2010
at 10:37 PM

I don't compile a list of data I've read on most subjects. I just keep reading and listening and thinking until I feel comfortable with a decision, then I move on. Sorry.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 18, 2010
at 05:10 AM

I also think D from the sun is preferred. However, some live in areas where they can't get enough sun due to insufficient UVB in their location. For those, I think supplements are better than nothing. Interestingly I have a friend who gets a skin rash in all areas of skin that do not get out in the sun often. Only sun exposure cures the rash and only in the places that it touches. Is that not interesting or what! Makes me curious what exactly is happening there...

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 18, 2010
at 05:04 AM

I'd like to see some good evidence that flu shots protect against influenza..

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 18, 2010
at 05:03 AM

I agree. In fact, looks like you linked the exact same article as me!

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 18, 2010
at 05:02 AM

I would take the shot if there was any evidence it actually worked and without side effects. To me, it's not about vit D and natural immunity, it's about if the flu shot actually works as marketed.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 18, 2010
at 04:59 AM

Well in the past, I might have agreed that he elderly might be better off getting the shot, but then I saw that bit of research that there is no evidence that flu shots help in any way with amount of sickness, likelihood of death, liklihood of getting sick, etc, not even in the elderly. So why get the shot? In fact, epidemiological studies find a link between liklihood of getting alzheimers and amount of flu shots you get. So! There is a chance that flu shots may do more harm than good. Seeing the damage that shots do in pets, this would not surprise me.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 18, 2010
at 04:55 AM

What data made you in favor of the flu shots? Because I was on the fence at first, but the more I researched, the more I became against them.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 18, 2010
at 04:53 AM

I gave blood a while back and the blood bank technician slipped and nicked a nerve. Gaah did that really really hurt! I went into shock for a while. And it hurt all day. I couldn't bend my arm or jostle it without some pretty strong pain. It really sucks when they hit a nerve. Didn't know that could also happen with shots!

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on September 18, 2010
at 04:09 AM

Glenn, those are fantastic observations. Most humans (except perhaps VERY very fair skinned) have evolved with near constant UV radiation around the equator and thus our organs are geared and primed for vitamin D via natural sun exposure on skin, whereas those who evolved in a higher latitude location probably obtained during winters vitamin D from other sources (grub, animal livers/fat/brains, salmon, fish, etc). When I go running the skin of thighs get firm where the sun has exposed whereas the whiter areas above the hem of my running shorts is paler, squisher, not as noticeably TIGHT.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on September 18, 2010
at 04:02 AM

I have perfect vitamin D and I'm paleo (not perfect unless you count beer and white rice *ha*) and yes I also still get sick but this is probably because I'm slightly low thyroid still.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on September 18, 2010
at 04:00 AM

Gluten and grains make us ill for a variety of reasons. the phytates in whole grains and legumes and nuts bind ZINC which is a very important co factor for many proteins in our immune system.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on September 18, 2010
at 03:58 AM

get a vit D level and a good protective level is considered 60 to 70 ng/ml for the great majority ... probiotics protect the immune system too. Ancient man ate probiotics... it was called DIRT. (and cheese, kefir, fermented rice/soy/miso, fish sauce, Inuit fermented elk belly, sauerkraut, kimchee, etc)

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on September 18, 2010
at 03:55 AM

Eva, I dig ur response.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on September 18, 2010
at 01:01 AM

Flu and asthma are not a good combination. Dangerous job being a teacher :)

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on September 18, 2010
at 12:32 AM

Great argument.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on September 17, 2010
at 10:44 PM

Good point to make, some people seem to think diet can be a panacea against all ill health.

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on September 17, 2010
at 09:35 PM

Dr. Harris is my favorite guide. I always look forward to his next post. I have been skeptical about the value of vitamin D because it has been such a hot topic in the last year or so. I thought everything to know about Vitamin D should be public knowledge by know. Earlier promoters of D were also manufacturing the tablets I believe. Then along comes Dr. Harris and my new understanding of Vitamin D3. I'll be taking it come winter. Flu shot? Not likely

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

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on September 17, 2010
at 09:31 PM

I took myself off 10 milligrams of statin on April 1, 2010. Although I have had high cholosterol (325) in the past when I went off statins, my HDl is 80. I've found that I have had little hay fever this year when I used to suffer from it. I feel great on paleo. I feel that I am fit. Flu does suck, but I think I can take it on. I just hope I don't have to. I'm vaccinated against shingles and pnuemonia and have had many flus shots over the years. I'll let you know what hapens.

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

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on September 17, 2010
at 09:23 PM

Last year when I got flu shots at the County Board of Health, the nurse who gave me the shot got her own shot at her Dr's office and it was administered by an unskilled person and she suffered terribly from the shot hitting a nerve. Even if I belive that the shot lessens symptoms of the flu, I just don't trust the process this year. Thank you for your response.

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on September 17, 2010
at 09:03 PM

One addition for emphasis - my NON-paleo, wheat-eating, husband who got a flu shot too took care of me and my full-blown case for 5 solid days and DID NOT get sick. I guess that's what they call "anecdotal evidence"?

E7a462d6e99fec7e8f0ddda11b34a770

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on September 17, 2010
at 08:56 PM

FWIW - been supplementing Vitamin D for 2yrs and my last level was over 50 somewhere so I'm good. Got the H1N1 shot last year but my doc says I must have been exposed w/in the week before (you need couple of days for full immunity). Following week I was COMPLETELY bed-ridden for 5 full days and totally whipped for another month. Haven't been THAT sick since the last swine flu in the '80's. And no, it wasn't the shot that gave it to me because my husband got his same day w/no problems AND he didn't catch anything from me since HIS shot kicked in before I got sick. So, I'm gettin' mine fo' sure.

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on September 17, 2010
at 08:40 PM

I haven't had one in years. I used to get them every year because I had asthma and my doctor warned me I could be in a lot of trouble if I didn't. But now I don't have asthma either :)

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on September 17, 2010
at 05:39 PM

Definition of Mr. Perfect Paleo is left as an exercise for the reader. :-)

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on September 17, 2010
at 05:05 PM

Great question, I was wondering about the flu shots this year for myself as well.

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on September 17, 2010
at 03:20 PM

that said, I am 30 yrs old in great shape hitting all the good numbers on my blood tests etc. So at 68 I might be more cautious. If you are in vibrant health without complications or an impaired immune function skipping the flu shot might be an option, but the flu can be a serious thing for the older crowd. Paleo is certainly a great step in the right direction for a healthy life though and I think it puts you well ahead of the general population that the doctors worry about with the flu.

691f120a3e7a1a036845d105d86c99a3

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on September 17, 2010
at 03:07 PM

loin cloth, hunts own food, beard. you know, perfect paleo.

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on September 17, 2010
at 02:53 PM

Define perfect paleo please

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on September 17, 2010
at 02:43 PM

Keep in mind, this is opinion not medical advice. Do not risk your health based solely upon opinion

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62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 17, 2010
at 07:22 PM

IMO, the answer is NO.

I have experimented with getting flu shots and not getting them. I noticed no difference at all in health levels either way. I suspect the benefits of flu shots are minimal Flus are constantly mutating and by the time they manufacture the flu shots, most of the current flus have already mutated away from what the shot protects against. Also, some research suggests no sickness reduction from flu shots. Here is a link that explains it better: http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa011604a.htm

Also to consider, flu shots have side effects. SOme people experience an immune response and signs of sickness from shots.

Another thing, research in pets show that vaccinations actually make them more likely to be sick. Vet visits in the month after vaccinations are much higher than normal. Cats sometimes develop malignant cancer at the location of vaccines and this cancer has been directly linked to vaccines. Some pets die from negative reactions to vaccines. I know one who died and I've seen my own cats have very bad weird psychological behavior after vaccines. Sickness due to vaccines is called vaccinosis. Vaccines are not totally safe in animals and while side effects may be less obvious in humans, I do not feel they are likely totally safe in humans either. Here is a link discussing some possible healthy concerns for humans and some links with alzheimers: http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/475564.aspx Here is another discussing lack of scientific evidence that flu vaccines have any benefits for lessening sickness: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1967306,00.html

I would rather eat and live healthy and trust my immune system than to trust big Pharma's expensive flu shots. I will only take shots for diseases that are often dangerous and for which shots have some kind of evidence for actually working. I no longer get shots with proven side effects but no proven record of actually doing any thing good.

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on September 17, 2010
at 09:23 PM

Last year when I got flu shots at the County Board of Health, the nurse who gave me the shot got her own shot at her Dr's office and it was administered by an unskilled person and she suffered terribly from the shot hitting a nerve. Even if I belive that the shot lessens symptoms of the flu, I just don't trust the process this year. Thank you for your response.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on September 18, 2010
at 04:53 AM

I gave blood a while back and the blood bank technician slipped and nicked a nerve. Gaah did that really really hurt! I went into shock for a while. And it hurt all day. I couldn't bend my arm or jostle it without some pretty strong pain. It really sucks when they hit a nerve. Didn't know that could also happen with shots!

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on September 18, 2010
at 03:55 AM

Eva, I dig ur response.

Deca3d3cb4fa349be861f38f2746c996

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on November 05, 2010
at 09:35 PM

Adding another vote, from personal experience, against having a nicked nerve while receiving a shot of dubious value.

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0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on September 17, 2010
at 11:37 PM

I'd like to see some good evidence that a paleo diet will protect agains influenza infection. The most famous flu pandemic of 1918 severly affected many aboriginal communities, often harder than industrialised populations.

In 1918 the influenza pandemic reached the small isolated Inuit village of Brevig Mission on the Seward Peninsula of Alaska. The popluation of the village was 80 people when the virus arived, 5 days latter 72 of them had died from the flu. Only 8 members of the village survived the pandemic (link). Similar stories of 1918 are found from Iniut communities, many of which were decimated, right across the arctic (link).

In the islands of the Pacific the 1918 influenza also hit hard. In Western Samoa the virus killed 30% of adult men, 22% of women and 10% of all children (link). Other islands also suffered high death rates. These people probably got plenty of vitamin D and stil ate a traditional polynesian diet at the time.

While there are other reasons why these isolated groups can be more at risk from epidemics I do not see any evidence that these peoples diet protected them in any way.

There are good arguments for and against flu vaccines for different groups in the population however I don't see diet as one of them.

For anyone who thinks human nutrition and metabolism is complicated they should try studying immunology and epidemiology. Working out the effectiveness of the flu vaccine is a difficult task as it does not provide 100% protection and most people do not get the flu anyway in non-epidemic years. The current vaccine also varies each year as virologists try to predict which strain of flu will be the most common next year, they usually get it right but not always. The CDC has a good overview on Flu Vaccine Effectiveness. It is important to remember than even a 30% reduction in risk of catching the flu can have a large impact over the whole population.

Unfortunately the vaccine is least protective in those most vunerable to flu, over 65's and very young children due to their weaker immune function. There is more of a benefit in places like nursing homes when everyone is vaccinated. Efficacy of influenza vaccine in the elderly in welfare nursing homes.

I think there is benefit for adults with conditions such as asthma and front-line health care workers. It is also possible that the best way to protect vunerable elderly and babies is vaccinating young adults and school age children, who get most protection from the vaccine, and who are responsible for much of the spread of the virus. Seasonal Flu Shot Effectiveness.

I can't really give advice about whether to choose to have a flu shot or not. The evidence for flu vaccination is less certain than for most other vaccines.

Edit: Another interesting link from Science-Based Medicine - Flu Vaccine Efficacy.

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on September 18, 2010
at 12:32 AM

Great argument.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on September 18, 2010
at 05:04 AM

I'd like to see some good evidence that flu shots protect against influenza..

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 09, 2010
at 11:30 PM

I think it is a safe assumption to assume that "the flu" actually mutates during the "flu season", no? So, if this is true -- isn't a flu shot aiming at a moving target? Ergo, it's efficacy is inherently limited.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 10, 2010
at 08:15 PM

New strains do frequently arise however it usually takes at least untill the next flu season for the new strain to spread around and become the predominant type. Virologists monitor emerging strains and this gives them the chance to predict the viruses circulating the following year. During a single flu season most cases of flu will be caused by 1 or 2 strains that do not vary all that much.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on June 01, 2011
at 04:34 PM

Pre-industrialized areas are always more susceptible to diseases brought to them from industrialized areas, for example the smallpox introduced to American Indians by the settlers had disastrous effects. This is most likely due to the culture never having built up an immunity to the disease or anything like it, rather than diet. Read the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" for more info.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on February 03, 2012
at 04:04 PM

Also, best answer. For sure. When you are eating a diet based on your skepticism of looking at the science, it makes sense to apply that to the rest of your life. Vaccines get the gold seal.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on February 03, 2012
at 03:48 PM

Efficacy is inherently limited but not as much as the media outlets and colloquially speaking doctors make it out to be- at the very least, flu shots decrease the chances of mutation in a population as a whole, seeing as the virus is less likely to get in cells in the first place. If more people got the flu vaccine in a population, you would see less mutation on the whole, and the efficacy would increase.

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on September 17, 2010
at 04:40 PM

Paleo is no defense against viral infections. It may make our immune systems stronger because we aren't constantly challenging them with inflammatory foods, but nonetheless, when an unfamiliar virus comes along, it's likely to make us sick until our immune system can take charge and eliminate it.

Most modern diseases arose when agriculture allowed humans to live in dense communities. We can alter our diets and some other aspects of our lives to be as paleo as possible, but we are paleo people in a neo world. We are exposed to neo diseases, but our immune systems evolved prior to those diseases becoming a part of our normal lives.

I opt for the flu shot because getting the flu sucks.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on September 18, 2010
at 03:58 AM

get a vit D level and a good protective level is considered 60 to 70 ng/ml for the great majority ... probiotics protect the immune system too. Ancient man ate probiotics... it was called DIRT. (and cheese, kefir, fermented rice/soy/miso, fish sauce, Inuit fermented elk belly, sauerkraut, kimchee, etc)

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on September 17, 2010
at 10:44 PM

Good point to make, some people seem to think diet can be a panacea against all ill health.

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on September 17, 2010
at 03:16 PM

Robb Wolf's new book The Paleo Solution actually has a little blurb on H1N1 which caused so much hysteria last season. He says that epidemiology has shown that low Vitamin D is a risk factor for contracting H1N1 (and I am guessing all flu/colds). Epidemiologists found that 50ng/dl or higher appeared to decrease the chances of getting the flu. Also those with elevated Vitamin D who did get the flu were less likely to suffer the death-causing effects of the virus because they were more protected from inflammation. Guess what kind of diet helps protect you against inflammation?

Now is that an argument against getting a shot? I am not going to make that choice for you. There are risks associated with getting one and not getting one. I've chosen not to get them over the last couple years even before I was Paleo. I do think Paleo helps lesson the symptoms of a cold but I don't think its all powerful.

E7a462d6e99fec7e8f0ddda11b34a770

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on September 17, 2010
at 08:56 PM

FWIW - been supplementing Vitamin D for 2yrs and my last level was over 50 somewhere so I'm good. Got the H1N1 shot last year but my doc says I must have been exposed w/in the week before (you need couple of days for full immunity). Following week I was COMPLETELY bed-ridden for 5 full days and totally whipped for another month. Haven't been THAT sick since the last swine flu in the '80's. And no, it wasn't the shot that gave it to me because my husband got his same day w/no problems AND he didn't catch anything from me since HIS shot kicked in before I got sick. So, I'm gettin' mine fo' sure.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on September 18, 2010
at 04:59 AM

Well in the past, I might have agreed that he elderly might be better off getting the shot, but then I saw that bit of research that there is no evidence that flu shots help in any way with amount of sickness, likelihood of death, liklihood of getting sick, etc, not even in the elderly. So why get the shot? In fact, epidemiological studies find a link between liklihood of getting alzheimers and amount of flu shots you get. So! There is a chance that flu shots may do more harm than good. Seeing the damage that shots do in pets, this would not surprise me.

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on September 17, 2010
at 09:31 PM

I took myself off 10 milligrams of statin on April 1, 2010. Although I have had high cholosterol (325) in the past when I went off statins, my HDl is 80. I've found that I have had little hay fever this year when I used to suffer from it. I feel great on paleo. I feel that I am fit. Flu does suck, but I think I can take it on. I just hope I don't have to. I'm vaccinated against shingles and pnuemonia and have had many flus shots over the years. I'll let you know what hapens.

E7a462d6e99fec7e8f0ddda11b34a770

(1638)

on September 17, 2010
at 09:03 PM

One addition for emphasis - my NON-paleo, wheat-eating, husband who got a flu shot too took care of me and my full-blown case for 5 solid days and DID NOT get sick. I guess that's what they call "anecdotal evidence"?

691f120a3e7a1a036845d105d86c99a3

(3641)

on September 17, 2010
at 03:20 PM

that said, I am 30 yrs old in great shape hitting all the good numbers on my blood tests etc. So at 68 I might be more cautious. If you are in vibrant health without complications or an impaired immune function skipping the flu shot might be an option, but the flu can be a serious thing for the older crowd. Paleo is certainly a great step in the right direction for a healthy life though and I think it puts you well ahead of the general population that the doctors worry about with the flu.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on September 18, 2010
at 04:00 AM

Gluten and grains make us ill for a variety of reasons. the phytates in whole grains and legumes and nuts bind ZINC which is a very important co factor for many proteins in our immune system.

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on October 10, 2010
at 08:02 PM

H1N1 got attention because it seemed to affect younger apparently healthy people far more severely than previous recent iterations of influenza. It was dramatic to witness young people go into respiratory collapse in a matter hours. I live in a community where there were deaths. I am a healthcare clinician working with the immune compromised & am mandated to be innoculated annually. I could do paperwork to avoid it, but believe my being vaccinated protects others. I get sick very rarely & attribute this to the benefits of adequate sleep & relentless optimism, as much as paleo diet or flu shot

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on September 18, 2010
at 12:58 AM

I am happy to trust in the Paleo lifestyle. Fermented Cod liver oil (for Vit D) and Kakadu juice. Kakadu is a range of Australian native wild fruits, plus barley grass, goji, grape seed, etc. I have been reading all the info i could on vaccinations in general for quite a while now and for me, the evidence to take and trust vaccinations just don't add up. I don't feel the vaccine industry has come up with enough irrefutable evidence to trust my body to these foreign invaders. I also have enough faith in the nature of our bodies that it will deal with most problems with the right fuel. I treat vaccination just like i do vitamins, meaning that nature has many synergistic events occurring between the vitamins, antioxidants, and other components of just one fruit. How can a vaccination or bottled vitamin compete with that? Vitamin D is a classic example. I fell for the whole D supplementation.. i took if for a while, but i started to become curious when Shane Ellison, Dr. Harris, I think Mark Sisson too.. weren't too keen on taking a capsule. It appears according to Shane that supplemental Vit D was used to kill rodents and is toxic when taken long term. Again, when we get D from the Sun, we just don't get D3 or one component. We get a whole range of things. Like an earlier poster, i work in an office.. and i have watched for a couple of years now, all my colleagues fall victim to some flu, bug or virus. I may get a symptom, but it will last but a few hours. I'm more than happy with my lifestyle choice.. I'm afraid i just don't trust the white coat brigade any longer, i made the choice to take responsibility for my own health.. I believe i am reaping the rewards.

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on September 18, 2010
at 04:09 AM

Glenn, those are fantastic observations. Most humans (except perhaps VERY very fair skinned) have evolved with near constant UV radiation around the equator and thus our organs are geared and primed for vitamin D via natural sun exposure on skin, whereas those who evolved in a higher latitude location probably obtained during winters vitamin D from other sources (grub, animal livers/fat/brains, salmon, fish, etc). When I go running the skin of thighs get firm where the sun has exposed whereas the whiter areas above the hem of my running shorts is paler, squisher, not as noticeably TIGHT.

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on September 18, 2010
at 05:10 AM

I also think D from the sun is preferred. However, some live in areas where they can't get enough sun due to insufficient UVB in their location. For those, I think supplements are better than nothing. Interestingly I have a friend who gets a skin rash in all areas of skin that do not get out in the sun often. Only sun exposure cures the rash and only in the places that it touches. Is that not interesting or what! Makes me curious what exactly is happening there...

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on September 17, 2010
at 08:52 PM

Here's an interview with an infectious-disease specialist who says that the evidence is just not there, either way, so he remains a skeptic about the efficacy of flu shots, even for the elderly.

http://bit.ly/a8BIPT

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on September 18, 2010
at 05:03 AM

I agree. In fact, looks like you linked the exact same article as me!

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on October 09, 2010
at 06:59 PM

I have not gone to get flu shots since I was a teenager. Don't plan to ever get them again. Don't plan to give them to my kids. I plan to wait until my kids are off breast milk to get them the typical vaccines. But after that, we're eating mud for our vaccinations. Seriously.

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on October 27, 2011
at 12:10 PM

i LOVE this answer.

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on September 17, 2010
at 05:25 PM

Dr. Kurt Harris has written an article on this topic:

And here's one more focused on Vitamin D:

Personally, I will be passing on the flu shot again this year...

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on September 17, 2010
at 09:35 PM

Dr. Harris is my favorite guide. I always look forward to his next post. I have been skeptical about the value of vitamin D because it has been such a hot topic in the last year or so. I thought everything to know about Vitamin D should be public knowledge by know. Earlier promoters of D were also manufacturing the tablets I believe. Then along comes Dr. Harris and my new understanding of Vitamin D3. I'll be taking it come winter. Flu shot? Not likely

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on September 18, 2010
at 05:02 AM

I would take the shot if there was any evidence it actually worked and without side effects. To me, it's not about vit D and natural immunity, it's about if the flu shot actually works as marketed.

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on September 17, 2010
at 02:42 PM

I haven't been sick at all on this diet. I work in a closed environment of office cubicles and shared air with people who are regularly sick.

I do not get flu shots. I don't trust or believe in them

I'm so against Big Pharmacy I wouldn't dare give them a penny I didn't feel wasn't required for life continuance

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on September 17, 2010
at 02:43 PM

Keep in mind, this is opinion not medical advice. Do not risk your health based solely upon opinion

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on September 18, 2010
at 12:22 AM

I am planning on getting one. I have asthma and I don't think my immune system is all great and shiny yet... I am also a teacher, and the kids bring every possible virus and bacteria with them ;-) Viruses can get anyone, I simply don't want the experience...

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on September 18, 2010
at 01:01 AM

Flu and asthma are not a good combination. Dangerous job being a teacher :)

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on September 17, 2010
at 02:48 PM

You can totally get the flu even if you are Mr. Perfect Paleo and supplement with D3 like me. I think I had swine flu last October. It knocked me down for a few days but I recovered nicely. Even though I don't get flu shots, I'm in favor of them after considering way too much data about it. :-)

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on September 18, 2010
at 04:02 AM

I have perfect vitamin D and I'm paleo (not perfect unless you count beer and white rice *ha*) and yes I also still get sick but this is probably because I'm slightly low thyroid still.

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on September 17, 2010
at 05:39 PM

Definition of Mr. Perfect Paleo is left as an exercise for the reader. :-)

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on September 17, 2010
at 02:53 PM

Define perfect paleo please

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(3641)

on September 17, 2010
at 03:07 PM

loin cloth, hunts own food, beard. you know, perfect paleo.

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on September 18, 2010
at 10:37 PM

I don't compile a list of data I've read on most subjects. I just keep reading and listening and thinking until I feel comfortable with a decision, then I move on. Sorry.

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on September 18, 2010
at 04:55 AM

What data made you in favor of the flu shots? Because I was on the fence at first, but the more I researched, the more I became against them.

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on September 17, 2010
at 02:33 PM

Depends on how serious the consequences would be for you. I get asthma, and have developed pneumonia quite often because of flu and am out for two weeks to a month. So for the last few years I've been getting shots religiously. That was a pretty good decision then.

However since I changed my diet, I'm missing a lot of colds that have been going around. And what's more, because of logistics and money problems in my country, I got the swine flu before I got the shot, and I didn't get any complications. So maybe I'm off getting shots now.

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