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What paleo book would you give to a flatmate's vegetarian girlfriend?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 29, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Evening,

My flatemate's girlfriend who now lives with us has over the last year become more and more vegetarian. My flatmate says that he is starting to feel the pressure, and is not particularly happy because he feels his single pork chop is being bullied by the courgettes and aubergines in the fridge.

I mentioned that I would like to buy him and her a book for Christmas about Paleo just so they can read it together and get another point of view.

I've only read "The Paleo Solution - Robb Wolf" and "Good calories, Bad calories - Gary Taubes" so wondering if there is a more suitable "light" introduction to paleo out there, and one which a vegetarian who is very interested in their health would be more open to reading?

Update: Spoke to my flatmate's girlfriend last night and she said she would be really interested in reading a book on Paleo. So I started reading "The Primal Blueprint - Mark Sisson" on Kindle last night as I never give a book I haven't read myself. I like his style, different from "The Paleo Solution - Robb Wolf", but Sisson seems good at continuing to summarize his main points over and over.

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on December 05, 2011
at 07:14 PM

Don't forget his website as a resource too. Since I'm now intuitively eating high-fat paleo, it's easy for me to forget how weird/drastic paleo seemed when it was first making noises on my periphery. That website helped a lot for recipes and the like. All the goofy "primal lifestyle" and Grok stuff aside, Sisson's introductions to the concepts are pretty slick. The best evidence is physical. I was quick to throw all my vegetarian nonsense out the window the moment I realized that paleo could cure my acne.

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on December 05, 2011
at 01:05 PM

Good book (except for the "down with the patriarchy" stuff), but I wouldn't say it doesn't "bash" vegetarians. Maybe not as directly as saying they're idiots, but she starts out pretty aggressively, opening the book by talking about how wrong she was and how unhealthy vegetarianism made her. There's nothing subtle about it; nothing to draw in the opposition and get them nodding before they realize where it's headed. Books by "converts" are usually that way: "This is obvious to me now; why shouldn't it be obvious to everyone? I want to wake people like me up!"

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on December 05, 2011
at 07:55 AM

Started reading this on Kindle last night, I like it and am going to buy a hardcopy for her this week. Thanks.

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on December 03, 2011
at 10:48 PM

Only their chocolate. They're way taller than any human is entitled to be, but none of them are good at basketball.

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:55 PM

Agree ... very gentle introduction.

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:30 PM

i wouldn't get involved either. it's between the two of them.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:47 PM

Also I like to support Lierre cause a rogue group of vegans attacked her at a book reading... http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2010/03/15/vegan-nut-jobs-attack-lierre-keith/

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 30, 2011
at 03:52 PM

No, my tolerance of tolerance excludes the Dutch. I can't stand the Dutch :-)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on November 30, 2011
at 03:06 PM

Thank you for tolerating my tolerance. Um...you're not Dutch, are you?

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on November 30, 2011
at 01:58 PM

Well now that sounds about right.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on November 30, 2011
at 01:56 PM

I must admit, I am not a fan of giving books with these sorts of titles as they come across aggressive before they are even read. For instance Gary Taubes book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" is called "The Diet Delusion" here in the UK. I have no idea why, but whenever I talk about it I call it by it's original name. Never understood trying to encourage people to listen by telling them "You are wrong, or naive" in the first instance. Thanks for the title I have added to my wishlist.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on November 30, 2011
at 01:49 PM

Hahah it really is not that serious an issue. I had already mentioned to my flatmate about the book and he said he thought it was a good idea. We all get along well and I am already friends with his girlfriend which was further cemented recently over shared love for coconut oil.

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on November 30, 2011
at 12:14 PM

@James, yup, I think you're right, he's always been Celiac.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 29, 2011
at 11:58 PM

Rose - I made the appropriate edit. Love you too babe!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 29, 2011
at 11:57 PM

Rose - I made the appropriate edit. Love you to babe!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on November 29, 2011
at 11:57 PM

j/k. <3 <3 <3 <3

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on November 29, 2011
at 11:56 PM

Hey, I'm a meat lover, and I don't hate the Ghee Wolverine! Only now I hate you for saying that.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on November 29, 2011
at 10:51 PM

I wouldn't give them the book, just read it yourself & leave it lying around the flat...

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on November 29, 2011
at 10:36 PM

My recollection is that Robb wasn't really healthy before going Vegan (he's Celiac). He went Vegan thinking it was healthier, and could fix some problems, then went paleo after that.

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on November 29, 2011
at 10:30 PM

+1 I would definitely stay out of this one!

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on November 29, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Love her too, good one!

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on November 29, 2011
at 10:05 PM

I loved her book, and second this as a former longtime vegetarian and vegan myself...

94a4a87e3d2e1e9160b6ed77678b4bea

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on November 29, 2011
at 09:51 PM

I feel for your flatmate - my best friend became a vegan about 5 years ago and I feel like i lost a great part of my life which was sharing gourmet food with someone I loved and who had passion for food... now its "oh wow those tempura vegetables were amazing"... pffft!

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on November 29, 2011
at 09:49 PM

Agreed - I find his book a little too childish (what is with the "buttercup" thing???) - but I do like the fact that he can contrast his own vegetarian past with the now and compare the health effects.

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on November 29, 2011
at 08:55 PM

Yeah, break up your friend's relationship, screaming fights over food... You = screwed.

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on November 29, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Yeah, I like primal blueprint also when lending out for a "light" introduction.

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on November 29, 2011
at 08:01 PM

I love this book, but handing it to the vegetarian girl-friend of your flat mate is liable to start some fireworks. I say avoid the entanglement or go with Primal Blueprint - an easy going read. Sisson's wife was (or is) vegetarian and he lurves his veggies.

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on November 29, 2011
at 07:27 PM

Great book, but getting a vegetarian to pick it up when they don't see fault in their ways is one hell of a task. I find it best to drop little knowledge nuggets over a long period of time and let them sink in, then eventually introduce the book. Things like PubMed articles on the health implications of soy and gluten, studies showing the importance of vitamins A D E & K and how plant-sources are sub-optimal, analyses showing the environmental impacts of monocrops, pictures showing the happiness at farms like PolyFace, etc.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 29, 2011
at 07:06 PM

Brain-washed or brain-fogged?

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 29, 2011
at 07:05 PM

This promises to be a lose-lose situation for you. If you MUST give a book, I'll recommend Primal Blueprint just to be different.

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B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on November 29, 2011
at 07:02 PM

while i admire your motivation i can only give you this advice;

don't get involved

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on November 29, 2011
at 10:30 PM

+1 I would definitely stay out of this one!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 29, 2011
at 07:05 PM

This promises to be a lose-lose situation for you. If you MUST give a book, I'll recommend Primal Blueprint just to be different.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on November 30, 2011
at 01:49 PM

Hahah it really is not that serious an issue. I had already mentioned to my flatmate about the book and he said he thought it was a good idea. We all get along well and I am already friends with his girlfriend which was further cemented recently over shared love for coconut oil.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on November 29, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Yeah, I like primal blueprint also when lending out for a "light" introduction.

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

(8280)

on November 29, 2011
at 08:55 PM

Yeah, break up your friend's relationship, screaming fights over food... You = screwed.

8c509aac21bdb54b3ca91de2da994b9b

(248)

on December 03, 2011
at 08:30 PM

i wouldn't get involved either. it's between the two of them.

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B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

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on November 29, 2011
at 07:16 PM

The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith. The book is gracefully written and completely debunks the vegetarian concept from health, political, environmental & sustainable perspectives.

Keith was a vegan for 20+ years and now suffers life long health issues due to her former diet.

The book doesn't 'bash' vegetarians / vegans and it does explore in detail the benefits of a paleo diet.

55c3c2a048c4eadbf6829d1bcecfee1f

(75)

on November 29, 2011
at 07:27 PM

Great book, but getting a vegetarian to pick it up when they don't see fault in their ways is one hell of a task. I find it best to drop little knowledge nuggets over a long period of time and let them sink in, then eventually introduce the book. Things like PubMed articles on the health implications of soy and gluten, studies showing the importance of vitamins A D E & K and how plant-sources are sub-optimal, analyses showing the environmental impacts of monocrops, pictures showing the happiness at farms like PolyFace, etc.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on November 29, 2011
at 08:01 PM

I love this book, but handing it to the vegetarian girl-friend of your flat mate is liable to start some fireworks. I say avoid the entanglement or go with Primal Blueprint - an easy going read. Sisson's wife was (or is) vegetarian and he lurves his veggies.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on November 30, 2011
at 01:56 PM

I must admit, I am not a fan of giving books with these sorts of titles as they come across aggressive before they are even read. For instance Gary Taubes book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" is called "The Diet Delusion" here in the UK. I have no idea why, but whenever I talk about it I call it by it's original name. Never understood trying to encourage people to listen by telling them "You are wrong, or naive" in the first instance. Thanks for the title I have added to my wishlist.

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on November 29, 2011
at 10:05 PM

I loved her book, and second this as a former longtime vegetarian and vegan myself...

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on November 29, 2011
at 10:51 PM

I wouldn't give them the book, just read it yourself & leave it lying around the flat...

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on November 30, 2011
at 04:47 PM

Also I like to support Lierre cause a rogue group of vegans attacked her at a book reading... http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2010/03/15/vegan-nut-jobs-attack-lierre-keith/

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on December 05, 2011
at 01:05 PM

Good book (except for the "down with the patriarchy" stuff), but I wouldn't say it doesn't "bash" vegetarians. Maybe not as directly as saying they're idiots, but she starts out pretty aggressively, opening the book by talking about how wrong she was and how unhealthy vegetarianism made her. There's nothing subtle about it; nothing to draw in the opposition and get them nodding before they realize where it's headed. Books by "converts" are usually that way: "This is obvious to me now; why shouldn't it be obvious to everyone? I want to wake people like me up!"

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D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 29, 2011
at 11:27 PM

I don't know a lot about this topic, but let me speculate - it is IMPOSSIBLE to be a vegetarian and Paleo. IMPOSSIBLE I say!

However, you could ask your flatmate's GF to read this - http://paleohacks.com/questions/56799/mingers-talk-why-cant-we-all-get-along-similarities-between-veggies-and-paleo/56864#56864

And then this - http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/08/13/ancestral-health-symposium/

Paleo is about toxin avoidance, first and foremost, IMO. Meat lovers (EXCEPT ROSE) gonna hate the Ghee Wolverine, but I can outdrink all of my meat eating friends. Nuff said.

If your flatmate's GF is really interested (and of course hot), I will be happy to give her some tips, maybe even the entire shaft, of Paleo for the vegetarian. Contrary to what anyone tells you, they are not mutually exclusive!

Ghee Wolverine, out...

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 29, 2011
at 11:57 PM

j/k. <3 <3 <3 <3

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 29, 2011
at 11:56 PM

Hey, I'm a meat lover, and I don't hate the Ghee Wolverine! Only now I hate you for saying that.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 29, 2011
at 11:57 PM

Rose - I made the appropriate edit. Love you to babe!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 30, 2011
at 03:52 PM

No, my tolerance of tolerance excludes the Dutch. I can't stand the Dutch :-)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 30, 2011
at 03:06 PM

Thank you for tolerating my tolerance. Um...you're not Dutch, are you?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 29, 2011
at 11:58 PM

Rose - I made the appropriate edit. Love you too babe!

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(10611)

on December 03, 2011
at 10:48 PM

Only their chocolate. They're way taller than any human is entitled to be, but none of them are good at basketball.

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on November 29, 2011
at 10:12 PM

Yeah, I agree with not getting involved, though you could also try a more neutral book about nutrition, like Deep Nutiriton or something that doesn't appear to be so clearly carnivorous. Plus, she'll learn plenty from it whether she decides to be a vegetarian or not.

Also, I mean in all honesty, wanting her to not be a vegetarian because it's annoying him is... meh. But honestly wanting to give her an interesting informative book about health generally? That I feel like you can do with a clean conscience and without getting in the midst of a couple fight.

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on November 29, 2011
at 07:33 PM

Animal, Vegetable, Miracle by Barbara Kingsolver, particularly if the vegetarianism is ethically focused. It isn't paleo (there's a lot of talk about eating grains), but it's extremely readable, and provides a very accessible argument in favor of eating appropriately-raised animals.

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on November 29, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Love her too, good one!

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on December 04, 2011
at 12:14 AM

I would recommend Beyond Broccoli by Susan Schenck. It's similar to the Vegetarian Myth but the writing style seems much more approachable and she makes references to Paleo authors as well. The author was a former raw vegan and even wrote a book on it. She does still advocate eating less cooked foods while telling people to eat some meat (esp. fish).

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 29, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Robb Wolf's Paleo Solution - He was healthy before going Vegan, then got really broken while Vegan, and got unbroken on Paleo.

Not that she'd read it, most Vegans are brainwashed.

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

(8280)

on November 29, 2011
at 10:36 PM

My recollection is that Robb wasn't really healthy before going Vegan (he's Celiac). He went Vegan thinking it was healthier, and could fix some problems, then went paleo after that.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 29, 2011
at 07:06 PM

Brain-washed or brain-fogged?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19463)

on November 30, 2011
at 12:14 PM

@James, yup, I think you're right, he's always been Celiac.

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on November 29, 2011
at 07:00 PM

Robb Wolf used to be a vegetarian (he may have even dabbled in veganism), so one of his books that covers that part of his life would be a good place to start.

94a4a87e3d2e1e9160b6ed77678b4bea

(1311)

on November 29, 2011
at 09:49 PM

Agreed - I find his book a little too childish (what is with the "buttercup" thing???) - but I do like the fact that he can contrast his own vegetarian past with the now and compare the health effects.

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on December 04, 2011
at 07:03 PM

If he is intimidated by her vegetables, first thing you do is tell him to find the pants that has his man parts in it.

Then you go with him and check the books, because he might know would be less offensive and possibly acceptable.

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on December 03, 2011
at 10:44 PM

A House for Mr. Biswas. It's a great book, and the more you read, and think about what you read, the less interest you have in being a vegetarian.

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on December 03, 2011
at 06:14 PM

I'd mind my own business ... this isn't supposed to be a religion. :-)

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:51 PM

I'd forget about a book and just show her this film. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1vavWPKVkc&feature=related

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on November 29, 2011
at 10:47 PM

Also, send 'em this link to NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/health/vitamin-b12-deficiency-can-cause-symptoms-that-mimic-aging.html?src=me&ref=general

Basically confirms that B12 can only be obtained from animal sources, problems arise when you don't get it, and supplementation ain't the answer.

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on November 29, 2011
at 09:39 PM

Primal Body, Primal Mind

but honestly, I'm in agreement with those who suggested not getting involved.

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on November 29, 2011
at 07:20 PM

It really depends why she's vegetarian. For perceived health benefits or animal rights? I think any paleo book (I like Robb Wolf's) would be good for taking apart the vegan myth to better health. I don't have an exact recommendation for taking apart the animal rights side, perhaps something by Joel Salatin? I've got a couple of his books on my wish list.

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