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What is so unhealthy about a vegan diet done right?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 03, 2013 at 7:54 PM

I just don't understand this. I mean you can get the healthy fats, omega 3, k2 and everything else from vegan sources. What is it about animal products that make them necessary for optimal health?

I can't find another thread that talks about this so sorry if this has already been addressed.

34f00c7b4e5738cf04ead1a012a14ed1

(996)

on March 08, 2013
at 02:37 AM

CD - The issue is that some people CANNOT convert the beta-carotene version of Vitamin A to the Retinol version, which the human body needs.

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

(1031)

on March 04, 2013
at 07:30 AM

Unicorns count as meat, right? ;)

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on March 04, 2013
at 01:42 AM

humans are omnivores not carnivores.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on March 04, 2013
at 01:42 AM

yes. Vegans have a hard time getting vitamin A since they cannot eat Peppers, Sweet Potatoes, Carrots, Kale, Herbs or Squash.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 04, 2013
at 12:09 AM

You can't ask what's unhealthy about a vegan diet done right without assuming a vegan diet can be done right. Instead ask what's wrong with a diet consisting of [insert foodstuffs] so people can give you real answers.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 03, 2013
at 10:15 PM

Yep, it's an incomplete diet at best, woefully deficient for most folks.

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(10611)

on March 03, 2013
at 09:25 PM

Veganism depends on artificial supplies of food and supplements. It is arguably "organic" and "whole food based" but it is a contrivance of modern agriculture in most places. It takes a Whole Foods to raise a vegan.

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(10611)

on March 03, 2013
at 09:16 PM

Nothing. But why would anyone want to be a vegan unless there is no meat. There's no precedent for vegans, and unless there is no meat (or in the case of vegetarians, eggs and dairy) there is no need for vegans.

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on March 03, 2013
at 08:57 PM

You can't get the relevant kind of K2 (K2-MK4) only the evolutionarily novel K2-MK7, which isn't utilised as efficiently). You can't get the relevant kind of omega 3, unless you are eating crazy amounts of algae and you can't efficiently convert the plant form. I don't know what you mean by "healthy fats" but you will find it difficult to get i) animal form o3, ii) SFA (aside from from coconut, iii) will find it hard to avoid PUFA if you are eating grains, beans, soy, nuts, lots of vegetables.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on March 03, 2013
at 08:16 PM

BTW, if you used the search box you would have found these threads: http://paleohacks.com/questions/7747/is-it-possible-to-be-a-very-healthy-vegan#axzz2MVfLFSTC | http://paleohacks.com/questions/30065/vegan-paleo-can-it-be-done#axzz2MVfLFSTC | http://paleohacks.com/questions/148205/vegan-paleo-evaluate-my-diet-please#axzz2MVfLFSTC | but I can see how it was hard to find another thread

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

(1031)

on March 03, 2013
at 08:05 PM

Although this is worded as a "begs the question", it's still worthy of a reply so I've up voted it.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on March 03, 2013
at 08:14 PM

Could one be vegetarian and paleo?

Of course. Meat is not a requirement. Meat provides an excellent and abundant source of fat, protein and various micronutrients. None of which are only found in meat, however are more easily found in meat.

A vegetarian diet that included Eggs and Dairy (i.e. kefir, full fat yogurt, etc) (and yes I know dairy is not strict paleo). Can definitely provide enough protein and fat.

A vegan diet would be harder, you'd be forced to go to sub-optimal forms of protein. But if you focused on properly prepared legumes and seeds you could certainly maintain your health without meat or dairy.

It is definitely possible, it is just harder.

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on March 03, 2013
at 08:19 PM

Can you get vitamin B12 or taurine from vegan sources? Retinol? How about creatine? What about DHA (beyond eating a lot of algae)? Carnitine? If we're talking food, not supplements, the answer is typically very little.

I would also argue that a lot of the foods a vegan would have to use to obtain optimal levels of protein can potentially be problematic (whole grains, legumes, nuts, seeds). I suppose enough preparation, soaking, fermenting, and whatnot and this may not be a problem.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on March 03, 2013
at 09:25 PM

Veganism depends on artificial supplies of food and supplements. It is arguably "organic" and "whole food based" but it is a contrivance of modern agriculture in most places. It takes a Whole Foods to raise a vegan.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 03, 2013
at 10:15 PM

Yep, it's an incomplete diet at best, woefully deficient for most folks.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on March 03, 2013
at 10:19 PM

A vegan diet done right? That's unicorn-level of rarity right there!

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

(1031)

on March 04, 2013
at 07:30 AM

Unicorns count as meat, right? ;)

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on March 03, 2013
at 08:58 PM

protein would be one big problem, vegan sources are generally of poor quality and bound up with undigestable fiber and antinutrients like phytic acid.

Omega 3 EPA, DHA pretty much impossible to get from vegan sources.

I also see problems getting the right micronutrients, for example vitamin A from vegan sources don't convert readily to the form used by humans. Also Vit D, B12, Cholesterol, Calcium etc. would be hard if not impossible. Typically the nutrients will also be bound up in undigestable fiber and antinutrients like phytic acid which you will have to do your best to get rid of.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on March 04, 2013
at 01:42 AM

yes. Vegans have a hard time getting vitamin A since they cannot eat Peppers, Sweet Potatoes, Carrots, Kale, Herbs or Squash.

34f00c7b4e5738cf04ead1a012a14ed1

(996)

on March 08, 2013
at 02:37 AM

CD - The issue is that some people CANNOT convert the beta-carotene version of Vitamin A to the Retinol version, which the human body needs.

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on March 07, 2013
at 10:34 PM

I dont think it can be done "right" or otherwise for any length of time without damaging your health. Depriving your body of essential nutrients catches up to you sooner or later as can be seen by the number of vegans who are abandoning their meatless/eggless/fishless diets at alarming rates. Eventually you will become deficient and no amount of B12 shots will help.

heres a recent one..and just google to find more

http://alexandrajamieson.com/im-not-vegan-anymore/

Note*even Ellen Degeneres recently admitted to eating eggs... (causing quite an uproar in the vegan blogoshpere..lets hope bill clinton gets crackin soon.

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Daee038b2da136bc8e817e3889c746c5

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on March 03, 2013
at 10:03 PM

I'm of the firm belief that humans are carnivores and thereby sould eat meat. Sure you can survive on a Vegan diet and sure you might be able to get all the macro and micronutrients you need if really thinking it through properly.

but the planning and thinking that is required to just survive on a Vegan diet makes me seriously question how "natural" it is. No way our ancestors would have had the time to do that and survive at the same time.

But as always, if you feel like you want to eat a vegan diet, go for it, I could never do it but I know many who do that are feeling fine. But I think its sad that you'll miss out on many of the amazing nutrient dense foods that are out there.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on March 04, 2013
at 01:42 AM

humans are omnivores not carnivores.

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on March 03, 2013
at 08:02 PM

Nothing is wrong with the vegan diet/ lifestyle, if done right. For example, you must eat the right proportions of food and not over do it.

Non-vegans/ non-veggies will tell you that you need things such as meat and dairy for brain development, bone growth, essential vitamins and minerals not found in a vegan diet, etc.. (but you really don't).

The vegan diet has excellent sources of vitamins and minerals, but proportion size does matter. Too much of a good thing can be fatal. And please use NON GMO & organic products because it makes a difference.

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