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Fat with veggies?

Commented on February 22, 2014
Created February 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM

I've heard you need fats to properly absorb a lot of the vitamins in vegetables. I personally eat veggies sometimes as snacks between meals -- with no fat. Would it be wise to try to include some fats with this?

Interested in what amount of fat you would need to consume; I've seen it mentioned that even the amount of fat in the gelatin caps that vitamin A come in where enough to get it into the body. So would I just need a drop? A teaspoon? A tablespoon? A cup?!? ^^

E.G. For example could I just eat a single almond with my veggies, or would I have to eat much more.

Also interested in proximity time wise consumption can be:

E.G. Could I consume something fatty an hour earlier and still get the absorption benefits? Or an hour after? Or 15 minutes? Ect...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 22, 2014
at 04:17 PM

tHESE POINTS ARE IN ANY CASE are against strawmen that in the main you've wilfifully created. The anger, frustraion, need to project as you are, even if means selectively quoting, being abusive... all this indicates you might need some help... I repeat my suggestion to read some colpo... Maybe it is some sort of hypoglycamia resulting from your body's response to teh low carb thing... Why not devote that consdierable zeal of yours towards getting to to bottom of just why you are so neeing to project as you are here...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 22, 2014
at 04:13 PM

Really now, where did I say that? Your reading skills (and communication skills) really aren't that great are they? Seriously dude, save the machismo and rabid competitvseness for your own time, as will be clear by now i am not interested in behaving as you are. What you are saying and how you're saying does nothing much but obfuscate any 'points' you seemingly need to make for yourself...

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on February 21, 2014
at 03:21 PM

@daz you make a valid point, what I was trying to get at was what mechanisms promote the process of fatty acid synthesis which leads to fat gain (and the analogous weight gain). The key mechanisms involved in this process include insulin and glucose. People on zero carb diets are not in any risk of dying and withering away any time soon because although they consume minimal carbs, they still consume protein, which does have the ability to raise insulin levels and provide an indirect source of glucose via gluconeogenesis. If protein was removed then they would surely wither away and die.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 21, 2014
at 02:44 PM

Why the thank you? Simple, because manley0702 actually stayed on topic. You should try it.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 21, 2014
at 02:41 PM

@manley0702 Yes, this is exactly what I've been trying to say for the last 20 comments.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 21, 2014
at 02:37 PM

The only irrational arguments are coming from you. This is not about personal bullshit like you are turning it into. If you want to troll with ignorance go somewhere else. All I ask for is someone to bring up valid points regarding the subject at hand and discuss them logically. You are just trolling on here instead of providing anything valuable to the discussion.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 21, 2014
at 02:34 PM

Asking for objective evidence is pathological? Really? As an engineer, I value objective data over made up claims. Once again, you turn this into a personal argument about my character instead of discussing the issue at hand, this is a clear sign that you have lost the discussion.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 21, 2014
at 02:30 PM

The burden of proof is on he who makes the statement, since you make the unsubstantiated statements the burden of proof is on you. That's how science works. It's pathetic the best you can do is point to a 4 word google search. Is this what you call "engaging"?

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 21, 2014
at 02:02 PM

I guess this would imply that olive oil, butter, lard, and other fats which are primarily long chain palmitic, stearic, oleic, or a mixture of all three would be preferable for bile acid release.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 21, 2014
at 02:00 PM

Wow, it seems you are correct in you hypothesis. I did some research and found this study: Comparison of the effects of medium and long chain triglyceride containing liquid meals on gall bladder and small intestinal function in normal man. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1432336/) It goes on to demonstrate that indeed long-chain fatty acids stimulate greater bile acid release than medium chain fatty acids.

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on February 21, 2014
at 01:19 PM

Righto and fat consumption induces bile salt production. Now, because coconut oil is so high in MCTs that don't require bile salts for absorption, does that mean it also does not induce bile salt secretion following a meal? Perhaps making coconut oil less useful in extracting vitamins from veggies.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 21, 2014
at 05:38 AM

@ daz - that question was asked by gastronomer in another context... Anyway in my udnerstanding/conventoianl language storing fat doesn't eaqual gaining fat (the latter implying weight gain...). My preusmption is roughly same as yours, pending further/renewed resrach. 'acylation stimulating protein' has a role in fat being stored in a low insulin context (an where there is enough glucose around asp will help in stimuling insulin too..)...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 21, 2014
at 05:10 AM

Maybe not so much..... but likely there are factors there that neither of us or anyone but him might know or like to know... And are beyond my scope for wanting to give attentiont o right now...Def see where oyu are coming from though, i appreciate the civil engagement, clarifications, questinoing, expositions etc..., even while we might not agree on anything of everything (who knows... noe one does anyway lol we are all our own ppl...)

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 21, 2014
at 05:09 AM

My assumption which i certainly could have made clearer was that their diet was not vlc. I had been reading other thread and material at the time and it was a lax of me not to treat this on its merits, certainly (i don't know what the op eats beyond these snacks...).

Justifcatino for confusion? Maybe. For zealous, agressive, strawman and slective quoting, inchriatabile, noncomprehensive reading and arguing etc as i've already suggested...?

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 21, 2014
at 05:08 AM

Sure... I see where you're coming from, and essentially we agree i think... I could have expressed myself more clearly/ with less ambiguity to a degreee, which might have created conditions that would see someone la willing party lash out/onto it for some reason... But it's been fun and educational to a degree for me, so no problem.

What I said in that quote was about fat being added to a diet extra-caloricically l(ie on top of snacks that already exist without intake in other areas being changed) probably engendering the person gaining weight/making gain potenital and likely.

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on February 21, 2014
at 05:04 AM

someone above wrote "Fat in the absence of carbohydrates doesn't cause weight gain. How does the body store fat?..."

I don't know 'how the body stores fat', but it must be able to store fat (fatty acids) in the absence of carbohydrates, otherwise people on Zero Carb diets would die...?

I would presume that fat cells are able to release energy (fatty acids) and uptake energy (fatty acids) all the time, whether carbs are present in the diet or not. In fact, isn't that what 'being a fat burner' ('fat adapted') is all about.

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on February 21, 2014
at 03:59 AM

I think the confusion came in that you stated, "Fat likely will make you fat if you add it to low calorie vegetable snacks without compensating in other areas" which simply isn't true. Obviously, that wasn't the point of your post, but you said it, and he felt he had to respond.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 21, 2014
at 03:47 AM

It's been fun, anyway... Take care mate.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 21, 2014
at 03:44 AM

I encourage you to do as what works for you. As I will continue doing with/for myself… If that means you get angry, irrational in the comments, read with such overt bias, fine… That is for you…Know that it’s little to do with me – that I haven’t said much but to encourage you to not be so narrow in your projections, and to perhaps be a little more considering. Take it or leave it.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 21, 2014
at 03:44 AM

You are behaving a bull who’s seen a red rag. Pull your head in. I’m here to tell youmate– the rag is mainly in your head. It might be better for your heart and mental health to develop some skills related to reading comprehension, talking with people who aren’t perhaps having a similar worldview or opinions to your own, rather than lashing out as you are… Getting angry and projecting on the internet about this stuff as you are – that’s not very ‘strict paleo’/healthful, is it…?

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 21, 2014
at 03:43 AM

Faith? I have some in the ability of any person to learn, including and perhaps especially those who demonstrate some level of pathological behaviour, as you are doing. Subjectivity can't really be avoided in this discussion anyway (esp as it pertains to quotes being selected and used out of context to fuel rabid point making). This is you doing that, your needs being exhibited and channelled with zeal and aggression.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 21, 2014
at 03:43 AM

You are not the paleohacks police mate. i will continue engaging, questioning and answering in a sprit as I please and deem appropriate at any given time. as you too are welcome to do... if you have problems with that, contrary views, need to cling to a phantasmic notion that i'm making big claims here that need data to support, that's for you. (I won't repeat myself on this save for poiting you to a google search:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=improving+reading+comprehension+skills

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 21, 2014
at 03:42 AM

It is about you Gastronomer then...? Why the thank you?

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 21, 2014
at 03:41 AM

I think most here agree on this... The crucial point that Gastronmer obfuscated intially and conitnutally in this thread was the 'if all other calroies stay equal' part... Much ado about nothing much, really...

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on February 20, 2014
at 09:42 PM

It might also be worth noting that the bile salts are what allow these fats / fat-dissolved vitamins to be put to use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bile#Physiological_functions

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 08:30 PM

Thank you sir. Indeed, given the low glycemic and insulinemic effect of vegetables and fats, it would indeed be very difficult to gain weight on a diet where salad and olive oil are the primary caloric components.

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on February 20, 2014
at 08:08 PM

Actually gastronomer is right on this one. If you eat oils on your vegetables and all other calories you eat stay equal, you will NOT gain weight.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 07:52 PM

I don't expect people to believe me simply because of what I say, but by the evidence I provide, this is why I actually provide data to back up my claims. You don't provide any data, and expect people to believe you purely on faith. Now shut the fuck up and stop talking about me already, I'm not the subject of discussion here. Stay on topic. We were talking about salad and fat.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 07:43 PM

What? Sorry but I didn't understand half of what you wrote. Well whatever, all I'm saying is that if you're not going to provide any useful addition to this discussion, don't comment on my answers unless you have actual data or studies to prove your point.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 20, 2014
at 07:37 PM

Lol, thank you for the moral support. But this isn't a big bad wolf I am talking with here (however much he/she seemingly wants to blow at phantom houses...). Just someone who I think needs a little too much, for whatever reason, to prove to him/herself or others 'the truth'... The somewhat aggressive tone only adds to this...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 20, 2014
at 07:31 PM

Maybe in future you will be willing to learn a thing or two that is outside your conclusions... I'd suggest reading without the overt bias, for a start...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 20, 2014
at 07:31 PM

low insulin diet, that people will gain fat...? That the glycerol wouldn't run out after being priortised for other reas, with excess fats being excreted as kteones? I see... nowhere... I invite you to read, again, these posts and interpret with more accuracy and charity than your current mentality seemingly allows. Thanks for spurring me to check my sources re some things, even if I wasn't making an ypoints to do with them... I was interesting...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 20, 2014
at 07:30 PM

You don't mention the end of that sentence, or the context of the poster's diet, etc... Your tendency to selectively quote to 'get the facts out there' might indicate that you're trying just a bit to hard to make some sort of point here... But again, the point is really to do with anything I have said... Which, you're right, isn't a lot of substance in relation to what you have writtent. Because, and I say again for your benefit, you are mainly making straw men here and arguging for points that haven't much

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 07:20 PM

Agreed, veggies and olive oil in fresh salads or cooked veggies with butter is the best way to enjoy veggies. In addition to greater nutrient absorption, it has the added benefit of being much more filling and not leaving you hungry half an hour later.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on February 20, 2014
at 06:48 PM

Olive oil (or butter) with any veggie is one of the great dietary improvements in the Neolithic, together with food fermentation and various other food combinations. It is a time tested food combination, and is designed precisely to improve absorption of fat soluble vitamins. It has been built in since the Middle Ages, although not in sub-Saharan Africa and in other places with endemic fat deficiency.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 06:35 PM

I responded to the following statement "Fat likely will make you fat if you add it to low calorie vegetable snacks" which is contrary to a great deal of scientific evidence, which I have provided above. How does that make me "belligerent"? Unless you think calling out false information while pointing out the truth is "belligerent".

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on February 20, 2014
at 06:28 PM

No one is trying to attack your beliefs. You on the other hand are being fairly belligerent with your zealotry though.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 06:20 PM

New England Journal of Medicine, obese people placed on a low-carb diet with access to unlimited calories lost more weight than those placed on a calorie restricted low-fat diet: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022637.

What have you got?

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 06:16 PM

Haha! You're a funny kid. I noticed ignorance likes company, I'm sure that's why you're here for Michael :) Neither of you have been able to prove me wrong yet I'm "falling apart". You two are hilarious. Stay uneducated :D

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on February 20, 2014
at 06:11 PM

I'm here for moral support Michael 17, you're starting to fall apart! Stay strong.

:D

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 06:03 PM

What are you talking about? Could you reply just once with some actual substance? All you had to do was read the link I sent you and educate yourself or refute my claim with some evidence to the contrary. There was plenty of context, from a qualified source, in my link by the way, but you didn't read it now did you? Next time you comment, write something useful, for an example look at Matt 11's answer. I'm not trying to do anything other that get the facts out there, you need to calm down with the drama and stay on topic.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 20, 2014
at 05:30 PM

You make some good points I tihnk, but often they're without qualifcatino, nuance, lcontext, big picture, and not relating to anything another is saying... or equivocating as below about meaning of 'unlimited calories'., makign another statement that isn't really in relation to the oriignail... Why not start a blog? You seem pretty knowledgeble, fluent in some discourses, and can start original comments...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 20, 2014
at 05:30 PM

Refuse? Pretty negative language again... I already responded to similar sentiments, I won't repeat or rephrase here as you may not read the whole sentece or be think about teh big picture anyway...

Anyway, you can of course continute guessing as you wish... And, apparently, reading, thinking with your conclusion already in mind... Stating arugments that don't relate to anything I've said, obfucstating and indeed making fables about what I've written...

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on February 20, 2014
at 05:10 PM

It's not so much the type of food, but the nutrients it contains. So any food (veg,fruit,processed) that contains the fat-soluble vitamins A D E K2 will require fat to be absorbed...in theory. The only question is amount and time frame -- IMO.

TL:DR: Depends what nutrients that fruit contains.

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on February 20, 2014
at 04:45 PM

I understand your concern. I take carrots for snacks to playgrounds for kids and I can't imagine pouring oil over them. And my son doesn't like nuts and seeds.. I look forward to the answers to your question!

By the way.. What about fruits? Do they also need fat for absorption of nutrients?.. Just curious...

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 04:29 PM

+1 Now that is an awesome answer. Nicely done sir.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 04:28 PM

It is impossible to eat unlimited calories, all calories eaten are finite. Some calories make you gain more weight than others; fat calories makes you gain the least weight. It's quite simple.

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on February 20, 2014
at 04:27 PM

Usually like a handful of carrots/cucumber/celery, just something I can grab and go.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 04:26 PM

You make statements and refuse to prove them, that's all I'm saying. Guess you shouldn't be making them if you don't know what you're talking about. Here let me help you out: http://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/100426#SA2

Do yourself a favor and read it.

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on February 20, 2014
at 04:25 PM

Thanks, listening to the audio now.

Will consider just taking fish oil with my snacks...hmm. :D

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on February 20, 2014
at 04:24 PM

Not restricting fats. Just don't want to necessarily eat them with my snacks unless said snack has a fat built in.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 20, 2014
at 04:20 PM

seems it only you, and you are trying to position me like i need or want to prove something to you. you're asking me also to prove somehting i didn't say... Why are making strawmen? I think in your wanting me to prove somehting and in your behvaiour, tone, you might be indicating that you have somehting to prove here...I'm intrested what you think tha tmight be...?

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 20, 2014
at 04:20 PM

Again, I invite you to read again... This time a whole sentence, and in also in teh context of the poster and his/her post to which it was addressed. Perhaps last time you didn't read becauseyou reacted when you saw something that you could quote and 'prove' your point...?

If you take me as speking with authority, okay... A moment of intropsection, being self aware might lead you to consider that you are saying things like 'here's your chance to prove to 'us'... again, who's the us?

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on February 20, 2014
at 04:20 PM

Michael is right on this one as far as I know. You can't just eat unlimited calories.

Also...not salad.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 03:57 PM

You clearly said, and I quote verbatim "Fat likely will make you fat if you add it to low calorie vegetable snacks...". So don't deny it. Now please, do us the courtesy and elucidate the mechanisms through which the body "make[s] you fat" since you speak from such authority. Here's your chance to show us how much you know. And please cite some sources, like say...a physiology journal, heck even Wikipedia will do just fine. Just back it up with some actual physiology....

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 20, 2014
at 03:50 PM

That's not really anything to do with what I said... Maybe you should read again and think... Re your question - I don't really need to try adn demonstrate my dunerstadning to you here... or 'us' - who is it you're speaking for apart from yourself...?

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 03:41 PM

I understand, oil can get messy at times :) You can buy little extra virgin olive oil bottles that have like 80ml or so of olive oil for quite cheap (less than 2 bucks where I live). Then pour it on your salad once you're ready to eat it.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 03:38 PM

Fat in the absence of carbohydrates doesn't cause weight gain How does the body store fat? Do you even know? Please enlighten us...explain the mechanism of fatty acid absorption and fatty acid synthesis.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 20, 2014
at 03:06 PM

Fat likely will make you fat if you add it to low calorie vegetable snacks without compensating in other areas... Eating more than needed for maintenance is a factor udnerpinning weight gain... But what's this thread got to do with weight gain/loss anyway...? he/she is aksing about what's needed for nutrient assimlation...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 20, 2014
at 03:02 PM

What sort of veggies do you eat between meals...?

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on February 20, 2014
at 02:55 PM

Not exactly my worry. It's more of a convenience thing...I was just happening to eat them as snacks, don't really want to walk around carrying a fist-full of carrots,cucumber,celery soaking wet with butter or olive oil if I don't have to.

Just looking for the best solution that augments my current practices as little as possible. On meals I do what you prescribe. :)

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Damn character limits always prevent me from being snide. >.<

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on February 20, 2014
at 08:40 PM

I love veggies with butter. They taste so much better and it is nutriious.

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on February 20, 2014
at 04:30 PM

Follow this story and the links, it might provide some answers although I think an exact number will be hard to find.

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on February 20, 2014
at 04:20 PM

What's important in absorbing vitamins is actually dissolving the vitamins. Vitamins like K, A and E simply do not dissolve in water. The more fat you have around, the more vitamin you can dissolve. Getting down to the chemistry/pharmacokinetics, the "log P" value tells you which substance - fat or water - a compound solublizes in. Beta Carotene (previtamin A) has a log P of about 15. A log P of 15 means that when dissolved in water/octanol mixture, the concentration of beta carotene in the octanol (the solvent used to emulate "fat") is 10^15 (1 quadrillion) times that in the water. Vitamin K has a log P of 11ish. Vitamin A has a log of 10ish. Compare to a water soluble vitamin C… a log P of -2, which indicates it's 100 times more likely to be found in the water.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 04:29 PM

+1 Now that is an awesome answer. Nicely done sir.

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on February 20, 2014
at 09:42 PM

It might also be worth noting that the bile salts are what allow these fats / fat-dissolved vitamins to be put to use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bile#Physiological_functions

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on February 20, 2014
at 03:59 PM

There are numerous published papers that show that beta carotene is much better absorbed with fats. I have seen results with olive oil, coconut oil, and vegetable oil. In reference to the other PH thread mentioned above, 12 grams of olive oil is pretty much what me, my 17-years old daughter, or my wife eat at any meal. Interestingly, if you restrict your fats your skin is the first to suffer, given both the lack of fats and the lack of vitamin A. If you really want to restrict fats (and at some point I should really post about how ugly models look in real life, I was shocked by their Auschwitz survivor appearance), you must eat liver.

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on February 20, 2014
at 04:24 PM

Not restricting fats. Just don't want to necessarily eat them with my snacks unless said snack has a fat built in.

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Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

on February 20, 2014
at 03:10 PM

Interesting question, I don't know really. Intuitively I would think eating fat an hour before wouldn't be a porblem given it takes a fair while to be digested (so hitting systems maybe at times when you snack...

But anyway, there are some threads/links here that you might be intersted in...

http://paleohacks.com/questions/13323/are-fat-soluble-vitamins-not-absorbed-if-taken-wit.html#axzz23Xsbn1Sa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ8QKx90qLY

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on February 20, 2014
at 04:25 PM

Thanks, listening to the audio now.

Will consider just taking fish oil with my snacks...hmm. :D

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Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 20, 2014
at 02:21 PM

Why are you afraid of fats? Fats will not make you fat, so don't be afraid to pour some olive oil on your salad. Pour until all the veggies are nicely covered in oil, but not so much that you have an oil and vegetable soup. And yes, you are likely missing out on vitamins A, E, and K by not consuming your salad with oil.

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on February 20, 2014
at 02:55 PM

Not exactly my worry. It's more of a convenience thing...I was just happening to eat them as snacks, don't really want to walk around carrying a fist-full of carrots,cucumber,celery soaking wet with butter or olive oil if I don't have to.

Just looking for the best solution that augments my current practices as little as possible. On meals I do what you prescribe. :)

((Ghost paragraphs here))

Damn character limits always prevent me from being snide. >.<

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on February 20, 2014
at 03:06 PM

Fat likely will make you fat if you add it to low calorie vegetable snacks without compensating in other areas... Eating more than needed for maintenance is a factor udnerpinning weight gain... But what's this thread got to do with weight gain/loss anyway...? he/she is aksing about what's needed for nutrient assimlation...

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on February 21, 2014
at 05:04 AM

someone above wrote "Fat in the absence of carbohydrates doesn't cause weight gain. How does the body store fat?..."

I don't know 'how the body stores fat', but it must be able to store fat (fatty acids) in the absence of carbohydrates, otherwise people on Zero Carb diets would die...?

I would presume that fat cells are able to release energy (fatty acids) and uptake energy (fatty acids) all the time, whether carbs are present in the diet or not. In fact, isn't that what 'being a fat burner' ('fat adapted') is all about.

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