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Does cooking food in vegetable oil (crisco) negate any positive effects of eating those otherwise nutritious foods?

Commented on January 04, 2015
Created December 08, 2013 at 11:10 PM

My mother in law uses vegetable oil (Crisco brand made from soybeans) to cook everything.

She is Chinese and insists on using it despite us asking her not to. We have even purchased other options (coconut oil, lard, even high oleic sunflower oil which isn't ideal), but she prefers the taste of vegetable oil and will not budge. Dinner (every Sunday) consists of many vegetables and meats stir fried in the oil. She doesn't use a lot but I'm wondering if eating all these nutrient dense and fresh vegetables is negated by the fact that they're cooked in veg oil. She steams a fish for me each week that uses no veg oil, so I eat that for my protein, but I've been avoiding the vegetables mostly.

What do you guys think? Is it doing more harm than good eating greens cooked in veg oil? My gut says yes but I wonder if I'm being too uptight about it. We go there every week, sometimes twice so it's not just a few times a year kind if thing...hence my concern.

Thoughts please!

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on December 10, 2013
at 10:11 PM

I have also come to the conclusion that (while ineffective for me personally) baby steps can be a very effective behavior modification techniques

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on December 10, 2013
at 08:29 PM

Any actual studies that the ratio is more important than the magnitude?

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on December 10, 2013
at 08:28 PM

Ha. I do not use it myself. But given the option of canola oil or vegetable oil I would take canola oil every time.

Of course I am a bad paleo, I rarely used my bacon fat any more (I have three jars full that are going to this:

http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/27/its-a-candle-its-a-sauceboat/?_r=0). Extra Light Olive Oil or butter is about all I use now.

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on December 10, 2013
at 08:13 PM

CD, not you too?! Recommending canola oil as an incrementally better cooking fat? *faints*

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on December 09, 2013
at 11:05 PM

We brought her many options (listed above) and she still uses the veg oil -- she prefers the taste

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on December 09, 2013
at 02:23 AM

the cut&paste on this site is really, really, annoying

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on December 09, 2013
at 02:10 AM

Agreed :(

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on December 09, 2013
at 02:08 AM

....yuk

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on December 09, 2013
at 01:57 AM

Yes I do. The kind that I'm questioning is the Crisco Vegetable Oil brand which is made from soybeans. I've updated the question to be more specific...

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on December 09, 2013
at 01:53 AM

She would never serve me just steamed veggies. She would say "they have no taste!" followed by how my doctor is crazy to suggest such a thing. I definitely don't want to insult her because she goes out of her way to take care of us every week by cooking for us... I'm just wondering if I'm getting any kind of benefit from a nutrient standpoint even if the food is cooked in crisco...

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on December 09, 2013
at 01:49 AM

That's what I'm leaning towards... but I was just curious as to whether I'm doing more harm than good consuming all the veggies and meat (very nutritious on their own) along with all that awful oil.

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on December 09, 2013
at 01:39 AM

do you know what vegetable oil it actually is?

the term vegetable oil covers a lot (see wiki list), including some good ones such as coconut oil, palm (fruit) oil, palm kernel oil.

Even hydrogenated coconut/palm oils could be better than soy oil???

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on December 09, 2013
at 12:54 AM

Eat the veggies! Consuming actual vitamins/minerals are much more important than avoiding over-hyped anti-nutrients and toxins.

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on December 09, 2013
at 01:49 AM

That's what I'm leaning towards... but I was just curious as to whether I'm doing more harm than good consuming all the veggies and meat (very nutritious on their own) along with all that awful oil.

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on December 10, 2013
at 08:26 PM

Once or twice a week isn't going to be THAT detrimental. But it depends on why you're paleo really. If you're dealing with some pretty bad inflammation then it would help to avoid it. You could always make sure you're getting enough omega 3 to try to balance it out. I know veg oil isn't just about the omega 6 content but on the grand scheme of things i wouldn't say it's a deal breaker so long as it isn't constant. My mum used to do a roast with vegetable oil (until i got her onto butter) and it gave me a bit of an upset stomach. Still a lot less dramatic than gluten would have caused. Good luck.

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on December 10, 2013
at 08:29 PM

Any actual studies that the ratio is more important than the magnitude?

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on December 10, 2013
at 06:34 PM

Use canola oil. Its got virtually no taste (like vegetable oil), is about the same cost, and is substantially better for you than veg oil.

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on January 04, 2015
at 10:18 PM

o dear... canola oil isn't at all ok.  Its GMO and that's enough of a reason alone.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on December 10, 2013
at 08:13 PM

CD, not you too?! Recommending canola oil as an incrementally better cooking fat? *faints*

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on December 09, 2013
at 08:21 PM

Bring her some of your own palm or coconut oil or give it as a gift. I would steer clear of the veggie oil she uses.

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on December 09, 2013
at 11:05 PM

We brought her many options (listed above) and she still uses the veg oil -- she prefers the taste

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on December 09, 2013
at 02:16 AM

i found the following comment (regarding taking 100 IU Vitamin E p/d) by Ray Peat that may be worth some further investigation and possibly be of help,

Q: I have no control over oils when eating out. What can I do to offset the harmful effects of polyunsaturated oils?  
A: A small amount of these oils won't kill you. It is the proportion of them in your diet that matters. A little extra vitamin E (such as 100 units per day) will take care of an occasional American restaurant meal. 
Based on animal studies, it would take a teaspoonful per day of corn or soy oil added to a fat-free diet to significantly increase our risk of cancer. Unfortunately, it is impossible to devise a fat-free diet outside of a laboratory. Vegetables, grains, nuts, fish and meats all naturally contain large amounts of these oils, and the extra oil used in cooking becomes a more serious problem.

Source: Unsaturated Vegetable Oils: Toxic

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on December 09, 2013
at 02:23 AM

the cut&paste on this site is really, really, annoying

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on December 08, 2013
at 11:34 PM

Sounds no win. If you don't eat the veggies you are going to piss her off and if you do your health suffers somewhat, but who really knows how much? Seems like she could steam some veggies with the fish for you, tell her your doctor mandated it !

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on December 09, 2013
at 01:53 AM

She would never serve me just steamed veggies. She would say "they have no taste!" followed by how my doctor is crazy to suggest such a thing. I definitely don't want to insult her because she goes out of her way to take care of us every week by cooking for us... I'm just wondering if I'm getting any kind of benefit from a nutrient standpoint even if the food is cooked in crisco...

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