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Is there any consensus in the Paleo world on how much veg I should eat?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM

One thing that going Paleo hasn't changed for me is the persistent worry that I don't eat enough veg for good health. I have IBS and am extremely sensitive to gas, so I eat low-FOPMAP and probably only about 2 servings of fruit (banana, berries) and 2-3 servings of veg a day. Is that enough in terms of my nutrient profile? The veg I eat are tubers, spinach, lettuces, tomatoes in summer, carrots, beets, sauerkraut.... that's pretty much it.

Are there any actual Paleo guidelines for veg, aside from eating what "works for you"?

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on October 15, 2012
at 01:51 AM

I'm finding myself consuming fewer and fewer veggies (and fruit) over time following a Paleo template. They seem to be less necessary when eating a high quality diet of meat, fish, eggs and dairy. I eat starches for variety and to keep out of ketosis. Some peeps w/ IBS seem to benefit from bone broths and the like, perhaps that might be a path for you to explore more?

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on October 14, 2012
at 10:05 PM

Taking some ideas from our Paleolithic ancestors is the point. I think that is a lot less extreme than re-creation.

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on October 14, 2012
at 08:12 PM

I categorize roots and tubers as vegetables, though they're more starch than anything. Still plants. You're probably at a fine level of plants with what you describe above. You're not on the Terry Wahls diet, but you're not SAD either.

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on October 14, 2012
at 06:59 PM

Matt, how do you respond to JayJay's comment?

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on October 14, 2012
at 04:57 PM

Honey is very highly regarded in HG societies, so by your logic should we be eating shit-tons of sucrose?

211d4075d68b24cd0aa7ebfa94262bb9

on October 14, 2012
at 04:49 PM

"It's not a recreation, regardless". Beg to differ. The entire point of the Paleo diet is to make some effort to consume foods similar to those that our ancestors consumed for thousands of generations.

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on October 14, 2012
at 03:50 PM

It's not a recreation, regardless.

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on October 14, 2012
at 04:08 PM

Not really a solid "consensus", but if you look to HG societies there is very little focus on vegetables. They focus on nutrient dense foods like meat...and if not that its roots, tubers, seeds, nuts and fruit. Vegetables and leafy greens are not highly regarded, which makes sense. If your going to expend energy procuring food why would you do so for 10 calories worth of lettuce? So essentially no there is no "paleo" or evolutionary argument to eating a shit ton of vegetables. Use em for culinary variety or because you like to....

You can thrive perfectly well on only a couple servings a day (if that).

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on October 14, 2012
at 04:57 PM

Honey is very highly regarded in HG societies, so by your logic should we be eating shit-tons of sucrose?

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on October 14, 2012
at 04:37 PM

No consensus, it's usually a heated debate. Low-veg low-carbers will point to the Inuit and say, "Look Ma! No veggies!" But the Inuit are an exception. The vast majority of other hunter-gatherers have a significant amount of carbohydrate (plants) in their diet.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 14, 2012
at 08:12 PM

I categorize roots and tubers as vegetables, though they're more starch than anything. Still plants. You're probably at a fine level of plants with what you describe above. You're not on the Terry Wahls diet, but you're not SAD either.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on October 14, 2012
at 06:59 PM

Matt, how do you respond to JayJay's comment?

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on October 14, 2012
at 05:00 PM

i also eat a low fodmaps diet and also no starches. i find that this limits my veggie choices a lot but the ones i do well with are zucchini, spinach, and carrots. i don't eat a lot of them at once- just one salad meal a day but i have a big piece of meat with it. i have one or two fruit meals a day and that's low fodmaps, too, so limited to bananas, pineapple, and strawberries right now.

bloating and gas are my biggest problems and i cheated yesterday and had dates. boy did i have a hard morning. i will not cheat again.

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on October 14, 2012
at 03:43 PM

Historically speaking, wouldn't the cave-diet still have been mostly vegetables, since it's not as though every hunt was successful? Maybe there was still plenty of fish, eggs and dried meat, but it takes work to bring down a buffalo or gazelle, or what-have-you. I'd imagine fresh meat and fats would have been more like 1-2 times per week. Or am I underestimating our ancestors' hunting abilities?

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on October 14, 2012
at 03:50 PM

It's not a recreation, regardless.

211d4075d68b24cd0aa7ebfa94262bb9

on October 14, 2012
at 04:49 PM

"It's not a recreation, regardless". Beg to differ. The entire point of the Paleo diet is to make some effort to consume foods similar to those that our ancestors consumed for thousands of generations.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on October 14, 2012
at 10:05 PM

Taking some ideas from our Paleolithic ancestors is the point. I think that is a lot less extreme than re-creation.

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on October 14, 2012
at 03:20 PM

I've never seen any guidelines for veggie consumption. Everyone seems to find their own way and opinions on optimum amounts vary. It seems to me that you've got enough variety in your veggies. Hopefully some FODMAPS folks will share their experience.

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