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Who here doesn't eat non-starchy veggies?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created October 27, 2011 at 12:52 AM

Veggies annoy me. I'm trying to find out whether it would be ok to phase them out completely.

How many of you eat no fibrous veggies, and how would you describe your digestion as a result?

Has anyone had initial digestive problems with low-veg that eventually went away?

EDIT: After this month-long experiment, I'm convinced that (some vegetables) > (no vegetables), particularly with regard to digestive health.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

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on October 28, 2011
at 02:05 PM

I'm curious about that too, but it's been a trope for a long time. There's a classic comedy bit by Robert Townsend from the 80s that mentions it about government cheese (at about 4:30 in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ8nTrdgp_g). Warning: plenty of politically incorrect language in that clip.

33907fee54e98865a1988e5eef59147e

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on October 28, 2011
at 02:10 AM

Yup. But if they actually are antagonistic (forget the whole question/argument about the folks who say they are synergistic) then why would we want any A

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on October 27, 2011
at 10:32 PM

Marnee, I've seen articles differing from "eat them like apples." I think the general recommendation is to cook sweet potatoes.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 09:07 PM

fruits+veggies for "fun/hormesis" sounds about right

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 27, 2011
at 08:35 PM

"You don't have to eat liver. I don't have to eat veggies. There are tons of great sources for every nutrient. The SAD "eating disorder" is primarily a result of inflammatory things people DO eat that they shouldnt, not vice versa." It allows you to have realistic perspectives and expectations and make statements like the one you made above.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 27, 2011
at 08:33 PM

@Kasra Being slightly retarded has it's perks. You tend to have a more simplistic view of things. You tend to notice the simplicity in complexity. You tend to try new things and see for yourself. It's all good. All good. :)

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 08:03 PM

I may be slightly retarded

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on October 27, 2011
at 07:34 PM

Just edited it.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on October 27, 2011
at 07:33 PM

But now the title is confusing again after the edit, no? It seems like you're asking: who here doesn't eat spinach, kale, arugula, etc.? Really you mean just all veggies other than potatoes, sweet potatoes, winter squash, taro, manioc, etc.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on October 27, 2011
at 07:29 PM

Riffing off Ambimorph: I see paleo as a meat- and animal fat-based diet with starch according to need/tolerance and fruit, herbs, spices, and vegetables thrown in for fun/hormesis.

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on October 27, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Carrots are like that too, marnee. Cooking changes them though: a raw carrot has much lower glycemic index than a cooked one. We can digest uncooked starch slowly, but cooking speeds things up a lot. Cooked sushi rice was a personal nemesis in trying to get my blood sugar down.

83d6a06c93bb3490dbca339cbbb63385

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:50 PM

Sweet potato don't need cooking. You can eat them like apples.

83d6a06c93bb3490dbca339cbbb63385

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:47 PM

Eating veggies actually causes a little constipation in me. Protein+fat digest easily.

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:42 PM

Agreed ambimorph. Vegetables which are digestible raw - such as greens, nuts and berries - seem more paleo to me than any of the starches, which need cooking. They would also be the least inflammatory due to their low glycemic content.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:39 PM

@thhq : I avoid most veggies because I don't like them.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:27 PM

That's my point. If you overload on vitamin A from eating too many livers, you should make sure you are also taking vitamin D, precisely because the two are somewhat antagonistic.

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:20 PM

Ok, just discovered through comments that you mean non-starchy. You might consider including that in the question more explicitly.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:19 PM

I see paleo as a meat-based diet with some vegetables according to tolerance.

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:18 PM

Inflammatory in what sense kasra? Are you avoiding leafy greens because you're afraid of an elevated CRP test?

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:16 PM

Also see http://paleohacks.com/questions/26634/vegetables-necessary-in-the-diet/26662#26662

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:08 PM

You don't have to eat liver. I don't have to eat veggies. There are tons of great sources for every nutrient. The SAD "eating disorder" is primarily a result of inflammatory things people DO eat that they shouldnt, not vice versa.

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on October 27, 2011
at 05:00 PM

This discussion borders on the ridiculous. Paleos ate greens out of necessity. Annoyance doesn't come into play.

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on October 27, 2011
at 04:52 PM

Reluctantly I'm going to downvote this. Liver annoys me but I eat it. Not eating a food because it annoys you is typical of a SAD eating disorder.

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on October 27, 2011
at 04:17 PM

I may be mistaken, but it seems to me that most of the proposed paleo/primal alternative food pyramids place plants at the foundation, and with plenty of protein and fat, with minimal grains, legumes, etc. Here's an example: http://realfoodpyramid.blogspot.com/2011/01/robb-wolfs-paleo-solution-free-podcasts.html I do not cite this pyramid by way of advocating it in some normative, one-size-fit sense. It just seems to me to track with most other paleo formulations. What am I missing here, in my attempt to learn?

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on October 27, 2011
at 04:00 PM

Plant-based? What planet are you from?

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on October 27, 2011
at 03:59 PM

I didn't eat veggies for the past 30 days, I didn't like it really. It learned me a lot though, that's why I did it.

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on October 27, 2011
at 03:39 PM

Jay, "That can potentially add up to a lot of vitamin A, so make sure you also take your vitamin D" ... there really isnt any evidence for this or explanation anywhere in science of what it means to "take A with D". You see it batted around here and there, but the studies say A is antagonistic to D

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 02:42 PM

made it a question --> http://paleohacks.com/questions/73002/cheesy-constipation#axzz1bzS5igqQ

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 27, 2011
at 01:56 PM

Nope. Didn't touch it.

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:54 PM

I see; that wasn't clear to me from your post. I'll be interested in how it goes for you. Good luck!

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:48 PM

A forager has to eat anything it can digest with the least effort. Driving down to Whole Foods for a rotisserie chicken isn't quite the same experience as catching a squirrel. I'd bet that leaves were eaten a lot.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:48 PM

Lol you edited this, it sounded more badass before.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:47 PM

Awesome, this is exactly how I feel. I'm curious as to why cheese causes constipation now though, ha.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:46 PM

I've done ZC before, but I'm talking about including starches

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:44 PM

Sweet, this is exactly what im going for

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:43 PM

^ Yup ^

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:42 PM

Cool, appreciate it

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:39 PM

Interesting. Selection of foods solely on the basis of reward....sounds like the reason I keep eating cabbage...must have with fish and oysters....

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 27, 2011
at 01:34 PM

You took the blue pill majkinetor. Wrong one :P

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on October 27, 2011
at 12:49 PM

The body tightly regulates iron absorption so I'm not terrible worried about it, but I appreciate the warning. Also, non-heme iron is not as easily absorbed as heme iron so the folks here that eat large quantities of red meat are probably getting more iron than me anyway.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 27, 2011
at 10:51 AM

Too much spinach can deliver too much iron I guess.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 27, 2011
at 10:50 AM

Interesting... however, most vegetables are extremely tasty to me...

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on October 27, 2011
at 08:56 AM

I think Kasra meant to include starch, just not fibrous veggies like broccoli, celery, etc.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 04:29 AM

I like your style

Ed92809f18ca70e360768b4f2c9c9df6

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on October 27, 2011
at 02:59 AM

"I have this thing about eating things that aren't tasty" +1

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:50 AM

It will depend on what else you eat. For me it's about a quarter to half a cup of frozen spinach (lightly steamed with little fluid loss). I might substitute chicken liver some days or other veggies, like asparagus or cabbage. But, it's usually still somewhat minimal - just enough to stay within folate adequate

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:49 AM

It will depend on what else you eat. For me it's about a quarter to half a cup of frozen spinach (lightly steamed with little fluid loss). I might substitute chicken liver some days or other veggies, like asparagus or cabbage. But, it's usually still somewhat minimal - just enough to stay within folate adequate.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:38 AM

Do you eat them for nutrients or for fiber? Have you noticed any immediate digestive symptoms when you go a few days without any fiber or veggies?

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:36 AM

How much spinach is that?

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 12:53 AM

I'm invariably going to try this anyway, just want to hear some opinions.

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B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 27, 2011
at 02:38 AM

How often does a blue moon occur? That's about as often as I eat vegetables. They are almost non-existent in my diet. I have this thing about eating things that aren't tasty, maybe it's conditioned maybe it's not. Either way if I crave a vegetable you can be sure I'll eat it, if I don't than I don't eat them. Best to be flexible either way. I'll try most whole foods once.

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:39 PM

Interesting. Selection of foods solely on the basis of reward....sounds like the reason I keep eating cabbage...must have with fish and oysters....

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on October 27, 2011
at 04:29 AM

I like your style

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 27, 2011
at 08:35 PM

"You don't have to eat liver. I don't have to eat veggies. There are tons of great sources for every nutrient. The SAD "eating disorder" is primarily a result of inflammatory things people DO eat that they shouldnt, not vice versa." It allows you to have realistic perspectives and expectations and make statements like the one you made above.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on October 27, 2011
at 01:48 PM

Lol you edited this, it sounded more badass before.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 27, 2011
at 10:50 AM

Interesting... however, most vegetables are extremely tasty to me...

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 08:03 PM

I may be slightly retarded

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 27, 2011
at 08:33 PM

@Kasra Being slightly retarded has it's perks. You tend to have a more simplistic view of things. You tend to notice the simplicity in complexity. You tend to try new things and see for yourself. It's all good. All good. :)

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 27, 2011
at 01:34 PM

You took the blue pill majkinetor. Wrong one :P

Ed92809f18ca70e360768b4f2c9c9df6

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on October 27, 2011
at 02:59 AM

"I have this thing about eating things that aren't tasty" +1

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 27, 2011
at 01:56 PM

Nope. Didn't touch it.

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03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:37 PM

I don't eat many, and I don't worry about it. I actually like most vegetables, but they're extra work, so most of the time I don't bother. Generally, they have to be cleaned, unless you buy pre-washed ones, in which case you're trusting some factory to have done the job right. No thanks. Even home-grown ones need to be washed, then peeled, chopped, or whatever. Compared to meat, eggs, or dairy, green vegetables have to be used fairly quickly or they start to lose their appeal. (Starchy and root vegetables last much longer, of course.) Most of the time, it just seems easiest to cook a chunk of meat or some eggs in a few minutes, and not mess with veggies.

My digestion is always fine without fiber as long as I get enough fat. The only time I've had trouble is when going too high in protein only. The exception to that would be when eating a lot of hard cheese; although it has a lot of fat, it can still lead to constipation for some reason.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 02:42 PM

made it a question --> http://paleohacks.com/questions/73002/cheesy-constipation#axzz1bzS5igqQ

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:47 PM

Awesome, this is exactly how I feel. I'm curious as to why cheese causes constipation now though, ha.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

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on October 28, 2011
at 02:05 PM

I'm curious about that too, but it's been a trope for a long time. There's a classic comedy bit by Robert Townsend from the 80s that mentions it about government cheese (at about 4:30 in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ8nTrdgp_g). Warning: plenty of politically incorrect language in that clip.

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on October 27, 2011
at 08:21 PM

I used to eat pounds of spinach, but I now think there's no purpose, and possibly a risk with the oxalate load. The Hadza of Tanzania eat no non-starchy vegetation and I'd be surprised if there are/were many populations of non-starving hunter-gatherers who would go out of their way to eat the bitter leaves of plants. The questionable bioavailability of nutrients from plants doesn't come anywhere near that of something like liver, so unless you really like a particular vegetable, I don't see the purpose.

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93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

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on October 27, 2011
at 03:59 PM

I'm definitely veggie-free for a couple weeks now, don't even use botanicals for seasoning, just have to quit the coffee and the sugar-free root beer (I think the root beer is behind me already, but it still beckons me in the the grocery store), and I'll be altogether botanical-free.

As for digestion, it works great, but you have to stay away from dairy products also (maybe it's just me). I think butter is okay, but anything else cause terrible constipation without fiber. It's hard to tell because I'm not pooping much anymore. You'll be shocked at how much coal you can shovel in with so few cinders coming out. I guess meat is overwhelmingly made up of solubles.

Eat lots of fat. Eat nose to tail, as much as possible. Eat eggs. Get a slow cooker and do pork hocks and soup bones and all those wonderful gristly things you can find, and eat everything but the bones. But suck the marrow out before you throw the bones away. Eat tripe and cheek meat and everything unusual that shows up at the meat counter. Your taste buds will change and it'll all be wonderful.

Edit:

It's been about a month now, I've been total carnivore. I misspoke when I said a couple weeks. I'm still troubleshooting problems like electrolyte imbalances, but flying blind with no blood work, and yet I think I'm making progress.

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:25 PM

I don't know if you're planning to keep eating fruit, but there are a few of here who eat so-called "zero-carb," with very minimal plant matter--often things like tea, coffee, and/or spices, but no fruit or veg. You might try doing a search on "zero-carb" to see what our experiences have been.

Briefly, I've been eating more or less this way for over two years now, and my health has done nothing but improve. The couple of times I've experimented with adding some plant matter back in, in fact, have gone badly (weight gain, return of autoimmune symptoms). The general advice for ZC/XLCers is to eat lots of animal fat, especially in the beginning, to help with keto-adaptation. And I second Jay's advice, above, to eat some organ meats. However, unlike Jay, I don't see any reason to limit your experiment, unless you begin to experience adverse health effects.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:46 PM

I've done ZC before, but I'm talking about including starches

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:54 PM

I see; that wasn't clear to me from your post. I'll be interested in how it goes for you. Good luck!

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4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:11 AM

I don't eat many non-starchy vegetables. After all, why would a forager try to gather calories from leaves when starch and prey are available, and starch and prey are available whenever leaves are available...

That said, out of caution, I bow to convention and eat just enough spinach to get about half the RDA of folate per day (including contributions from other foods too). I don't mind the vitamin K1 and betaine from the spinach either...

If you go completely without greens of any kind, I think you'll need to eat liver to get your folate and vitamin K (k2 from the liver, of course). That can potentially add up to a lot of vitamin A, so make sure you also take your vitamin D. (Btw, chicken livers provide much more folate per unit of retinol than does beef liver.)

Lastly, for what it is worth, I think it's inadvisable to do your experiment for too long.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:42 PM

Cool, appreciate it

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:49 AM

It will depend on what else you eat. For me it's about a quarter to half a cup of frozen spinach (lightly steamed with little fluid loss). I might substitute chicken liver some days or other veggies, like asparagus or cabbage. But, it's usually still somewhat minimal - just enough to stay within folate adequate.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:36 AM

How much spinach is that?

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on October 27, 2011
at 10:51 AM

Too much spinach can deliver too much iron I guess.

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on October 28, 2011
at 02:10 AM

Yup. But if they actually are antagonistic (forget the whole question/argument about the folks who say they are synergistic) then why would we want any A

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:50 AM

It will depend on what else you eat. For me it's about a quarter to half a cup of frozen spinach (lightly steamed with little fluid loss). I might substitute chicken liver some days or other veggies, like asparagus or cabbage. But, it's usually still somewhat minimal - just enough to stay within folate adequate

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on October 27, 2011
at 12:49 PM

The body tightly regulates iron absorption so I'm not terrible worried about it, but I appreciate the warning. Also, non-heme iron is not as easily absorbed as heme iron so the folks here that eat large quantities of red meat are probably getting more iron than me anyway.

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:48 PM

A forager has to eat anything it can digest with the least effort. Driving down to Whole Foods for a rotisserie chicken isn't quite the same experience as catching a squirrel. I'd bet that leaves were eaten a lot.

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on October 27, 2011
at 03:39 PM

Jay, "That can potentially add up to a lot of vitamin A, so make sure you also take your vitamin D" ... there really isnt any evidence for this or explanation anywhere in science of what it means to "take A with D". You see it batted around here and there, but the studies say A is antagonistic to D

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:27 PM

That's my point. If you overload on vitamin A from eating too many livers, you should make sure you are also taking vitamin D, precisely because the two are somewhat antagonistic.

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on October 27, 2011
at 03:57 PM

I find this question and these answers most interesting, and a bit surprising.

It seems to me Paleo/Primal (with its many variations) is essentially a plant-based diet, with more meat and fat percentages than most of the non-Paleo paradigms. Agree?

If yes: So if eating Paleo doesn't involve veggies (or minimal), is this to posit a distinction between plants (starchy ones) and veggies (the leafy stuff)?

We're all familiar with the whole ???think variety, think color??? approach to veggies/fruit. We are urged to consume a "rainbow" of veggies/fruit. My main fruit is berries, and not any great quantity, so let's stick with veggies. Is it easy to get requisite micronutrients (and anti-oxidants) with veggies a minimal part of one's diet?

I'm definitely clear about the need to get ride of vegetable oils. It's just that I am not inclined to want to forego all the kinds of veggies that can and do make up a great salad, especially with generous amounts of protein and fat added.

Not that I hear anybody telling me I should forego that, or that there's anything "wrong" with loving a great heap of veggies. I'm simply struck by emphasis on minimizing, per se.

I can of course totally dig that someone may not like a given vegetable, and I am definitely not in the "Eat Your Vegetables (whether you like them or not because they are good for you)" school.

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on October 27, 2011
at 04:17 PM

I may be mistaken, but it seems to me that most of the proposed paleo/primal alternative food pyramids place plants at the foundation, and with plenty of protein and fat, with minimal grains, legumes, etc. Here's an example: http://realfoodpyramid.blogspot.com/2011/01/robb-wolfs-paleo-solution-free-podcasts.html I do not cite this pyramid by way of advocating it in some normative, one-size-fit sense. It just seems to me to track with most other paleo formulations. What am I missing here, in my attempt to learn?

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:50 PM

Sweet potato don't need cooking. You can eat them like apples.

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on October 27, 2011
at 04:00 PM

Plant-based? What planet are you from?

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on October 27, 2011
at 09:07 PM

fruits+veggies for "fun/hormesis" sounds about right

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:42 PM

Agreed ambimorph. Vegetables which are digestible raw - such as greens, nuts and berries - seem more paleo to me than any of the starches, which need cooking. They would also be the least inflammatory due to their low glycemic content.

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on October 27, 2011
at 05:00 PM

This discussion borders on the ridiculous. Paleos ate greens out of necessity. Annoyance doesn't come into play.

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:19 PM

I see paleo as a meat-based diet with some vegetables according to tolerance.

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on October 27, 2011
at 10:32 PM

Marnee, I've seen articles differing from "eat them like apples." I think the general recommendation is to cook sweet potatoes.

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on October 27, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Carrots are like that too, marnee. Cooking changes them though: a raw carrot has much lower glycemic index than a cooked one. We can digest uncooked starch slowly, but cooking speeds things up a lot. Cooked sushi rice was a personal nemesis in trying to get my blood sugar down.

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on October 27, 2011
at 07:29 PM

Riffing off Ambimorph: I see paleo as a meat- and animal fat-based diet with starch according to need/tolerance and fruit, herbs, spices, and vegetables thrown in for fun/hormesis.

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on October 27, 2011
at 11:24 AM

Only veggies I eat are onions, tomatoes (ok they're a fruit) plus random servings from random veggies (in a blue moon). Not including spices that is.

So yeah meat and starch is fine for my digestion; if anything it's better. I pretty much just eat:

  • Meat (including fish, eggs etc)

  • Standard primal dairy (i.e. cream, cheese sometimes)

  • Tubers and starchy fruit (i.e. PHD safe starches).

Coconut products make a fairly frequent appearance too.

I'm not a Gorilla or a Chimp so I have no need for fibrous vegetables or sweet fruit.

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:44 PM

Sweet, this is exactly what im going for

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on October 27, 2011
at 02:27 AM

I ate enough salad as a teen. Now I stick mostly to a handful of herbs when I am growing them. They are pretty dense nutrient wise. I've suffered no ill effects. Maybe I have been doing this for almost a year or so.

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on October 27, 2011
at 08:43 AM

Mark Sisson wrote about this : http://www.marksdailyapple.com/zero-carb-diet/

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on October 27, 2011
at 08:56 AM

I think Kasra meant to include starch, just not fibrous veggies like broccoli, celery, etc.

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:43 PM

^ Yup ^

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:35 AM

I stick with kale, broccoli, sweet potatoes and celery. Find a raw veggie and a few cooked.

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:38 AM

Do you eat them for nutrients or for fiber? Have you noticed any immediate digestive symptoms when you go a few days without any fiber or veggies?

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on March 05, 2012
at 09:49 PM

I watched a show on Nova that spoke about hunters/gatherers. The did indeed eat alot of nutritious tubers & roots. That makes sense, because as one pointed out, they would likely go for the root than the bitter leaves, and tubers/roots last longer. Think of potatoes in those caves. Makes sense, doesn't it? Plus, it's easier to roast roots and tubers on a fire. I am convinced our Paleo ancestors ate tubers and roots and the occasional green leaves, and of course fruit & nuts which was readily available, aside from hunting. Makes sense to me, so I eat according to common sense. "what did Paleo Man do?"

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