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"Vegetarians" eat as much meat as omnivores?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 05, 2012 at 5:37 PM

I recall reading about a survey that found that vegetarians actually consume as much, if not more, meat as omnivores. The implication is that vegetarians tend to not be particularly strict, and they also compensate by eating more "good" meats like chicken and fish. I've encountered this myself with a friend of mine who loved the grassfed beef burger wrapped in bacon I hand fed her, yet still called herself a vegetarian.

Does anyone know of this study? I'd love to find it again.

Dee50db72231635dc825ddcf9bbb3aeb

(20)

on August 07, 2012
at 02:51 PM

It's not about being weak, it's really about the definition being somewhat loose. It seems that when people call themselves 'vegetarian' they generally mean not that they eat no meat, but that don't eat THAT much and also follow a generally 'healthier' diet than SAD. There's probably also something about how group inclusion is more important than strict adherence.

Dee50db72231635dc825ddcf9bbb3aeb

(20)

on August 07, 2012
at 02:49 PM

This was exactly what I was looking for, thanks!

B525b3e4b1d6f1cdceec943cdec6eb7d

(1680)

on August 06, 2012
at 02:06 PM

A meat-eating friend notes that most of the "vegetarians" he meets make a crazy number of exceptions. Like "I'm a vegetarian, but I eat chicken." That kind of thing. So now when he meets vegetarians, his standard response is "Me too! But I eat meat." :-)

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2012
at 12:07 PM

So true. So very true.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 06, 2012
at 01:25 AM

Vegetarian wimps. They are intimidated! Also, I want to eat that. I bet the horrified yet secretly jealous looks are just as good a spice as hunger.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2012
at 01:09 AM

I love sitting in the whole foods in boulder eating this for my dinner, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vwnkDMSjc8I/T_41PlDSaPI/AAAAAAAAAk4/6KpW-TYSnPg/s1600/dinner-shortribs.jpg when most people there are eating tofu salads.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2012
at 01:03 AM

Not even sure if I should comment again.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2012
at 01:02 AM

Who doesn't like a hot and bothered cavegirl

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 06, 2012
at 01:01 AM

LOL What can I say? Cute Paleo guys making fun of vegetarian wimps gets me all hot and bothered! You can't get any more cavegirl than that! ;)

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 06, 2012
at 12:53 AM

Fair enough, but my cat would probably eat a vegan. He tries to eat my pit mix puppy all the time.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 06, 2012
at 12:24 AM

I assume the term "pussy" refers to cats, as in "scaredy cats," not female genitalia. This etymology allows me to use this great epithet without guilt. I encourage others to as well, because pussy is a great word.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 06, 2012
at 12:20 AM

Luckie, RaiseFitness: get a room! LOL!

4ecfe8ee47ea62a11be516cd59701a4b

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on August 05, 2012
at 11:13 PM

Certainly I know several women at my job who call themselves veg but will eat fish twice a week. I think this is really a common cheat.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 11:08 PM

That's a good point. It's funny that they don't know that Adventists are supposed to keep mostly kosher and instead think they can't eat meat at all. I've run into people who think that before and I'm not really sure where they get it from.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 09:56 PM

I LOL'd! I guess my name does really open up that door and I don't mind when someone walks through.

2e5dc29c61f97d335ffb990508424719

on August 05, 2012
at 09:28 PM

How can I get Luckie? (Too easy not to post!)

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 08:01 PM

It's an unfortunate side effect. My libido really did NOT need to be increased, and I'm picky about men so it isn't a very easy problem to solve.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 08:00 PM

You're making me blush!

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 05, 2012
at 07:22 PM

@luckie...of course it does!

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 05, 2012
at 07:14 PM

Have sushi, will travel!

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 07:07 PM

Oh dear. I have several really awesome responses, but I'm afraid there may be some PaleoHacker children about and I don't want to corrupt them. Let's just say that I have really strong feelings about the "Does Paleo enhance your sex drive?" questions.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 05, 2012
at 06:28 PM

oops, examination

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 05, 2012
at 06:28 PM

To make a true comparison, one would have to take a closer examine of both, and I don't want to get that close to vegans.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

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on August 05, 2012
at 06:22 PM

Luckie,you crack me up.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on August 05, 2012
at 06:05 PM

I think that the difference is that the people in the study that the OP was referring to call themselves vegetarians and yet eat a -lot- of meat. A "cheat" doesn't negate their dietary beliefs, but if it's a daily "cheat" or something, that's a different matter. If I saw a Paleo person wolfing down a bag of Cheetos a day, I'd call them out on it too, just like I'd call out a vegetarian who ate a few chicken nuggets a day. (If the subject came up. I don't go about pointing it out if they don't bring it into the conversation.)

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on August 05, 2012
at 06:03 PM

Quite a few pussies are meat eaters :D

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 06:02 PM

Can I get a hot Paleo dude to hand feed me some sushi? That does sound like quite a special friend! :D

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 06:00 PM

Don't compare my amazing genitalia with THOSE PEOPLE! ;)

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on August 05, 2012
at 05:46 PM

It reminds me of this article...http://losangeles.grubstreet.com/2012/08/ok-go-la-diet-cheat-week.html

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on August 05, 2012
at 05:42 PM

That doesn't really make sense. If they are eating chicken, fish, and bacon burgers, they are clearly not vegetarians. It sounds like this study was about people who lie about their dietary habits, not vegetarians.

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on August 05, 2012
at 05:39 PM

Feeding a someone a grassfed beef burger wrapped in bacon...by hand? Is this a special friend??? That sounds like quite seductive :)

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00c8eb3f6e6a1884216044ca29cf868a

on August 06, 2012
at 02:33 AM

The real statistic is: 64% of self-defined "vegetarians" ate meat on one of the two days on which their dietary intake was surveyed.

In this article, I discuss some interesting data from the paper in question (Haddad and Tanzman, "What do vegetarians in the United States eat?")

No, "vegetarians" don't consume more meat than omnivores. They do, however, consume far more fish -- and far more of the mainstream "healthy" foods like beans and veggies.

Conclusion: most "vegetarians" are gaining the nutritional benefits of regular fish and meat consumption.

JS

Dee50db72231635dc825ddcf9bbb3aeb

(20)

on August 07, 2012
at 02:49 PM

This was exactly what I was looking for, thanks!

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Medium avatar

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on August 05, 2012
at 05:45 PM

I don' t think this is what you are looking for, but it is interesting nonetheless.

"Why being vegetarian can kill more animals than eating meat"

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21b36b3de8ff31b0d41e7f0f4b5c1e03

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on August 05, 2012
at 10:38 PM

Are you thinking of the studies of Seventh Day Adventists, over 50% of whom actually do eat meat, even though people commonly assume that they are all vegetarians?

http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=648593 (Table 2)

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 11:08 PM

That's a good point. It's funny that they don't know that Adventists are supposed to keep mostly kosher and instead think they can't eat meat at all. I've run into people who think that before and I'm not really sure where they get it from.

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on August 05, 2012
at 06:00 PM

That doesn't make any sense. When I was a vegetarian (and later vegan) I was committed to it 100% of the time. There was no "oh just this once" in my vocabulary.

I find this premise slightly offensive even though I'm no longer vegan or vegetarian, it just seems messed up to insinuate that they aren't committed to their beliefs. I'd be pissed if someone thought that people who adhered to a paleo diet consumed SAD foods like Coke and McDonalds because we were weak or pussies or whatever you want to imply.

I also don't see how this question is relevant to this site but whatever.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 06:05 PM

I think that the difference is that the people in the study that the OP was referring to call themselves vegetarians and yet eat a -lot- of meat. A "cheat" doesn't negate their dietary beliefs, but if it's a daily "cheat" or something, that's a different matter. If I saw a Paleo person wolfing down a bag of Cheetos a day, I'd call them out on it too, just like I'd call out a vegetarian who ate a few chicken nuggets a day. (If the subject came up. I don't go about pointing it out if they don't bring it into the conversation.)

Dee50db72231635dc825ddcf9bbb3aeb

(20)

on August 07, 2012
at 02:51 PM

It's not about being weak, it's really about the definition being somewhat loose. It seems that when people call themselves 'vegetarian' they generally mean not that they eat no meat, but that don't eat THAT much and also follow a generally 'healthier' diet than SAD. There's probably also something about how group inclusion is more important than strict adherence.

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on August 05, 2012
at 05:52 PM

Here's an article about "flexitarians" - people who eat vegetarian meals most of the time but incorporate some meat into their diets. I know a lot of people like this as my parents are Seventh-Day Adventists and it seems popular among them (though they don't call themselves vegetarians if they're not, they generally say that they eat a mostly vegetarian diet). Not exactly what you are referring to, and I can't imagine why they do this, but it's similar.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4541605/ns/health-fitness/t/are-you-flexitarian/#.UB6wplQbA-0

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 05, 2012
at 05:54 PM

Vegans and vegetarians are pussies lol. Most of them are deficient in lots of nutrients.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 08:01 PM

It's an unfortunate side effect. My libido really did NOT need to be increased, and I'm picky about men so it isn't a very easy problem to solve.

2e5dc29c61f97d335ffb990508424719

on August 05, 2012
at 09:28 PM

How can I get Luckie? (Too easy not to post!)

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 06, 2012
at 12:24 AM

I assume the term "pussy" refers to cats, as in "scaredy cats," not female genitalia. This etymology allows me to use this great epithet without guilt. I encourage others to as well, because pussy is a great word.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 05, 2012
at 06:28 PM

To make a true comparison, one would have to take a closer examine of both, and I don't want to get that close to vegans.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 07:07 PM

Oh dear. I have several really awesome responses, but I'm afraid there may be some PaleoHacker children about and I don't want to corrupt them. Let's just say that I have really strong feelings about the "Does Paleo enhance your sex drive?" questions.

Medium avatar

(19469)

on August 05, 2012
at 06:03 PM

Quite a few pussies are meat eaters :D

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 06:00 PM

Don't compare my amazing genitalia with THOSE PEOPLE! ;)

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on August 05, 2012
at 06:22 PM

Luckie,you crack me up.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2012
at 01:03 AM

Not even sure if I should comment again.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 05, 2012
at 09:56 PM

I LOL'd! I guess my name does really open up that door and I don't mind when someone walks through.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 05, 2012
at 07:22 PM

@luckie...of course it does!

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 05, 2012
at 06:28 PM

oops, examination

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 06, 2012
at 12:53 AM

Fair enough, but my cat would probably eat a vegan. He tries to eat my pit mix puppy all the time.

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