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Paleo without vegetables?

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Created September 18, 2012 at 1:46 AM

I dont like most green leafy vegetables because they are bitter and dont satiate me,unless they are drenched in olive or avocado oil. Plus they cost too much. Too expensive for not much caloric return. The only veggies i like are mostly dense crucifers like broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, brussel sprouts and i'll probably eat those like 2 or 3 times a week. Can you be paleo with limited vegetable consumption? The bulk of my calories are animals and starches. I personally have always though that fruits and vegetables are way overrated. Can you thrive and be optimal eating small amounts of veggies?

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on September 18, 2012
at 09:24 PM

I agree. Veggies may be quite good, but I highly doubt they are needed in copious amounts. A cup or so of fermented veggies and maybe one other serving a day should be more than enough in my book.

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on September 18, 2012
at 03:00 PM

@Matt - Name one that has any significant benefit to health that would warrant someone eating a food they don't like? Man, was everyone on this site beaten by their momma for not eating their veggies? Lots of cultures don't eat salad. Sheesh Plenty of planty-type chemicals in cruciferous veggies, onions, peppers and other non-bitter, non-nasty plants.

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on September 18, 2012
at 10:29 AM

@LikesLardinMayo, phytochemicals, who knows how many. That's what you're missing when you exclude greens.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 18, 2012
at 04:35 AM

I've tried to like greens but I really don't. I'll eat mixed veggie slaws, kraut, and stir frys but greens are really pretty gross. Except seaweed. I LOVE Seaweed.

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on September 18, 2012
at 04:01 AM

me too here, I don't like dark leafy greens. The only salad (consisting of tomato and cucumber with lettuce) I like is drenched in olive oil mixed with avocado and sardines. I mainly eat it to give people who eat salads often (vegans and the whatnot) a heart attack on how unhealthy it looks based on fat content. :)

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on September 18, 2012
at 03:55 AM

Also, I had seared filet mignon sushi style, and raw kibbeh (lebanese raw ground beef plate) love it all. I just don't understand why I trust when others prepare the raw meat, rather than trust myself when I prepare it know very well the farm from where it came (I even go to toured the farm, and go to see my food, I mean cows....healthy and roaming the grasslands with tons of free pasture) You'd think I be more comfortable eating something I prepare myself.

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

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at 03:53 AM

really? When I was younger, nothing more than a novice chef (yea right I could burn water) mother left me a huge piece of filet mignon. She told me to cook it rare and leave it pink on the inside, so I cooked it... and thought it was still pink but what in actually I did was seared the very outside and left the center completely raw. I was woofing it down thinking to myself this is the best steak ever, mom came home, she saw the steak and said it completely raw inside, she "fixed it" and then I didn't enjoy it as much

06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on September 18, 2012
at 03:25 AM

Yeap, I DREAM about giant plates of bacon! I can't say the same for a spinach salad.

5c9fda2bd0018516806bba200a93f6fa

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on September 18, 2012
at 03:09 AM

I tried raw meat..............once. Never again i said. I'll take my meat rare, please :)

5c9fda2bd0018516806bba200a93f6fa

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at 03:08 AM

I'm starting to like you more and more LikesLardinMayo, youre alright

51c66d8a6f3005628535a50a950b1c61

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on September 18, 2012
at 02:10 AM

I'd say you're set then :)

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on September 18, 2012
at 02:09 AM

Also, nothing in greens you can't get from a meat, seafood, yam and taro -type diet. Over rated. Seriously if you love 'em that's cool, eat up. Don't pretend like you have to have 'em or you'll die cause that's just untrue.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 18, 2012
at 02:08 AM

Super-tasters don't like greens, regardless of how they are cooked. They have the several orders of magnitude better sense of taste when it comes to bitter. Interestingly they are also more sensitive to negative effects of those chemicals. Don't assume everyone is like you. Lots of different pheno-types out there.

5c9fda2bd0018516806bba200a93f6fa

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on September 18, 2012
at 02:04 AM

Why eat things you don't like, right? Even if they are healthy and good for you.

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at 02:02 AM

I meant safe starches, megan. Sweet taters, yams, white yams, a little bit of plantains and some cassava. I love dense starchy vegetables, they are more filling and taste better than most non starchy veggies. I do love steamed crucifers, though.

5c9fda2bd0018516806bba200a93f6fa

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on September 18, 2012
at 01:59 AM

Oh yeah! Animal flesh, that's what im talking about, baby!

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on September 18, 2012
at 01:58 AM

Yes .

5c9fda2bd0018516806bba200a93f6fa

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at 01:57 AM

Bleh.. I guess i'll force down the spinach and kale :)

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at 01:56 AM

Haha, trying cooking those greens in bacon and see if they are still bitter and nasty!

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on September 18, 2012
at 02:47 AM

You can survive veggie free, though I'm sure that's not optimal. Plants have a lot of goodies in them that animals don't, and not just vitamins/minerals identified as essential.

Not to mention it's rather unnatural, humans evolved eating plant and animal foods.

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on September 18, 2012
at 06:01 AM

Veggies are overrated...use sparingly and/or to feed your chickens. Try fermenting things to get the most out of those you do enjoy, like carrots and cabbage. If you eat other nutrient dense foods like egg yolk, saturated (animal) fats, bone marrow, maybe organs (although I can't stomach them), then you'll be fine.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on September 18, 2012
at 09:24 PM

I agree. Veggies may be quite good, but I highly doubt they are needed in copious amounts. A cup or so of fermented veggies and maybe one other serving a day should be more than enough in my book.

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51c66d8a6f3005628535a50a950b1c61

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on September 18, 2012
at 01:53 AM

Please do a search on VLC ,ZC, zero carb, etc. I know that some people do seem to thrive on primarily meat. I think those that do strive to eat a really varied array of meats, and recommend including offal as well.

When you say the bulk of your calories are animal and starches...what are your starches? If they are tubers, etc. you can get a good bit of vitamins and nutrients from those. If the starches are grains, that's counter to paleo...

51c66d8a6f3005628535a50a950b1c61

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on September 18, 2012
at 02:10 AM

I'd say you're set then :)

5c9fda2bd0018516806bba200a93f6fa

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on September 18, 2012
at 02:02 AM

I meant safe starches, megan. Sweet taters, yams, white yams, a little bit of plantains and some cassava. I love dense starchy vegetables, they are more filling and taste better than most non starchy veggies. I do love steamed crucifers, though.

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05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

on September 18, 2012
at 03:03 AM

I am right with you there, I don't like vegetables unless they are floating in a soup of grass fed fat :D

Anyway that being said I chose the most nutrient dense vegetables (collard greens, and kale) and chose those to be what I eat figuring i can get buy with less vegetables sticking to that than if I eat other vegetables with a inferior nutritional profile.

Curious though poking through Raw Paleo Diet Forum and kind of browsing around Raw Paleo Diet Website I see that most people there eat mostly raw meat and a handful of wild fruit

Also a Famous person in Raw Paleo who has an amazing story Lex Rooker consumes zero carbs and is in amazing health, this is someone whose health was in shambles! But I wonder if eating meat raw (which I want to do but I am too much of a pansy to go through and do it) gives us a different nutritional profile?

Yes I have weighed the risk of e. coli 0157, parasites, when considering this bold move, though I love sashimi...

5c9fda2bd0018516806bba200a93f6fa

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on September 18, 2012
at 03:09 AM

I tried raw meat..............once. Never again i said. I'll take my meat rare, please :)

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

(795)

on September 18, 2012
at 03:53 AM

really? When I was younger, nothing more than a novice chef (yea right I could burn water) mother left me a huge piece of filet mignon. She told me to cook it rare and leave it pink on the inside, so I cooked it... and thought it was still pink but what in actually I did was seared the very outside and left the center completely raw. I was woofing it down thinking to myself this is the best steak ever, mom came home, she saw the steak and said it completely raw inside, she "fixed it" and then I didn't enjoy it as much

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

(795)

on September 18, 2012
at 03:55 AM

Also, I had seared filet mignon sushi style, and raw kibbeh (lebanese raw ground beef plate) love it all. I just don't understand why I trust when others prepare the raw meat, rather than trust myself when I prepare it know very well the farm from where it came (I even go to toured the farm, and go to see my food, I mean cows....healthy and roaming the grasslands with tons of free pasture) You'd think I be more comfortable eating something I prepare myself.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 18, 2012
at 01:54 AM

Eat the veggies you like, in the quantity you like.

If you prefer things like carrots, yams, beats and taters do those instead. Absolutely nothing wrong with a those instead of the gross, bitter, nasty greens.

5c9fda2bd0018516806bba200a93f6fa

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on September 18, 2012
at 03:08 AM

I'm starting to like you more and more LikesLardinMayo, youre alright

5c9fda2bd0018516806bba200a93f6fa

(608)

on September 18, 2012
at 02:04 AM

Why eat things you don't like, right? Even if they are healthy and good for you.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 18, 2012
at 04:35 AM

I've tried to like greens but I really don't. I'll eat mixed veggie slaws, kraut, and stir frys but greens are really pretty gross. Except seaweed. I LOVE Seaweed.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 18, 2012
at 02:09 AM

Also, nothing in greens you can't get from a meat, seafood, yam and taro -type diet. Over rated. Seriously if you love 'em that's cool, eat up. Don't pretend like you have to have 'em or you'll die cause that's just untrue.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 18, 2012
at 02:08 AM

Super-tasters don't like greens, regardless of how they are cooked. They have the several orders of magnitude better sense of taste when it comes to bitter. Interestingly they are also more sensitive to negative effects of those chemicals. Don't assume everyone is like you. Lots of different pheno-types out there.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on September 18, 2012
at 01:56 AM

Haha, trying cooking those greens in bacon and see if they are still bitter and nasty!

7278560e76901ded4081022b54c6e165

on September 18, 2012
at 04:01 AM

me too here, I don't like dark leafy greens. The only salad (consisting of tomato and cucumber with lettuce) I like is drenched in olive oil mixed with avocado and sardines. I mainly eat it to give people who eat salads often (vegans and the whatnot) a heart attack on how unhealthy it looks based on fat content. :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 18, 2012
at 03:00 PM

@Matt - Name one that has any significant benefit to health that would warrant someone eating a food they don't like? Man, was everyone on this site beaten by their momma for not eating their veggies? Lots of cultures don't eat salad. Sheesh Plenty of planty-type chemicals in cruciferous veggies, onions, peppers and other non-bitter, non-nasty plants.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on September 18, 2012
at 10:29 AM

@LikesLardinMayo, phytochemicals, who knows how many. That's what you're missing when you exclude greens.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on September 18, 2012
at 01:52 AM

Fruits and vegetables are in our diet for the vitamins, minerals and other nutrients that we don't get from other sources.

Leafy Greens: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-you-should-eat-leafy-greens/#axzz26mXcLiCs How to eat more veggies: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-eat-more-vegetables/#axzz26mXNefqV

To answer your question, if you define paleo as eating for health, then I do not believe you can "be paleo" without vegetables. If you define paleo as not eating grains, then sure.

5c9fda2bd0018516806bba200a93f6fa

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on September 18, 2012
at 01:57 AM

Bleh.. I guess i'll force down the spinach and kale :)

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06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on September 18, 2012
at 01:51 AM

I typically consume what I would call a "side" portion of vegetables with every meal (spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, etc.). Sometimes I'll mix it up a little bit, but the star of the show for me is the protein/fat course (beef, organ meat, chicken, pork, etc.).

-Matt
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06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on September 18, 2012
at 03:25 AM

Yeap, I DREAM about giant plates of bacon! I can't say the same for a spinach salad.

5c9fda2bd0018516806bba200a93f6fa

(608)

on September 18, 2012
at 01:59 AM

Oh yeah! Animal flesh, that's what im talking about, baby!

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on September 18, 2012
at 12:23 PM

I think any vegetable tastes better roasted...Obviously you can't do that with the leafy greens, but spagetti squash is one that is ridiculously good roasted...Asparagus, too...

Have you tried stirfries? When I make one, my last step is a handful of spinach on top, let it cook just long enough to get wilted...It makes the stirfry IMHO

Maybe a sausage and kale soup?

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