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Do you eat lots of (non-starchy) vegetables?

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Created January 15, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I don't do well with potatoes. At least not with sweet potatoes. Since I stopped eating greens, my health has been going down. I re-introduced some greens a while ago, but it's still far from great. Just adding more carbohydrates doesn't seem to work as expected.

How many of you still do the old-fashioned paleo diet (no safe starches, moderate fruit, ...) and eat a big amount of vegetables?

After all, wikipedia says :

Despite its relatively low carbohydrate content, the Paleolithic diet involves a substantial increase in consumption of fruit and vegetables, compared to the Western diet, potentially as high as 1.65 to 1.9 kg/day.

I got inspired by the TED talk with the woman who cured her MS... She ate 3 dinner plates full.

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on January 17, 2012
at 09:13 AM

sequential eating, i like that title. all i can say is its a beutiful way to eat real raw food. no stomach or intestinal issues what so ever. No gas no pain.

E57d8e182251b61ccc6ada197c359d7e

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on January 16, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Who is a paleo pioneer that doesn't recommend veg. With that said I am not saying people shouldn't do your own thing but I like to have a guide and i haven't seen anything from the current big 3 in paleo/primal(Mark Sisson,Robb Wolf, and Loren Cordain) who says don't eat veg. Also in 10 years since cordain released his first book he has changed his opinion on lean meat and sat fat. Most only recommend lean meat if its conventional. If its grass fed go to town. Like i said people should do whats best for them but i haven't seen anything about eating veg. I would like to see some info on that.

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on January 16, 2012
at 04:17 PM

I was the weird kid who, despite eating loads of junk food, was perfectly happy eating a pound of spinach in one sitting, so it wasn't too much of a stretch for me to eat a lot of tastier (to me) greens. I don't grow any food except mint, but I don't doubt that your kale tastes better than the stuff I buy. I think mine's delicious, but I'm sure home-grown would make anything else taste like dirt.

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on January 16, 2012
at 04:03 PM

I was inspired too, but that amount of green food I couldn't even do for a day. OTOH, just a few days of market food, even labeled organic, I want to eat more even though it tastes terrible and it never hits the spot. I am happy with 1-2 large leaves of my own kale.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 16, 2012
at 03:55 PM

I would probably like spruce tea

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 16, 2012
at 11:07 AM

If our ancestors relied mainly on nuts and berries for their calories, it is unlikely we would be here now. Nuts and berries were simply a part of the diet at certain times of the year.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 16, 2012
at 11:00 AM

This sounds similar to what Dr Staney Bass calls "Sequential Eating". I used to get a little bit of burning in my stomach, every night after my dinner. It turned out that it was because I always finished off with an apple. According to Bass, if you are going to eat fruit, it should be before eating things like meat and fish because fruit digest quicker. I ate the apple before the dinner and had no burning at all. It's really very simple. If anyone wants more info on this, look up Dr Stanley Bass, sequential eating.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on January 16, 2012
at 08:46 AM

That's interesting.... What's the theory?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on January 16, 2012
at 08:45 AM

Yeah, calories are a bit annoying. I just eat lots of coconut oil and some ghee.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on January 16, 2012
at 08:43 AM

Not everyone follows Cordain... Nobody here eats lean meats (I think), lots of people eat safe starches, ...

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on January 16, 2012
at 07:19 AM

Korion- fresh is good, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good. I love having fresh greens, but it's great having frozen stuff around in case I'm in a rush and I don't have time to go to the grocery store or I realize the fresh stuff I was planning to use is rotted.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 16, 2012
at 07:18 AM

Yeah, it's not a struggle to get greens anywhere. I wonder if The Loon would do OK on things I ate in the wild in Sweden, like spruce tea. People in those areas eat all kinds of strange plants that probably have similar properties to greens, but they are available in the winter.

De267f213b375efca5da07890e5efc25

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on January 16, 2012
at 06:09 AM

Mushrooms are good with guacamole too! You can get a box of Paleo friendly Wholly Guacamole 100 calorie packs at BJs if you have one near you. Other warehouses carry similar products (Costco too but the larger size).

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 16, 2012
at 01:59 AM

It is not a struggle at all. Depends where you live.

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on January 16, 2012
at 12:16 AM

Yes, I eat tons of greens, many more raw in the summer. I do berries and all kinds of non-starchy veggies, much heavier on the veggies. And I looooooooove mushroooms and eat them, a pile of them, sauteed in butter like 3 times or more a week, sometimes for a string of days.

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on January 15, 2012
at 09:17 PM

LOVE mushrooms too...they go in or on just bout everything for me...just chiming in.

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at 07:03 PM

Oh, and this is a bit of a side note, but the "Minding Your Mitochondria" video was also instrumental in explaining to people why I'm eating the way I am.

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:56 PM

Don't trust Wikipedia. Those figures aren't well supported. Eat as much veg as you like though.

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:55 PM

If they were available to our ancestors, then they would have been available to other animals as well surely? And those animals would have been available to us - more so in certain areas and climates than others.

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:55 PM

When I started paleo, I thought vegetables were extremely important too, but lately vegetables have become less popular, and safe starches have become da bomb. I really want some broccoli right now.

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at 06:53 PM

Probably worth looking at that closer Loon? Until pretty recently, you would have struggled to get greens for much of the year. It would be interesting to understand that better.

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:51 PM

Wouldn't fresh be better? There is an AMAZING organic store near my dorm. Has every vegetable I have ever seen and more. The only thing I can't find there are yams.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 15, 2012
at 06:28 PM

Just buy frozen spinach and throw it in with whatever you cook. If your country is anything like Sweden, you should have a good selection of frozen stuff. I liked the frozen garlic herbs they sold in Sweden too. All the similar stuff in the US has soy oil :(

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 15, 2012
at 06:27 PM

I don't know if they have much to do with mold allergy. I've been merrily eating them since I went paleo and this year my doc told me I don't even test positive for mold allergy.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Me too, really. But as a student, I just don't have the time anymore (the real story is that I'm lazy though). And funny enough, the less vegetables I eat, the less tired I become, the more I become lazy :).

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at 06:09 PM

Didn't yet. Mold allergy, you see... I've been afraid of them. I never ate them in my whole life, but for some reason I'm really tempted by them when I buy other veggies.

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:08 PM

Have you tried mushrooms? Nothing better for sopping up meat juice IMO.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on January 15, 2012
at 08:14 PM

I let the animals I eat eat my greens for me.

I prefer organ meats to most vegetables, so I eat liver 2 x /week, other organs once a month and 1-3 cups ofchard, spinach or salad a week. Very occasional potatoes.

Feel Great!

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:48 PM

Perhaps I got an odd version of paleo. I kind of thought the vegetables were the POINT. I'm not great at it, but my body is so much happier if half my plate at every meal is full of veggies. I hate salad, I really do. the only time my body craves it is in summer. But I eat it, because it's available and an easy way to get the veggies. Snow peas, green beans, squash (summer squash, zucchini, etc.), broccoli, brussels sprouts (brussels sprouts go really nicely with bacon), I do put carrots in my stew. Nuts, berries, and veggies were likely more available than meat to our ancestors. I was also inspired by that TED talk, Mind Your Mitochondria.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:55 PM

When I started paleo, I thought vegetables were extremely important too, but lately vegetables have become less popular, and safe starches have become da bomb. I really want some broccoli right now.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 16, 2012
at 11:07 AM

If our ancestors relied mainly on nuts and berries for their calories, it is unlikely we would be here now. Nuts and berries were simply a part of the diet at certain times of the year.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:55 PM

If they were available to our ancestors, then they would have been available to other animals as well surely? And those animals would have been available to us - more so in certain areas and climates than others.

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E57d8e182251b61ccc6ada197c359d7e

on January 15, 2012
at 07:44 PM

Where does this no veg come from? Cordain's new book talks a lot about them and there importance. Starch veg are only important for replenishing glycogen after hard workouts. You can easily get buy with no starches.

E57d8e182251b61ccc6ada197c359d7e

(623)

on January 16, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Who is a paleo pioneer that doesn't recommend veg. With that said I am not saying people shouldn't do your own thing but I like to have a guide and i haven't seen anything from the current big 3 in paleo/primal(Mark Sisson,Robb Wolf, and Loren Cordain) who says don't eat veg. Also in 10 years since cordain released his first book he has changed his opinion on lean meat and sat fat. Most only recommend lean meat if its conventional. If its grass fed go to town. Like i said people should do whats best for them but i haven't seen anything about eating veg. I would like to see some info on that.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on January 16, 2012
at 08:43 AM

Not everyone follows Cordain... Nobody here eats lean meats (I think), lots of people eat safe starches, ...

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 15, 2012
at 07:33 PM

Most of the meat I eat is fatty and I eat a lot of whole eggs. I hardly ever eat fruit. I don't eat or seem to get on well with any vegetables that need cooking and quite a few that don't. I have gone without vegetables for days on end just to see how I got on and have always felt perfectly fine and had no desire for vegetables at all but I have just a few salad vegetables with my dinner, most days just in case I might be missing out on something.

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D8f58eba263277ec6119293137b85b02

on January 15, 2012
at 07:02 PM

I eat a ridiculous amount of kale - I too was inspired by Dr. Terry Wahls (she turned me to the paleolithic diet, in fact) and try to eat like her in terms of all the leafy greens. I have fibromyalgia and intense migraines, so that video really encouraged me, and I am noticing an improvement in my health.

I actually don't eat too many other vegetables regularly besides broccoli and spinach (both of which I usually buy as frozen organic), which is supposedly bad but I'm so happy and satisfied with my kale that I don't really care. I usually steam a heaping pan of it with lots of garlic, then top it with extra virgin olive oil and a bit of sea salt, which may or may not be accompanied by some meat/seafood.

Oh, I do buy organic romaine lettuce sometimes, but it's so bland and not really as nutrient-dense as I'd prefer my greens to be.

D8f58eba263277ec6119293137b85b02

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on January 15, 2012
at 07:03 PM

Oh, and this is a bit of a side note, but the "Minding Your Mitochondria" video was also instrumental in explaining to people why I'm eating the way I am.

D8f58eba263277ec6119293137b85b02

(1061)

on January 16, 2012
at 04:17 PM

I was the weird kid who, despite eating loads of junk food, was perfectly happy eating a pound of spinach in one sitting, so it wasn't too much of a stretch for me to eat a lot of tastier (to me) greens. I don't grow any food except mint, but I don't doubt that your kale tastes better than the stuff I buy. I think mine's delicious, but I'm sure home-grown would make anything else taste like dirt.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 16, 2012
at 04:03 PM

I was inspired too, but that amount of green food I couldn't even do for a day. OTOH, just a few days of market food, even labeled organic, I want to eat more even though it tastes terrible and it never hits the spot. I am happy with 1-2 large leaves of my own kale.

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:31 PM

I eat lots of kale sauteed in butter w/garlic and shallots. Creamed spinach and romaine lettuce salads. Plus meats, chicken/turkey and sea foods. Hardly any fruits except in the summer months, then it's fresh berries w/cream. I had a bad experience with bananas, tried to do green smoothies and doubled over with stomach pain. Learned a lesson fast.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:26 PM

I have a huge leafy salad most days. I do occasionally skip a day but I find myself thinking about salad the next morning.

I also add a lot of vegetables to my bone broth stews and omelets. As the veggies are eaten out of the stew, I keep adding fresh ones to cook in.

I have 2-3 cups of fresh fruit daily plus water kefir. I seem to naturally rotate acid, sweet and starchy fruits over time but the constant is grapefruit.

White or sweet potatoes are an occasional thing for me; they don't "call" to me so I frequently forget. I do enjoy add slices of rutabaga to my stews though. Or celery root.

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8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:05 PM

I do the old-fashioned paleo diet, except for fattier meats. Honestly, I don't know how people do it without lots of greens. If I don't have them for even a day, I feel off.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Me too, really. But as a student, I just don't have the time anymore (the real story is that I'm lazy though). And funny enough, the less vegetables I eat, the less tired I become, the more I become lazy :).

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 15, 2012
at 06:53 PM

Probably worth looking at that closer Loon? Until pretty recently, you would have struggled to get greens for much of the year. It would be interesting to understand that better.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on January 15, 2012
at 06:51 PM

Wouldn't fresh be better? There is an AMAZING organic store near my dorm. Has every vegetable I have ever seen and more. The only thing I can't find there are yams.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 16, 2012
at 07:18 AM

Yeah, it's not a struggle to get greens anywhere. I wonder if The Loon would do OK on things I ate in the wild in Sweden, like spruce tea. People in those areas eat all kinds of strange plants that probably have similar properties to greens, but they are available in the winter.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 15, 2012
at 06:28 PM

Just buy frozen spinach and throw it in with whatever you cook. If your country is anything like Sweden, you should have a good selection of frozen stuff. I liked the frozen garlic herbs they sold in Sweden too. All the similar stuff in the US has soy oil :(

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 16, 2012
at 03:55 PM

I would probably like spruce tea

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 16, 2012
at 07:19 AM

Korion- fresh is good, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good. I love having fresh greens, but it's great having frozen stuff around in case I'm in a rush and I don't have time to go to the grocery store or I realize the fresh stuff I was planning to use is rotted.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on January 16, 2012
at 01:59 AM

It is not a struggle at all. Depends where you live.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on January 15, 2012
at 05:41 PM

I eat about a pound of non-starchy vegetables a day and feel best when I do. Yes, I would consider mine to be the tried and true old school version. Or just call it Primal....

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Cf4576cbcc44fc7f2294135609bce9e5

on January 16, 2012
at 06:45 AM

i dont mix my meals up. i eat a meat meal a vegetable meal and a fruit meal. i have a theory thats how food is found in nature and thats better for digestion. digestion is time dependant, and these three foods groups require there own times for proper digestion.any way it has been working great for me. the only starch i eat is a banana snack.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 16, 2012
at 11:00 AM

This sounds similar to what Dr Staney Bass calls "Sequential Eating". I used to get a little bit of burning in my stomach, every night after my dinner. It turned out that it was because I always finished off with an apple. According to Bass, if you are going to eat fruit, it should be before eating things like meat and fish because fruit digest quicker. I ate the apple before the dinner and had no burning at all. It's really very simple. If anyone wants more info on this, look up Dr Stanley Bass, sequential eating.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on January 16, 2012
at 08:46 AM

That's interesting.... What's the theory?

Cf4576cbcc44fc7f2294135609bce9e5

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on January 17, 2012
at 09:13 AM

sequential eating, i like that title. all i can say is its a beutiful way to eat real raw food. no stomach or intestinal issues what so ever. No gas no pain.

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De267f213b375efca5da07890e5efc25

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on January 16, 2012
at 06:18 AM

I used to follow the Cordain Paleo diet but just couldn't get the calories I needed to maintain my weight (I'm borderline underweight now). I tried eating more but you just can't eat enough lean mean and fruit to do it. I switched to PHD. Surprisingly, without dairy, it's pretty hard to get enough fat into my diet as well to regain weight but at least I'm stable now. I eat 200 - 300 calories of safe starches a day but aim for the nutrient rich ones; I try not to eat white rice or white potato. Sweet potatoes, yams, Jicama, carrots, etc are my choice starches, as are starchy fruits like bananas and plantains.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on January 16, 2012
at 08:45 AM

Yeah, calories are a bit annoying. I just eat lots of coconut oil and some ghee.

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