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New to Paleo - cannot stnd veggs

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 31, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Hi all, I am very new to trying Paleo (1 week). I'm trying it in an attempt to help clear my skin of excessive oil and acne. Also, I'm very opposed to processed food, modified anything (ie, fat free food that is NOT meant to be fat-free... that ain't natural), etc. and love heavier cuts of meat. I always feel better when I eat small yet heavy/rich meals and foods... so Paleo seems to fit me.

My biggest issue (apart from cutting back on dairy, because I LOVE dairy), is the vegetables. I HATE eating vegetables. They make me feel sick, bloated, and make me gain weight. Eating vegetables gives me that pregnant look. I have read on this site that someone in this situation can substitute vegetables with offal & seafood, which is fine. BUT. I'm wondering... has anyone "modified" their diet to replace their veggies with wholesome grains (minimaly-processed)? I realize doing so would make this non-Paleo, but I never had a problem with grains to begin with. It's the vegetables that don't agree with me.

Im considering going back to a small quantity of quality grains instead of veggies while keeping the no-dairy/ sugar/ preservatives part. Does anyone know if this will mess up the Paleo "cleansing"? Meaning... since starting Paleo a week ago, my skin already looks 100% better and have had no cravings for sugar or alcohol. I'm afraid of messing that up with the grains. Is there a basis for that fear?

I realize this is a long post and I sincerely thank these of you who have made it this far into the post!

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on April 04, 2013
at 03:25 PM

My personal experience has been that while the gestalt of all these changes were beneficial, grain elimination was the single most important in my health. But, hey, don't take my word for it. YMMV. Add grains back in and see how you do. No paleo police will come and get you.

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on April 01, 2013
at 02:08 AM

I'm going to try and stick with it for another week. Right now I feel like I weigh 15lbs more than I do. Wish me luck, and thank you for your reply!

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on April 01, 2013
at 02:06 AM

Thank you for your feedback; I really appreciate it. However I think I should clarify that I haven't cut out ONLY grains... I've cut off sugar and cut WAAAAYY back on dairy. I used to consume large amounts of butter, cheese and cream every day. And I was eating more and more sugar too even if it was in the form of all-natural ice cream. Also, I recently started drinking home-brewed kombucha, so it really could be any one of those things...?

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on March 31, 2013
at 11:57 PM

Oh and yes, I am concerned about my fiber intake, that's why I was thinking of substituting. Constipation tends to run in my family, and that leads to even more breakouts.

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on March 31, 2013
at 11:56 PM

I am going to look up FODMAPS right now. I hate vegetables because of the reaction, not so much the taste. I don't really *love* vegetables, but I can eat them when prepared right. THanks for your feedback!

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on March 31, 2013
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What vegetables do you usually eat? How do you prepare them?

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on May 12, 2013
at 11:48 PM

This is the answer to my question.

I think I shocked my system with so many coconut products and green vegetables, neither of which I used to eat before. I still eat avocados almost every day, and coconut oil in my morning coffee, but no more processed coconut milk, etc.

Also I pretty much stopped eating raw, green, leafy vegetables in large portions. I only eat vegetables in small portions and if they are either prepared with other fat and/or protein (for example, a clean caesar-style salad as a side to a meal, root-vegetable salad with mayo, small serving of arugula with a nice juicy steak and some goat cheese and honey... that sort of thing). For some reason, that seems to help. I upped my intake of fruit, which is ok for me because I'm not looking to lose weight, and incorporated some organ meats.I feel great and have been more regular than I've been in the past two years.

Hope this helps someone.

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on March 31, 2013
at 06:00 PM

I have to avoid most veggies, too, due to FODMAPS-intolerance. (google it!)

Skip the grains--you won't get as many nutrients as you need due to phytates and lectins.

Definitely eat liver, organ meats and seafood to get the micronutrients you are missing from veggies.

Different folks are intolerant to different veggies. Spinach is usually well-tolerated by most. I can eat potatoes easily, but not sweet potatoes, for example.

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on March 31, 2013
at 05:32 PM

First, don't worry about a long post as long as your giving good information which you are. It is a bit concerning that you have trouble with vegetables, but it might be in part of either the type of vegetables you're eating or how you're preparing them. The big advantage of vegetables is that their rich in anti-oxidents and low in calories and full of vitamins and minerals, depending on the type an quality, of course. If you think of a piece of organic wheat bread, with a high glycemic index, 100 calories, and minimal nutrients, most of which were artificially put back in, you're not getting a great benefit. For 100 calories of leafy green veggies or brightly colored veggies (peppers, carrots, etc) you'd fill yourself up, you'd get good soluable fiber (way more useful than grains insluable fiber, which doesn't do anything positive), way more vitamins and minerals, etc.

As with a lot of people here discovering their "trigger" foods that make them feel bad, you might need to start off on a very restrictive diet and add a new veggie every week to see how it makes you feel. Also, investigate how you're preparing them. Some people can't handle too many things raw, some can't handle overcooked. I hated kale until I learned to sautee briefly with bacon and onions. Raw was too tough to eat and overcooking (how I was always served it) was nasty. Look at this time to experiment with new recipes and you'll start finding new favorites.

As far as grains go, some people think that a small amount won't hurt you. I disagree personally. At best, they do nothing for you. They're high glycemic and most people have issues with them. I know someone who had no issues with gluten and wheat at all, but when she got genetically tested for gluten intolerance, she had an issue on both sides of her family. She looked into her family tree and found that EVERYONE died of some kind of digestive cancer; colon, stomach, pancreatic. You don't have to feel bad to have grains affect you.

Many people here have had to take years and years to get where they are. You don't have to jump into the deep end and force yourself to eat things you hate. Introduce a few things every once in a while. You'll look back next year and realize how far you've come without realizing it.

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on April 01, 2013
at 02:08 AM

I'm going to try and stick with it for another week. Right now I feel like I weigh 15lbs more than I do. Wish me luck, and thank you for your reply!

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on March 31, 2013
at 05:28 PM

Check out FODMAPS on PH or Google. I don't think vegetables are making you gain weight but it is very possible you are having a reaction to certain types of vegetables that are causing bloat and feels like weight gain. A lot of people successfully eliminate FODMAPS and can continue eating other vegetables.

You'll find some support around here for white rice or even minimally processed oats or other heritage grains, but generally the consensus is that they are poor nutritional substitutes for vegetables.

Your post isn't exactly clear whether you hate vegetables because the unpleasant reaction or because of the taste? And are you looking to sub out grains because of what you are lacking in fiber from the vegetables?

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on March 31, 2013
at 11:57 PM

Oh and yes, I am concerned about my fiber intake, that's why I was thinking of substituting. Constipation tends to run in my family, and that leads to even more breakouts.

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on March 31, 2013
at 11:56 PM

I am going to look up FODMAPS right now. I hate vegetables because of the reaction, not so much the taste. I don't really *love* vegetables, but I can eat them when prepared right. THanks for your feedback!

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on May 13, 2013
at 12:23 AM

Once you go Paleo and figure out how to eat vegetables, check out putting coconut oil on your skin as a moisturizer (and minimal shower / soap time.) I use the Tropical Traditions stuff.

Night and day difference in my skin. It's like a completely different material. I attribute some of this to the vitamin A/C, some of it to the lack of wheat / milk protein, some to the lesser choline/soap in the shower, and the coconut oil. 5000% better skin.

I came from a similar picky-eater background. You just have to go Fear-factor mode and make that your diet, then it eventually matters less what things taste like. I would highly advise not trying to find a way around eating gross vegetables. Just fucking eat them. (A little garlic, lemon, sea salt, and olive oil goes a long way.)

You might have to spend a little extra time figuring out how to eat them and which ones in particular cause you trouble, but there should be green and bright colors around your meat at all meals. (NO GRAINS!)

Also important is to not start eating the same vegetables all the time. (Happened to me once I figured out which ones I could eat.) You have to exercise moderation.

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on March 31, 2013
at 11:43 PM

My guess from your description is that you're eating the way you always did before, except you've eliminated grains, and you're seeing some progress in improvement in your skin and no cravings. So if you add grains back in, you can probably expect to go back to square one again.

Paleo is not just grain free because we believe cave men didn't eat grains, but also because we believe that grains are harmful to the body--they have various proteins and other compounds that can interfere with healthy gut flora and cause leaky gut syndrome and all of its sequelae. Grains, especially modern grains are not healthy for human beings.

I thought I was not grain intolerant either until I had been without them for some time and then had some. My body quickly let me know how badly I react to them, and--upon reflection--I used to feel that way all the time when I ate grains, I just thought that was NORMAL. It was not.

You've probably done some hard work to get yourself to be grain free, it would be a shame to have to start over again.

1a814058a4e7d39ddd930f5f81bb6acc

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on April 01, 2013
at 02:06 AM

Thank you for your feedback; I really appreciate it. However I think I should clarify that I haven't cut out ONLY grains... I've cut off sugar and cut WAAAAYY back on dairy. I used to consume large amounts of butter, cheese and cream every day. And I was eating more and more sugar too even if it was in the form of all-natural ice cream. Also, I recently started drinking home-brewed kombucha, so it really could be any one of those things...?

3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

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on April 04, 2013
at 03:25 PM

My personal experience has been that while the gestalt of all these changes were beneficial, grain elimination was the single most important in my health. But, hey, don't take my word for it. YMMV. Add grains back in and see how you do. No paleo police will come and get you.

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