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What role did vegetarianism/veganism play in Steve Jobs' health?

Asked on January 11, 2015
Created October 07, 2011 at 6:53 AM

I'm kind of surprised that this has not been brought up yet, but for myself, it was one of the first questions I asked to myself when I heard of Steve Jobs' death. Given the nature of his health problems with his pancreatic cancer and then his liver transplant I wonder if his dietary lifestyle contributed to his early death.

I had a relative who developed dementia and Alzheimer's at a very early age, he was a very active and extreme vegan. His doctor told him--believe it or not--that he wasn't eating enough fat, but as far as I know he continued to eat this way and his wife continued to prepare vegan food for him in his last days. He was in his mid-60's when he passed.

I don't think you need tons of animal products to live a long and healthy life, but I certainly do think if you are a vegan or vegetarian that, liver, eggs, and dairy are invaluable for sustaining health.

Comment: I think it's unfortunate the Jobs' passed. However, this is something important to discuss, maybe it's too close to home, I'm not sure. People tend to have some pretty hard and fast opinions when we aren't discussing particular examples and citing studies of groups of "nameless" people. But when we bring in a real world example all of the sudden those opinions fall to the wayside and we no longer know anything anymore?

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on December 14, 2012
at 03:17 AM

Colonel Sanders at 90 got the same results eating fried chicken. That's a lot more fun than having to wear hemp sandals and dreadlocks, and always be a serious pain in the ass around non-vegans.

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(10601)

on December 14, 2012
at 03:10 AM

It just doesn't matter about all that. It's clear that his diet did not result in longevity so is not a model to emulate. But his behavior - wonking his diet - might be a part of his personality that explains his creativity and risk taking.

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(10601)

on December 14, 2012
at 03:03 AM

That is hands down Quilt's best line ever.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19483)

on July 17, 2012
at 03:25 PM

You forgot to say "Trolololo" at the end of this. The "studies" you cite are flawed and sponsored by big agra. The fact that a vegan diet needs to be "well planned" speaks volumes as to its flaws. If that's the path you've chosen, I feel sorry for you, but it's your health and your path, so be it, but there are plenty of studies that show that a vegan diet is detrimental. Sorry to say, but those who have an agenda, and the most to profit it from it, have managed to feed you the proper propaganda to fool you into harming yourself and handing them your money.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on April 10, 2012
at 12:37 AM

I didn't know he went through such extremes with food in his lifetime. That's really sad.

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(24543)

on November 03, 2011
at 02:39 PM

Well played. Very well played.

A77367da988f5065d4aec08c0675178a

(70)

on November 01, 2011
at 07:54 PM

Wozniak spent way more time doing hands on circuit board work. Steve was the marketer and salesman.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on November 01, 2011
at 06:03 AM

Sounds like he ate horseshit long before he got cancer. zing. Then I think we agree that it's very hard to tell what the deal was, he was probably suffering from many nutritional deficiencies even in excess of the usual deficiencies you find on a vegetarian diet. Like ultra wacko tin-foil-hat stuff compared to the usual more moderate heard-it-was-healthy-from-a-friend-and-decided-to-marry-it nutritional vegetarianism or simply avoiding-animal-foods-for-various-fallacious-ethical-reasons vegetarianism.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on November 01, 2011
at 06:01 AM

Sounds like he ate horseshit long before he got cancer. zing. Then I think we agree that it's very hard to tell what the deal was, he was probably suffering from many nutritional deficiencies even in excess of the usual deficiencies you find on a vegetarian diet. Like ultra wacko tin-foil-hat stuff compared to the usual more moderate heard-it-was-healthy-from-a-friend-and-decided-to-marry-it nutritional vegetarianism.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 27, 2011
at 10:00 AM

http://knowledgeofhealth.com/was-steve-jobs-really-a-difficult-patient/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=was-steve-jobs-really-a-difficult-patient

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on October 27, 2011
at 05:16 AM

Why are you so concerned with down votes? We're all entitled to our opinions and knowing that I'm in the minority doesn't change mine unless points are made that change my thinking. You should say what you think/feel regardless of what I or others may say (or vote.)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 19, 2011
at 05:12 PM

It's funny because the first link talks about Gonzalez "Gonzalez, you may recall, is the originator of the “Gonzalez therapy” for pancreatic cancer, a therapy involving various juices, dietary manipulations, coffee enemas, and many, many supplements, as many as 150 pills per day. Also recall that his therapy, besides having no biological plausibility, has been convincingly demonstrated not to work."

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

(1906)

on October 19, 2011
at 04:57 PM

@Eric - It seems Jobs didn't have pancreatic cancer, he had a neuroendocrine tumour that began at his pancreas. (http://www.quora.com/Steve-Jobs/Why-did-Steve-Jobs-choose-not-to-effectively-treat-his-cancer)

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19483)

on October 19, 2011
at 04:46 PM

From all the Apple history books I've read, this was not the case. Apple provided fresh fruit juices and healthy snacks to its employees, at least in the Macintosh group of that era. Woz is known to eat junk food, no Jobs. There might be a link to fructose, but, it's doubtful that Jobs himself ate junk food. See: Return to the Little Kingdom and West of Eden.

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(1880)

on October 19, 2011
at 04:44 PM

Gonzalez is a brilliant physician and has a rebuttal to the study conclusions posted on his web site: http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/jco_rebuttal.htm

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 12, 2011
at 02:53 PM

Not being facetious I wrote that sarcastically unfortunately language isn't that precise. But do I have a salty wound for folks who take the time to criticize but then don't take the time to read what they are criticizing. No problem with justified criticism or differing opinions. Sometimes a slap on the wrist starts the brain working again or enhances reading comprehension. I'm sure you can appreciate that. http://huntgatherlove.com/ We're all guilty of it, including me. By all means slap me on the wrist.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 11, 2011
at 11:44 AM

Edward, no reason to be facetious. The study wasn't perfect.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 11, 2011
at 05:50 AM

What part of 80 years of data didn't you understand?

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 11, 2011
at 05:50 AM

Sorry but yes. What part of 80 years of data didn't you understand.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 11, 2011
at 05:49 AM

Sorry but yes. Blasted.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on October 10, 2011
at 04:29 AM

So he lived an extra year w/ cancer, would that make me consider going vegetarian/vegan? NO.I think NOT getting the cancer in the first place would make me consider vegetarian/veganism, but that was not the case here. If cancer was unavoidable, then beating the cancer and living out the remainder of life cancer free would also make me consider it, but that was not the case here either. I'll just stick to paleo, give my pancreas a break, and hope to avoid the cancer in the first place. fingers crossed.

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(5152)

on October 09, 2011
at 11:56 PM

Doubt it was vegan or vegetarian diet. Programmers usually subsist on sodas, loads of them when they work. Many have erratic work hours and drink a 6 pack of soda all night. What's available from snack machines are candies and potato chips. Back in the 80s, water wasn't even available and diet versions weren't widely available. Baby Ruth + Doritos + Dr. Pepper + all nighters and weekend work ==> Terminal Pancreatic Cancer, easy.

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on October 09, 2011
at 09:49 PM

immunosuppressive drugs used to keep the liver from rejecting is no help either, that just shoots down the very system that protects you from cancer. Vegans, vegetarians, have higher insulin if they are avoiding animal meat. Heck, Jack Lalanne was a juicer all his life...he should have been diabetic 50 years ago, but he was one tough cookie with all his exercise!

5740b342b3b4ca4af7625f9505f7eb5d

(281)

on October 09, 2011
at 02:46 PM

Am I eating a paleo diet? Yes. Not sure what thats got to do with this.

Bbaeb252415d6123214e1b98c17117ac

(414)

on October 09, 2011
at 01:02 PM

I think the "survivorship bias" may be an issue. So, for example, we study a group of 100 year olds and find out that 50% ate junk food, and 50% ate healthy. Even odds? But what about those who died before their 100th birthday? Maybe for each junk food eater survivor a hundred died earlier, but for each health eater only a dozen died early ... not so rosy for junk eaters anymore? Did the book cover that?

F15e0bae42dbf0b8cfc71e62902497b4

(2036)

on October 09, 2011
at 05:50 AM

The results of a clinical trial of the Gonzalez regimen on patients with pancreatic cancer were reported in 2009; compared to patients receiving conventional care, those taking part in the Gonzalez regimen died faster and experienced worse quality of life.[4] citation: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2860407/?tool=pmcentrez

F15e0bae42dbf0b8cfc71e62902497b4

(2036)

on October 09, 2011
at 05:47 AM

the liver transplant is an experimental treatment for pancreatic cancer.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on October 09, 2011
at 12:34 AM

Jobs often worked very long hours and through the entire night... http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20071130/night_shift-work-may-cause-cancer http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/11/825.full http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/142454.php http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21853136 Heh..had to include the last one for Quilt...teleomeres....

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 08, 2011
at 02:35 PM

I know, what ever happened to RIP?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 08, 2011
at 02:30 PM

Its a very small cause.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 08, 2011
at 02:27 PM

He survived because he had the money and resources to have a whipple and a liver transplant close to initial diagnosis....big difference

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 08, 2011
at 02:26 PM

Maj totally agree on the iv vitamin c and k supplements for cancer. Curcumin is another biggie with D and Se in this particular cancer

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 08, 2011
at 02:24 PM

Some fish is not going offset a mostly vegan approach. That like wearing a kevlar vest while sitting on an exploding nuclear weapon

485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

(2191)

on October 08, 2011
at 12:30 PM

I'm guessing. That's usually why the liver fails.

88905cfc5bb098ad3830671a1af373a8

(803)

on October 08, 2011
at 12:09 AM

One of his last meals was a sushi dinner with...wait for it...Dr. Dean Ornish. Source: New York Times

Medium avatar

(19479)

on October 07, 2011
at 11:01 PM

I wonder if anyone has studied the correlation between excessive banana consumption and douchebaggery.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Are you a practicing paleolithic era eater grasshopper?

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 09:58 PM

Seems to make a difference in CVD in India.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 09:57 PM

BTW, I think the exceptions are relevant not amusing. Just wanted to clear that up :)

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 09:54 PM

I have a steady stream of Coke and ice cream, I'm pretty sure we do have it all wrong. I read a good book called "The Longevity Study", 80 years of data and they found no correlation to diet in those with long lives. What was common? A thirst for life and a desire to live, these people were not concerned with what they ate, no magic foods, no magic potions, just happy to live. I think it's hilarious and it's evolution's built in mechanism to weed out those who are unproductive and worry about how many eggs they are going to have each day.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 07, 2011
at 09:35 PM

how do u know he had fatty liver?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 07, 2011
at 09:11 PM

I dunno, mang..

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 07, 2011
at 09:08 PM

Good post Olivia.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on October 07, 2011
at 07:33 PM

A clarification. Steve Jobs started eating FISH in the last few years following his cancer, he was NOT 100% vegan as he was in the rest of his life previously. Apple employees would see him even eat sushi in the Apple cafeteria! But I don't think that he ever went full on meat. I live in the Bay Area and know a few people who knew him (I met him once quickly too, he was kind). Personally, I think that his vegan diet had a bad role on his cancer. When he decided to eat fish, I guess it was too late.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on October 07, 2011
at 06:59 PM

Agreed. Even the best therapy just improves your chances. There are still going to be individuals who die.

5740b342b3b4ca4af7625f9505f7eb5d

(281)

on October 07, 2011
at 01:49 PM

But speculation exists on a spectrum, does it not? Hypothesis testing, on people who are still alive and can report back, is one thing. Hypothesis testing on people already passed in my mind is another kind of speculation altogether. I dont mean to pick an unnecessary battle with you: my answer is neither yes or no, my answer is more lateral! You can pick your question, but you can't pick your answers too, Edward J :P

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 07, 2011
at 01:47 PM

That's what always amuses people...all these junk-food eating people living to be 100. Maybe we have it all wrong and the junk food is protective. Considering a lot of food I eat is stereotypically junk food (bacon, coconut, etc), I think I've got it covered.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 01:44 PM

His close friend Bill Gates is also a workaholic and junk food eater. When we consider this... it's these two that really brings the question of vegetarianism into the picture. Could it be that the two of the richest men in the world hit the genetic and money lottery that keeps them protected from diseases of civilization? It's possible but unlikely.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 01:39 PM

I'm not sure if the workaholic thing is applicable if you love what you do. We have Warren Buffet who has peanuts and Coke for breakfast, and his daughter stated that they don't think they ever saw him have a glass of water, he eats out almost all the time, and he doesn't eat hardly any vegetables except tomato. I'd classify him as a workaholic, however, he doesn't sit in front of a screen, he doesn't have a computer at his desk. He seems to be thriving just fine along with his 85 year old partner who in every picture you see of him has a diet Coke in his hand.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

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on October 07, 2011
at 01:30 PM

Very interesting, thank you for sharing that information.

Bbaeb252415d6123214e1b98c17117ac

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on October 07, 2011
at 01:28 PM

If that's true, that's really horrible. I think he was at his peak or very close to in the last few years (in terms of career and creativity), if only he could live at least 10 more ...

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 07, 2011
at 01:22 PM

Olivia, I applaud you for standing up to the woo that sometimes bleeds in here.

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

(5801)

on October 07, 2011
at 01:08 PM

According to WHO, with his type of islet cell carcinoma, survival is 2-6 years. However, with treatment, he would have probably won the battle but this is all speculation because we don't get "do-overs."

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on October 07, 2011
at 01:02 PM

He didn't actually beat the odds. Most people with the type of pancreatic cancer he had survive longer than him.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on October 07, 2011
at 12:58 PM

Vitamin D deficiency may have played a bigger role than his diet.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 12:34 PM

I'm looking more from the perspective that his initial health ills were caused by his extreme diet, no what happened after. I'm looking at it from a more preventative angle i.e. could it have been avoided.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 12:32 PM

There is nothing emotional about the question. More simply the question is yes/no, do you believe it had something to do with his initial decline in health. Perhaps I should have phrased it differently. But yes it is a speculative question. This entire site is speculative.

5740b342b3b4ca4af7625f9505f7eb5d

(281)

on October 07, 2011
at 11:34 AM

That you suggest it is such a sore point for you is, for me, the most informative part of your posting on this. You are criticising emotional reasoning, which I applaud, but then follow with an emotional rebuttal, that uses emotional reasoning. Easily done...

5740b342b3b4ca4af7625f9505f7eb5d

(281)

on October 07, 2011
at 11:31 AM

"I know we'd all like to think that eating the perfect diet or whatever will prevent cancer (or any other disease) ever developing, or cure them once they've developed, and that cancer is solely a disease of civilization, but that's not how it works. The potential for the development of cancer is something that goes along with being a multi-cellular organism. We can't escape that." - This is the longest string of assumptions, presented as fact, I have seen on paleohacks in a long time.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 09:20 AM

I too have lost many relatives to cancer.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 09:19 AM

Not really a valid response. I mind as well become a vegan then since we don't have the answers yet.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on October 07, 2011
at 08:40 AM

Pancreatic enzymes have shown good results in treating pancreatic cancer as well.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2011
at 08:10 AM

Or Gerson therapy...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2011
at 08:10 AM

Other mechanism also showed to prolong life even further and sometimes even cure cancer, like that IV C protocol with K3 vitamin.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2011
at 08:09 AM

I do think that conventional treatment are wrong because cancer is defect in immune system and conventional treatments further bring it down. They may prolong life few years (~5 at most) but at the cost of very very bad daily living.

3432683fc74c2d2a40efe1e8f16ac1f6

(1130)

on October 07, 2011
at 08:08 AM

Mankind's knowledge of the human is not that advanced yet to be able to answer your question.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 08:03 AM

That's understandable, it's a tough problem, especially when we can go through life thinking we are doing something healthy and then something happens that challenges that paradigm. It seems random in a lot of cases--cancer--but there is always a cause, obviously haven't figured it out yet. It's like a car, you can take very good care of it, change the oil, etc. Eventually though the parts wear out.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:55 AM

I'm also in total agreement that veganism is in no way a biologically appropriate diet for humans. The fact that so many people consider is an ideal diet for health is mind-boggling.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:54 AM

I'm sorry for using your post as a springboard to rant about this. It's a pretty big sore spot for me, though.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:50 AM

yep, I wasn't talking about your post specifically, just a general trend i've noticed in the paleo community. please don't feel like i'm accusing you!

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:49 AM

He didn't develop cancer in his liver initially. It metastasized from his pancreas, AFAIK. So the fact that "the liver is a resilient organ" doesn't exactly enter into it.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 07:48 AM

I don't think there is anything wrong at all with conventional treatment if it is used correctly.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 07:44 AM

The question is not about what exactly he ate, it was the overall lifestyle. As somebody who worked in Pathology for 6 years I saw several cancer specimens daily, and I can say for certain that while it can't be tied down to a specific food or drink, I can say from reading the case histories that lifestyle choices certainly play a role, to what extent is a valid question but not the ONLY variable. The liver is a very resilient organ, it doesn't just go bad overnight for no reason, if it does than yes, it is typically from an outside cause.

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7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:20 AM

First of all I don't think any of us can actually answer the title question with any confidence at all.

Second, I know I will get downvoted for saying this because a lot of people in the paleo community seem to be severely against almost ANY mainstream medicine, but I feel that Steve Jobs' death may have had more to do with him delaying conventional treatment for many months than it had to do with his diet.

You know, cancer kills all the time. It killed before we had the ability to detect it or know what had killed someone, and it kills now that we have knowledge to find it and try and get rid of it and then speculate about how if only someone had eaten this or not eaten that, they might have survived. It kills despite whatever crackpot theory you want to believe about how fasting or meditating or praying or avoiding animal protein or eating nothing but animal protein will cure your cancer. That's the bottom line. It's tragic and terrible, but it's unavoidable. I know we'd all like to think that eating the perfect diet or whatever will prevent cancer (or any other disease) ever developing, or cure them once they've developed, and that cancer is solely a disease of civilization, but that's not how it works. The potential for the development of cancer is something that goes along with being a multi-cellular organism. We can't escape that.

In order to try and stem the downvotes- please don't get me wrong here, I am well aware of how much environmental factors contribute to cancer, especially certain types like mesothelioma where it's more or less ALL environment. But if you think you think environment is the ONLY contributing factor, in any and all types of cancer, you are wrong. I really really really (really!) wish that wasn't true. But- many of us will eat carefully, exercise properly, minimize stress, but still die of cancer. And some of us will smoke, spend hours in the sun each day, eat poorly, drink too much, and live stressful lives, only to doge to cancer bullet and die peacefully in our nineties of something else after a life of good health just like the rest of our relatives. We have less control than we think.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2011
at 08:10 AM

Other mechanism also showed to prolong life even further and sometimes even cure cancer, like that IV C protocol with K3 vitamin.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:50 AM

yep, I wasn't talking about your post specifically, just a general trend i've noticed in the paleo community. please don't feel like i'm accusing you!

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on October 07, 2011
at 08:40 AM

Pancreatic enzymes have shown good results in treating pancreatic cancer as well.

5740b342b3b4ca4af7625f9505f7eb5d

(281)

on October 07, 2011
at 11:34 AM

That you suggest it is such a sore point for you is, for me, the most informative part of your posting on this. You are criticising emotional reasoning, which I applaud, but then follow with an emotional rebuttal, that uses emotional reasoning. Easily done...

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:55 AM

I'm also in total agreement that veganism is in no way a biologically appropriate diet for humans. The fact that so many people consider is an ideal diet for health is mind-boggling.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 07:44 AM

The question is not about what exactly he ate, it was the overall lifestyle. As somebody who worked in Pathology for 6 years I saw several cancer specimens daily, and I can say for certain that while it can't be tied down to a specific food or drink, I can say from reading the case histories that lifestyle choices certainly play a role, to what extent is a valid question but not the ONLY variable. The liver is a very resilient organ, it doesn't just go bad overnight for no reason, if it does than yes, it is typically from an outside cause.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 08:03 AM

That's understandable, it's a tough problem, especially when we can go through life thinking we are doing something healthy and then something happens that challenges that paradigm. It seems random in a lot of cases--cancer--but there is always a cause, obviously haven't figured it out yet. It's like a car, you can take very good care of it, change the oil, etc. Eventually though the parts wear out.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 07, 2011
at 01:22 PM

Olivia, I applaud you for standing up to the woo that sometimes bleeds in here.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on October 07, 2011
at 06:59 PM

Agreed. Even the best therapy just improves your chances. There are still going to be individuals who die.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 07:48 AM

I don't think there is anything wrong at all with conventional treatment if it is used correctly.

5740b342b3b4ca4af7625f9505f7eb5d

(281)

on October 07, 2011
at 11:31 AM

"I know we'd all like to think that eating the perfect diet or whatever will prevent cancer (or any other disease) ever developing, or cure them once they've developed, and that cancer is solely a disease of civilization, but that's not how it works. The potential for the development of cancer is something that goes along with being a multi-cellular organism. We can't escape that." - This is the longest string of assumptions, presented as fact, I have seen on paleohacks in a long time.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:54 AM

I'm sorry for using your post as a springboard to rant about this. It's a pretty big sore spot for me, though.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:49 AM

He didn't develop cancer in his liver initially. It metastasized from his pancreas, AFAIK. So the fact that "the liver is a resilient organ" doesn't exactly enter into it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2011
at 08:09 AM

I do think that conventional treatment are wrong because cancer is defect in immune system and conventional treatments further bring it down. They may prolong life few years (~5 at most) but at the cost of very very bad daily living.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2011
at 08:10 AM

Or Gerson therapy...

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 07, 2011
at 09:08 PM

Good post Olivia.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 08, 2011
at 02:26 PM

Maj totally agree on the iv vitamin c and k supplements for cancer. Curcumin is another biggie with D and Se in this particular cancer

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

(1906)

on October 19, 2011
at 04:57 PM

@Eric - It seems Jobs didn't have pancreatic cancer, he had a neuroendocrine tumour that began at his pancreas. (http://www.quora.com/Steve-Jobs/Why-did-Steve-Jobs-choose-not-to-effectively-treat-his-cancer)

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on October 27, 2011
at 05:16 AM

Why are you so concerned with down votes? We're all entitled to our opinions and knowing that I'm in the minority doesn't change mine unless points are made that change my thinking. You should say what you think/feel regardless of what I or others may say (or vote.)

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 07, 2011
at 01:19 PM

I don't know if I believe this, but it has been floating around:

During a routine abdominal scan, doctors had discovered a tumor growing in his pancreas. While a diagnosis of pancreatic cancer is often tantamount to a swiftly executed death sentence, a biopsy revealed that Jobs had a rare - and treatable - form of the disease. If the tumor were surgically removed, Jobs' prognosis would be promising: The vast majority of those who underwent the operation survived at least ten years.

Yet to the horror of the tiny circle of intimates in whom he'd confided, Jobs was considering not having the surgery at all. A Buddhist and vegetarian, the Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500) CEO was skeptical of mainstream medicine. Jobs decided to employ alternative methods to treat his pancreatic cancer, hoping to avoid the operation through a special diet - a course of action that hasn't been disclosed until now.

After he tried that, he did use all the best of conventional medicine though, but time is of the essence in these situations.

I would be more likely to blame the fact he was a workoholic and probably worked all night in front of a glowing rectangle. Night shift work is considered a carcinogen by the WHO and a lot of programmers end up doing the equivalent.

An aside-I love my Macbook, but I do resent that every night I have to cover up the multiple little glowing lights, especially the "breathing" sleep one, in order to sleep in a dark room.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 01:39 PM

I'm not sure if the workaholic thing is applicable if you love what you do. We have Warren Buffet who has peanuts and Coke for breakfast, and his daughter stated that they don't think they ever saw him have a glass of water, he eats out almost all the time, and he doesn't eat hardly any vegetables except tomato. I'd classify him as a workaholic, however, he doesn't sit in front of a screen, he doesn't have a computer at his desk. He seems to be thriving just fine along with his 85 year old partner who in every picture you see of him has a diet Coke in his hand.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 01:44 PM

His close friend Bill Gates is also a workaholic and junk food eater. When we consider this... it's these two that really brings the question of vegetarianism into the picture. Could it be that the two of the richest men in the world hit the genetic and money lottery that keeps them protected from diseases of civilization? It's possible but unlikely.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 07, 2011
at 01:47 PM

That's what always amuses people...all these junk-food eating people living to be 100. Maybe we have it all wrong and the junk food is protective. Considering a lot of food I eat is stereotypically junk food (bacon, coconut, etc), I think I've got it covered.

Bbaeb252415d6123214e1b98c17117ac

(414)

on October 07, 2011
at 01:28 PM

If that's true, that's really horrible. I think he was at his peak or very close to in the last few years (in terms of career and creativity), if only he could live at least 10 more ...

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 09:54 PM

I have a steady stream of Coke and ice cream, I'm pretty sure we do have it all wrong. I read a good book called "The Longevity Study", 80 years of data and they found no correlation to diet in those with long lives. What was common? A thirst for life and a desire to live, these people were not concerned with what they ate, no magic foods, no magic potions, just happy to live. I think it's hilarious and it's evolution's built in mechanism to weed out those who are unproductive and worry about how many eggs they are going to have each day.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on October 07, 2011
at 01:30 PM

Very interesting, thank you for sharing that information.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 09:57 PM

BTW, I think the exceptions are relevant not amusing. Just wanted to clear that up :)

Bbaeb252415d6123214e1b98c17117ac

(414)

on October 09, 2011
at 01:02 PM

I think the "survivorship bias" may be an issue. So, for example, we study a group of 100 year olds and find out that 50% ate junk food, and 50% ate healthy. Even odds? But what about those who died before their 100th birthday? Maybe for each junk food eater survivor a hundred died earlier, but for each health eater only a dozen died early ... not so rosy for junk eaters anymore? Did the book cover that?

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 11, 2011
at 05:49 AM

Sorry but yes. Blasted.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 11, 2011
at 05:50 AM

Sorry but yes. What part of 80 years of data didn't you understand.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 11, 2011
at 05:50 AM

What part of 80 years of data didn't you understand?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 11, 2011
at 11:44 AM

Edward, no reason to be facetious. The study wasn't perfect.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 12, 2011
at 02:53 PM

Not being facetious I wrote that sarcastically unfortunately language isn't that precise. But do I have a salty wound for folks who take the time to criticize but then don't take the time to read what they are criticizing. No problem with justified criticism or differing opinions. Sometimes a slap on the wrist starts the brain working again or enhances reading comprehension. I'm sure you can appreciate that. http://huntgatherlove.com/ We're all guilty of it, including me. By all means slap me on the wrist.

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D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

(5801)

on October 07, 2011
at 11:58 AM

He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, one of the fastest and most lethal varieties of cancer in 2004. Only 6% of people make it to five years after being diagnosed.

Seven years with pancreatic cancer is pretty damn good so perhaps the question should be "Since Steve Jobs survived pancreatic cancer so long, should we all ditch paleo and go to a vegan diet?" Yes, he had a less aggressive type of pancreatic cancer, but still, he didn't win the battle but he did beat the odds.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 12:34 PM

I'm looking more from the perspective that his initial health ills were caused by his extreme diet, no what happened after. I'm looking at it from a more preventative angle i.e. could it have been avoided.

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

(5801)

on October 07, 2011
at 01:08 PM

According to WHO, with his type of islet cell carcinoma, survival is 2-6 years. However, with treatment, he would have probably won the battle but this is all speculation because we don't get "do-overs."

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 08, 2011
at 02:27 PM

He survived because he had the money and resources to have a whipple and a liver transplant close to initial diagnosis....big difference

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on October 07, 2011
at 01:02 PM

He didn't actually beat the odds. Most people with the type of pancreatic cancer he had survive longer than him.

Dcd707b8de2bba775f982df13fc9ecc8

(64)

on October 10, 2011
at 04:29 AM

So he lived an extra year w/ cancer, would that make me consider going vegetarian/vegan? NO.I think NOT getting the cancer in the first place would make me consider vegetarian/veganism, but that was not the case here. If cancer was unavoidable, then beating the cancer and living out the remainder of life cancer free would also make me consider it, but that was not the case here either. I'll just stick to paleo, give my pancreas a break, and hope to avoid the cancer in the first place. fingers crossed.

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A77367da988f5065d4aec08c0675178a

on November 01, 2011
at 05:51 AM

In his newly released biography it states that Steve Jobs suffered from severe eating disorders since he was a teenager. We know the following:

  1. He regularly binged and purged
  2. He would do 1 to 2 week long starvation fasts
  3. He was extreme in his food choices and would go for weeks and sometimes months eating nothing but carrots or apples for every meal.
  4. He was a staunch fruitarian in his late teens and twenties and would consume nothing but fruit and juices.
  5. He had a rare 'safer' form of pancreatic cancer which has a high survival rate if operated on quickly
  6. He declined surgery and opted to treat his cancer by doing juice fasts, coffee enemas, and eating horseshit (yes, you read that right).
  7. After 9 months, his tumor had grown and had also spread to his liver so he decided to go for the surgery.
  8. His liver cancer got worse so he ended up getting a liver transplant during which the doctors discovered that the cancer had spread even more and would eventually spread to his bones.
  9. In the last few years of his life he had (upon the advice of his doctors) started to incorporate fish into his diet because people with compromised pancreatic function have trouble absorbing sufficient protein.

How much did his high sugar, high fruit diet contribute to his pancreatic cancer? How much did his post-diagnosis diet of fruit juices exacerbate his problems?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on November 01, 2011
at 06:03 AM

Sounds like he ate horseshit long before he got cancer. zing. Then I think we agree that it's very hard to tell what the deal was, he was probably suffering from many nutritional deficiencies even in excess of the usual deficiencies you find on a vegetarian diet. Like ultra wacko tin-foil-hat stuff compared to the usual more moderate heard-it-was-healthy-from-a-friend-and-decided-to-marry-it nutritional vegetarianism or simply avoiding-animal-foods-for-various-fallacious-ethical-reasons vegetarianism.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on November 01, 2011
at 06:01 AM

Sounds like he ate horseshit long before he got cancer. zing. Then I think we agree that it's very hard to tell what the deal was, he was probably suffering from many nutritional deficiencies even in excess of the usual deficiencies you find on a vegetarian diet. Like ultra wacko tin-foil-hat stuff compared to the usual more moderate heard-it-was-healthy-from-a-friend-and-decided-to-marry-it nutritional vegetarianism.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on April 10, 2012
at 12:37 AM

I didn't know he went through such extremes with food in his lifetime. That's really sad.

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5740b342b3b4ca4af7625f9505f7eb5d

(281)

on October 07, 2011
at 11:50 AM

I have no idea how you intend to answer this question, despite understanding your reasons for asking it. At best, this thread would become a compliation of all the evidence for and against vegetarianism in the fight against cancer. Anything else is just speculation.

I'd be disheartened to see any of us, however emotionally appealing, link Steve Job's death (or any other public figure) to vegetarianism/veganism. It is the ultimate in n=1 'sin'. I tend to think even asking the question is promoting the fallacy, although again I understand your line of thinking.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Are you a practicing paleolithic era eater grasshopper?

5740b342b3b4ca4af7625f9505f7eb5d

(281)

on October 07, 2011
at 01:49 PM

But speculation exists on a spectrum, does it not? Hypothesis testing, on people who are still alive and can report back, is one thing. Hypothesis testing on people already passed in my mind is another kind of speculation altogether. I dont mean to pick an unnecessary battle with you: my answer is neither yes or no, my answer is more lateral! You can pick your question, but you can't pick your answers too, Edward J :P

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 12:32 PM

There is nothing emotional about the question. More simply the question is yes/no, do you believe it had something to do with his initial decline in health. Perhaps I should have phrased it differently. But yes it is a speculative question. This entire site is speculative.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 08, 2011
at 02:35 PM

I know, what ever happened to RIP?

5740b342b3b4ca4af7625f9505f7eb5d

(281)

on October 09, 2011
at 02:46 PM

Am I eating a paleo diet? Yes. Not sure what thats got to do with this.

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144e1a4e0753f285f3520d1e9ddbd690

on October 07, 2011
at 02:27 PM

I amuse myself once in a while by reading some of the postings on the infamous 30BAD site, and there was one about how if Steve Jobs had stayed a raw vegan, he would never have developed cancer in the first place and that LFRV cures cancer. The amount of misinformation (should have done a water fast...chemotherapy is what kills most cancer victims...) being passed around boggles the mind.

I have been a Mac person since the Mac Classic. Steve's passing made me very sad.

Medium avatar

(19479)

on October 07, 2011
at 11:01 PM

I wonder if anyone has studied the correlation between excessive banana consumption and douchebaggery.

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:13 AM

I have lost multiple loved ones to cancer and it is a topic near to my heart. To your question it could have played a role. However it will be hard to tell if it actually did.

For my grandfather. Smoking every day could have caused his lung cancer at age 86. I encourage folks not to smoke.

My Aunt survived breast cancer for 13 years and then a Dr failed to catch a positive result and it went untreated for over a year.

I truly would like to contribute to cancer research in my life time.

I believe that you can reduce your risk of cancer and increase your chances of surviving (some types of) cancer. Pancreatic cancer to my knowledge is not curable and Steve fought it for many years likely beating the odds...

I think that avoiding soy, vegetable oils and sugar reduce your chances of getting cancer and increase your chances of surviving. Steve could have been doing all of these things.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 09:20 AM

I too have lost many relatives to cancer.

5
96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19483)

on October 09, 2011
at 07:06 PM

Jef Raskin, from whom he stole the Macintosh team also perished of pancreatic cancer, but Jef had the far worse version of the cancer. He was diagnosed in December 2004, not very far away from Steve's.

I don't see any references to whether Jef was a vegan, fruitarian, or vegetarian, carnivore, or SAD eater.

Is it possible that there were some environmental toxins at Apple in those days that they were both exposed to? Since Steve took over that team, he was in the same building and office where Jef was. Or was it diet?

Hard to say. Certainly vegetarian diet points to high carb, which points to high insulin use, which may cause a strain on the pancreas, but does that obvious conclusion necessarily lead to cancer?

Is there some study out there of vegans that correlates to pancreatic cancer? I doubt it.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on October 09, 2011
at 11:56 PM

Doubt it was vegan or vegetarian diet. Programmers usually subsist on sodas, loads of them when they work. Many have erratic work hours and drink a 6 pack of soda all night. What's available from snack machines are candies and potato chips. Back in the 80s, water wasn't even available and diet versions weren't widely available. Baby Ruth + Doritos + Dr. Pepper + all nighters and weekend work ==> Terminal Pancreatic Cancer, easy.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19483)

on October 19, 2011
at 04:46 PM

From all the Apple history books I've read, this was not the case. Apple provided fresh fruit juices and healthy snacks to its employees, at least in the Macintosh group of that era. Woz is known to eat junk food, no Jobs. There might be a link to fructose, but, it's doubtful that Jobs himself ate junk food. See: Return to the Little Kingdom and West of Eden.

5
E4e0bbad60f6855ccb40980d23db6445

on October 07, 2011
at 02:26 PM

It seems strange to implicate vegetarianism in his death, given that the available scientific and epidemiological evidence indicates that following a vegetarian diet does not put ones health at risk. As Key, Appleby, and Rose (2006) state, ???Overall, the data suggest that the health of Western vegetarians is good and similar to that of comparable non-vegetarians???. Many studies in fact provide evidence that vegetarianism is associated with increased longevity, lower risk of certain cancers and lower risk of heart disease. Obviously it is difficult to isolate precisely what it is about vegetarians that gives rise to these benefits, as vegetarians tend to be more health conscious, more intelligent and educated, more affluent, and so on. The important point is that the adoption of a vegetarian diet is not associated with negative health consequences. If a vegetarian diet somehow made cancer much more likely, epidemiological studies would surely detect this.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 07, 2011
at 09:58 PM

Seems to make a difference in CVD in India.

5
4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on October 07, 2011
at 01:07 PM

He was also a fruitarian for some years in the 70s from what I understand. Then he was a vegan for many years. So, I do think his cancer was probably related to his diet, but I would have said the same thing if he was just eating SAD because I think that most cancers are related to diet & lifestyle.

I think the best way to reduce the risk of cancer is to eat according to a faithful evolution paradigm. The perfect health diet (minus some of the supplements) is pretty close in my opinion.

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Bbaeb252415d6123214e1b98c17117ac

(414)

on October 07, 2011
at 01:18 PM

There are too many factors in play here so my opinion would be that we should abandon the attempts to somehow link Steve Jobs and nutrition.

  • The N=1 factor was already mentioned
  • How do we know if he was a vegan or vegetarian? The Wikipedia, for example, says he was a pescetarian, which from a Paleo point of view is immensely healthier approach
  • How do we know how strict he was in his diet? We can only base, I guess, on his own words, and we know how bad humans are at self-estimating calorie and nutrient uptake.
  • He was a CEO of one of the best known and influential tech companies in the world. Can we even imagine the levels of stress that would produce and how that could influence his health? Can we assume that he could follow a healthy diet and exersice regime? I don't think so ...

I would say that Steve Jobs was an extreme outlier from many points of view. The statistical analysis, as I understand, tends to exclude such data points.

Thank you Steve, and Rest In Peace.

Medium avatar

(10601)

on December 14, 2012
at 03:10 AM

It just doesn't matter about all that. It's clear that his diet did not result in longevity so is not a model to emulate. But his behavior - wonking his diet - might be a part of his personality that explains his creativity and risk taking.

3
D7ee2c67b3290a5d7f267052cbbd247d

on November 01, 2011
at 03:34 PM

has anyone bothered to ask Siri yet?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on November 03, 2011
at 02:39 PM

Well played. Very well played.

2
96ca47a23af1c069397a868611e1cb47

on October 10, 2011
at 02:55 PM

Raydawg, same thought here.

My uncle died of pancreatic cancer 5 yrs ago. His family was in hardware metals trade. His house's compound was surrounded by used computer parts, copper cable wire, aluminium etc and he breathed those air day in and day out since young.

I suspect Steve 's case is not due to diet but may be due to toxic metals probably in the environment he worked in.

2
485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

on October 07, 2011
at 08:56 PM

He also had had a liver transplant. That makes me think excess fructose leading to fatty liver. Excess glucose could have contributed to the formation of the pancreatic ca., and certainly fed it once formed. I doubt his "curing" diet eliminated grains. Add stress and likely poor sleep habits, and possibly a genetic predisposition.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 07, 2011
at 09:35 PM

how do u know he had fatty liver?

485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

(2191)

on October 08, 2011
at 12:30 PM

I'm guessing. That's usually why the liver fails.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on October 08, 2011
at 02:30 PM

Its a very small cause.

F15e0bae42dbf0b8cfc71e62902497b4

(2036)

on October 09, 2011
at 05:47 AM

the liver transplant is an experimental treatment for pancreatic cancer.

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on October 09, 2011
at 09:49 PM

immunosuppressive drugs used to keep the liver from rejecting is no help either, that just shoots down the very system that protects you from cancer. Vegans, vegetarians, have higher insulin if they are avoiding animal meat. Heck, Jack Lalanne was a juicer all his life...he should have been diabetic 50 years ago, but he was one tough cookie with all his exercise!

1
E8c2167284f0cdd16a12bea2741975b4

on July 17, 2012
at 07:07 PM

He was exposed to a lot of chemicals in the computer industry before there were regulations. everything is not about diet.

1
Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 17, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Pretty interesting stuff here, although nothing earth-shattering for most of us. Still, thought I'd share the link, since I don't see it in this thread.

Kaayla Daniel on death of Steve Jobs

(Blog post by the woman who wrote the book The Whole Soy Story and pretty much the WAPF's premier crusader against soy & veganism.)

1
Df610e77784f543696a42031635096c0

on October 10, 2011
at 09:16 PM

Diverse discussion here.

Here is a video from the largest study proving animal fat is linked to pancreatic cancer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-dhn67FYqtw

I think Steve's long hours, stress, and exposure to his hands on approach handling lead while soldering circuit boards, and his exposure to computer parts played a role.

Who knows, being a vegan could have gained him ten years.

Other people at Apple died of pancreatic cancer younger than Steve.

A77367da988f5065d4aec08c0675178a

(70)

on November 01, 2011
at 07:54 PM

Wozniak spent way more time doing hands on circuit board work. Steve was the marketer and salesman.

0
8bdfbd32dc2be889f243b0e41d23200b

on June 01, 2013
at 06:43 PM

I wrote a blog article that references some research about this:

http://alreadyliving.com/2013/06/01/steve-jobs-vegans-and-pancreatic-cancer/

The comment about how only 6% of people make it to five years after being diagnosed is an insightful observation. Perhaps his diet helped him to live longer as a result of his nutrition.

0
83070deb869068390903013b90d34427

on December 13, 2012
at 10:12 PM

try to do a search on Cancer Defeated. Use these two keywords together ... CANCER DEFEATED.

0
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 27, 2011
at 04:48 AM

Veganism killed Steve Jobs. Read he was an O blood type on You Tube. Based on his personality/overall life I think he was. So absolutely, a high carb meat free diet is what led to his pancreatic cancer. He was not meant to bave an strong insulin response every few hours to food.

0
96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19483)

on October 19, 2011
at 04:31 PM

There is a very good analysis of Jobs and his health issues here: Steve Jobs’ cancer and pushing the limits of science-based medicine

There's an embedded youtube "video" interview with Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez in that story that goes into great detail. It's also available here Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez on Steve Job's cancer.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 19, 2011
at 05:12 PM

It's funny because the first link talks about Gonzalez "Gonzalez, you may recall, is the originator of the “Gonzalez therapy” for pancreatic cancer, a therapy involving various juices, dietary manipulations, coffee enemas, and many, many supplements, as many as 150 pills per day. Also recall that his therapy, besides having no biological plausibility, has been convincingly demonstrated not to work."

0
3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

on October 09, 2011
at 04:17 AM

Steve should have gone for alternative treatment. I don't know if anyone's heard of pancreatic enzyme therapy. But the method devised by Donald Kelly gave rise to metabolic typing and nutritional cancer therapy. This was specifically designed for pancreatic cancer and Kelly lived for over 20 years after his diagnosis. His enzymatic therapy is being carried on by Dr. Nicky Gonzalez in New York, who is said to have a much better track record than the chemotherapy treatment championed by mainstream medicine.

Steve may have had the money, but he didn't look far and didn't realize that the medical-pharmaceutical complex would conspire to keep him under treatment, not cure him of cancer.

F15e0bae42dbf0b8cfc71e62902497b4

(2036)

on October 09, 2011
at 05:50 AM

The results of a clinical trial of the Gonzalez regimen on patients with pancreatic cancer were reported in 2009; compared to patients receiving conventional care, those taking part in the Gonzalez regimen died faster and experienced worse quality of life.[4] citation: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2860407/?tool=pmcentrez

27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

(1880)

on October 19, 2011
at 04:44 PM

Gonzalez is a brilliant physician and has a rebuttal to the study conclusions posted on his web site: http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/jco_rebuttal.htm

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A3aec1d1b29debaca4cb62770e96c86b

on July 17, 2012
at 05:47 AM

It is amusing to hear all of these comments.Many many die from cancer, heart disease, strokes, every day from a meat and dairy centered diet.Studies show the superiority of a well planned vegan diet, one with high quality vegetables, whole grains, fruits, beans, nuts, seeds. I do not know what Jobs ate for the most part, but the vegans that I know (and I know quite a few since I go to many conferences) have vastly superior health to most meat eaters. I personally know of 4 who are in their 80s, and are extremely physically active,; yoga, running, swimming, you name it. I understand that the average American age 65 is on 5 prescription drugs. I am a year away from that, a vegan, and am on no drugs whatsoever.This is the case with many of my vegan friends now in their 60s, 70s and 80s. It is unfair to judge a vegan diet based on one case, and a shabby one at that.

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on July 17, 2012
at 03:25 PM

You forgot to say "Trolololo" at the end of this. The "studies" you cite are flawed and sponsored by big agra. The fact that a vegan diet needs to be "well planned" speaks volumes as to its flaws. If that's the path you've chosen, I feel sorry for you, but it's your health and your path, so be it, but there are plenty of studies that show that a vegan diet is detrimental. Sorry to say, but those who have an agenda, and the most to profit it from it, have managed to feed you the proper propaganda to fool you into harming yourself and handing them your money.

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on December 14, 2012
at 03:17 AM

Colonel Sanders at 90 got the same results eating fried chicken. That's a lot more fun than having to wear hemp sandals and dreadlocks, and always be a serious pain in the ass around non-vegans.

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