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Created September 13, 2012 at 11:40 AM

I'm on a strict a Paleo diet except for vegetables (I only digest avocados) and fruits (I only tolerate berries). Anything else (veggies) I try to eat gives me bad bloating, IBS and unbearable insomnia.

In the last weeks I used juicing 2 cups a day of vegetables and fruits (high-fodmap-free).

Everything worked well, my insomnia almost disappeared, my intestine worked perfect, etc..

Yesterday, I tried to blend veggies (instead of juicing, I'm not even trying to eat them cooked or raw) and all my problems came back in a few hours.

My question is: what is (for example) the amount of carbs in a peeled juiced orange? Are there any carbs in it? And what about the rest of nutrients in the juice? What am I missing removing fibers?

What's the purpose of fibers except slowing down your digestion and making you feel full?

I don't have a problem (at all) with carbs. Actually I would like to increase them (I'm insanely skinny and would like to put some weight on to at least look healthy) but cannot spend my day only eating avocados and berries.

Thanks, Michael

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on September 13, 2012
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Her condition has not been corrected; we fear it will be lifelong. She only recently received her diagnosis (within the last year) and since being put on a nearly pure liquid/zero fiber diet, has been able to put on nearly 10 pounds. Before she would vomit (among other issues) after basically every meal. I'm not advocating to stop kefir or kombucha, I would just discuss the issue with your doctor and/or be aware of your fiber intake and the result it has on your digestion. If removing fiber works (which will slow your digestion speed) you at least have a starting point to work from.

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on September 13, 2012
at 07:13 PM

Why are you suggesting to stop water kefir and kombucha? Is there a specific reason behind that? Thanks.

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on September 13, 2012
at 06:19 PM

Well, my plan was to start with juicing, then moving to blending, cooked and raw veg. So far only the first plan seems to work without too many damages. IS your sister ok now? I mean, can she deviate from the diet without suffering digestive issues? In case, how long did it take to fix it? Thanks.

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on September 13, 2012
at 06:18 PM

I will try to see if Theralac is available in Italy. Do you know if these probiotics are sold as refrigerated? It seems all the others on the shelves only contain dead bacteria.

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on September 13, 2012
at 04:40 PM

Thanks a lot. I've only tried store bought sauerkraut and I felt very bad. Someone suggested that store bough sauerkraut might contain certain toxic chemicals for my gut. So I should try homemade sauerkraut (will do it). I heard of L-Glutamine and will consider it. In Italy everything is so complicated and doctors have no clue how to heal your gut. After bombing you with useless meds they just tell you you're too stressed and there's nothing else you can do about it. All the others recommend to eat tons of veggies but I just can't. Thank God PaleoHacks exists!

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on September 13, 2012
at 01:47 PM

haha. good catch MathGirl. I HATE TYPING ON THE IPAD :). Corrected.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

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on September 13, 2012
at 01:46 PM

I don't know either. But my gut does. Thanks.

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on September 13, 2012
at 01:43 PM

304 oranges? I don't think so!

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on September 13, 2012
at 01:24 PM

Michael, none of those fruits and veggies are especially high in fiber. 1-2g each. I don't see how juicing vs pureeing those would make any difference

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on September 13, 2012
at 01:16 PM

Endive, Carrot, Cucumber, Blueberries, Kiwi.

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at 12:48 PM

Yes, I have. I do consume water kefir and kombucha daily. Fermented vegetables can't be tolerated from my intestine.

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on September 13, 2012
at 12:03 PM

What veggies did you "blend" yesterday - can you provide more details?

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on September 13, 2012
at 05:16 PM

Michael, I would recommend discontinuing the water kefir and kombucha (temporarily) and using a probiotic called Theralac every day for 2 weeks. Then use Theralac every other day, and reintroduce veggies. See what happens. Your symptoms may be alleviated.

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on September 13, 2012
at 06:18 PM

I will try to see if Theralac is available in Italy. Do you know if these probiotics are sold as refrigerated? It seems all the others on the shelves only contain dead bacteria.

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on September 13, 2012
at 05:53 PM

My sister has some obscure digestive disorder that creates huge problems if she deviates from a specific diet. The biggest thing she has to avoid (aside from the obvious culprits like alcohol) is fiber. Blending will retain the vegetables' fiber content, while juicing should remove it. IIRC, Avocado (which is a fruit actually) is relatively low in fiber (6.7g for a medium fruit) while most leafy greens are high in fiber. It might be worth looking into.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

(261)

on September 13, 2012
at 06:19 PM

Well, my plan was to start with juicing, then moving to blending, cooked and raw veg. So far only the first plan seems to work without too many damages. IS your sister ok now? I mean, can she deviate from the diet without suffering digestive issues? In case, how long did it take to fix it? Thanks.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

(261)

on September 13, 2012
at 07:13 PM

Why are you suggesting to stop water kefir and kombucha? Is there a specific reason behind that? Thanks.

193f00d53ebcb13940c7a55afc78ad17

(1260)

on September 13, 2012
at 09:05 PM

Her condition has not been corrected; we fear it will be lifelong. She only recently received her diagnosis (within the last year) and since being put on a nearly pure liquid/zero fiber diet, has been able to put on nearly 10 pounds. Before she would vomit (among other issues) after basically every meal. I'm not advocating to stop kefir or kombucha, I would just discuss the issue with your doctor and/or be aware of your fiber intake and the result it has on your digestion. If removing fiber works (which will slow your digestion speed) you at least have a starting point to work from.

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on September 13, 2012
at 03:23 PM

What happens if you eat fermented veggies (you just say "can't be tolerated")? Not tolerating them well initially is not uncommon when dealing with gut dysbiosis. It can improve over time, but it's not an easy road. L-Glutamine can help with gut health as well. it may take several months to see improvement, but taking 1 teaspoon in a glass of water, first thing in the morning, on an empty stomach, can improve intestinal health.

A87123772dfaec07079b8fac17b20372

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on September 13, 2012
at 04:40 PM

Thanks a lot. I've only tried store bought sauerkraut and I felt very bad. Someone suggested that store bough sauerkraut might contain certain toxic chemicals for my gut. So I should try homemade sauerkraut (will do it). I heard of L-Glutamine and will consider it. In Italy everything is so complicated and doctors have no clue how to heal your gut. After bombing you with useless meds they just tell you you're too stressed and there's nothing else you can do about it. All the others recommend to eat tons of veggies but I just can't. Thank God PaleoHacks exists!

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on September 13, 2012
at 01:18 PM

On to your questions:

My question is: what is (for example) the amount of carbs in a peeled juiced orange? Are there any carbs in it? And what about the rest of nutrients in the juice? What am I missing removing fibers?

A cup of pure orange juice will have about 25g of carbohydrates, the vast majority (22g or so) are sugar. A cup of orange juice (assuming it's just the juice of the orange) is about 3-4 oranges.

You will get a lot of vitamin C, some vitamin A, some Potassium, and negligible amounts of iron and protein.

If you remove the fiber you loose the fiber (about 4g fiber in an orange).

What's the purpose of fibers except slowing down your digestion and making you feel full?

an Orange is about 50/50 Soluble and Insoluble fiber.

Soluble fiber is what slows digestion and makes you feel full. They are soluble (as the name suggest) and absorb water enhancing our ability to absorb the nutrients in the foods we eat. Soluble fiber is also fermented within the stomach and a portion of it is turned into a gas that helps breakdown certain foods (and can cause stomach pains in too high of quantity)

Insoluble fiber is not broken down by the body. It passes through your system essentially undigested. This add bulk to the stool and may help keep you regular (although this may not be the case: http://chriskresser.com/myths-and-truths-about-fiber)

Ultimately though, an orange is not going to be your primary source of fiber. Juicing removes some fiber, but the total fiber is pretty insignificant. I'd imagine the ACTUAL veggies (Avocados are berries, not vegetables) that are in your concoction are more important from a fiber standpoint.

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on September 13, 2012
at 01:43 PM

304 oranges? I don't think so!

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on September 13, 2012
at 01:47 PM

haha. good catch MathGirl. I HATE TYPING ON THE IPAD :). Corrected.

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on September 13, 2012
at 12:15 PM

You obviously have gut disbiosis. Consume a lot of probiotics. That would mean fermented vegetables, kombutcha, kimchi salads etc.

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on September 13, 2012
at 12:48 PM

Yes, I have. I do consume water kefir and kombucha daily. Fermented vegetables can't be tolerated from my intestine.

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