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Skinny Bitch Pregnancy Book - Child abuse in the making?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 31, 2011 at 11:47 PM

I was browsing the parenting section of the local B&N when I noticed to my horror a "Skinny Bitch" book in the pregnancy section. For those of you not familiar with this franchise, the "Skinny Bitch" series of books seeks to convince people to follow a vegan diet with a double whammy approach of telling people that the current animal food production system is vicious and broken (with graphic imagery) and that they will lose weight following a vegan diet.

I mostly ignore these books thinking that if people want to gamble their own health on veganism instead of sourcing humanely raised meat, dairy and eggs, that's fine. But this book really got to me in that it's pushing a vegan agenda on women who are at a stage in their life when they need the absolute BEST nutrition to keep their babies and themselves healthy. By trying to push a vegan diet totally out of the blue onto pregnant women I think that this skinny bitch franchise is going WAY TOO FAR. They write in the book that eating meat or drinking milk will give you and your baby cancer, ignoring the fact that rigorous supplementation is needed to prevent uh, DEATH, to infants on a vegan diet.

Are my concerns totally overblown here? Do you know anyone that has been healthy on a vegan diet during pregnancy? What would the paleo perspective be on encouraging health in pregnant women that want to be vegan or vegetarian?

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on February 18, 2014
at 12:20 AM

I'm curious as to why you would be on this site in the first place?

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on February 17, 2014
at 10:32 PM

Though supposidly there have been *healthy* vegan pregnancies, there was a couple in France who had their baby die on a vegan diet, and in traditional Chinese medicine, the diet for a woman who has just had a baby includes ten ounces of pork meat and ten whole eggs per day! Not to mention that i seem to recall hearing that the authors of the Skinny Bitch books did not have any babies themselves when the book was written, so there's no ethos there :/

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on January 10, 2012
at 11:50 PM

Humans are one of the most amazing animals on Earth, we can consume massive amounts of toxins and drugs and abuse our bodies in many many ways, but we persist and thrive for the most part, its truelly amazing. The awesome thing about the baby? It only gets glucose from mom(no fructose,maltose,lactose, etc), and it only get amino acids from mom , regardless of the sources. Regarding fats, she is not eating hydrogentated or trans fats, so the baby is getting a mix of 3,6,9 and some others. It will be perfectly healthy I am sure. But-McDOnalds being Paleo??? That makes me giggle like a baby.

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on January 10, 2012
at 11:12 PM

Yes, that's stupid, but so too would be zero carb or VLC for a child, which I suspect is perpetrated in our community.

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on January 10, 2012
at 11:11 PM

This poster will never admit that mistakes were made when the child fails to develop correctly due to several vitamin and mineral deficiencies. The vegan religion would excommunicate her and her pride would suffer to too great an extent. Nutritional martyrdom for a false cause is one thing, but imposing that on some poor kid is just disgusting. This is coming from someone who was a vegan for 8 years. Easily my biggest regret in life.

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on January 10, 2012
at 10:40 PM

not abuse (how is it legally defined, a sort of proactive violence) but it is borderline negligence, even if done out of ignorance, no? wouldn't it be equivalent to a pregnant woman undergoing other extreme measures like excessive fasting and/or calorie restriction (something that may be of some health benefit in other contexts), or putting the infant on the same.

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on January 10, 2012
at 10:33 PM

Can't wait to see the other comments on this one.

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on January 10, 2012
at 10:25 PM

Downvoted for inflammatory, insulting language as well as hipocrisy. The poster has clearly read nothing about paleo.

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on August 01, 2011
at 01:59 PM

I approached a vegan diet a couple years ago to help gall bladder issues. I purchased Skinny Bitch because of its catchy name. I took the book back to the store because after reading it thoroughly I felt it was full of vegan "junk food." I do not think, for example, processed soy chicken breasts are real food...they're food-like substances, and Michael Pollan would say. As far as child abuse, I say no--women would not buy these books if they didn't care about their babies. More like mis-guiding women to eat sub-optimal foods.

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on August 01, 2011
at 03:23 AM

I agree with Kay. People need to be allowed to do what they feel is best for themselves and their families. How presumptuous of any of us to assume they will be abusing their children by eating a vegan diet. That's just plain insulting. We can't continue to throw that one aberrant example up as proof that vegans are a bunch of child abusing morons. We need to get over ourselves and leave the vegans alone.

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on August 01, 2011
at 01:28 AM

Abuse is a bit overboard. I mean, subbing breast milk with soy milk could be called just as bad as the stuff in that book. Poor choices but no different than what is already happening day in day out.

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on August 01, 2011
at 12:37 AM

no it's not abuse. sad yes. but abuse no.

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on August 01, 2011
at 12:35 AM

Is it not abuse for a child to die because her parents were following a vegan diet without supplementation and fed her only vitamin deficient breastmilk? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8414195/French-vegans-charged-with-child-neglect-after-babys-death.html My point was not that they "just don't eat enough gosh darn meat" but that the human body needs certain vitamins and minerals, some of which are only easily available in large, bioavailable quantities from animal products, such as eggs, dairy and meat. Pregnant women especially need these nutrients.

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on August 01, 2011
at 12:23 AM

This is a good point Ed - I did read about half the book, myself, and left a review stating as such the misinformation that I noticed with regards to some of the studies they cited (the China Study was the biggest culprit) but telling people who haven't read it (and probably won't) to review it for political reasons is probably not the best idea.

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on August 01, 2011
at 12:17 AM

Big difference between vegetarian (which usually includes dairy/eggs) and vegan. I doubt a vegan diet can support a pregnancy and produce a healthy baby. And even hamburger from Walmart is preferable to no animal protein at all - it at least has the protein, fat and vitamins necessary for growth.

776bb678d88f7194b0fa0e5146df14f0

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on August 01, 2011
at 12:15 AM

A vegetarian diet is very different from a vegan one. I don't thinkt hat a lot of animal protein or bioavailable nutrients such as B12 is needed - but do you disagree that a small amount definitely is? Child abuse is perhaps the wrong term in that I wouldn't propose that vegan parents be arrested or have their children taken away from them, but I do think that it's wrong for these authors to push this agenda in the name of health to a very vulnerable population insofar as nutrition is concerned.

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on August 01, 2011
at 12:12 AM

It looks like most of the reviews were from folks who hadn't actually read the book yet. I'll be happy to leave a review, but I'll need to read at least a good chunk of the book on google books or something first.

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on August 01, 2011
at 12:06 AM

This is by no means a scientific sampling of vegan children, but a vegan family used to frequent where I worked. The older child they had when they were lacto/ovo vegetarians, and she was one of the smartest kids I've ever met. Her younger brother was conceived after they switched to a vegan diet, he had a lot of developmental and behavioral issues, and just didn't seem to be all there. I know these kind of things can happen randomly, but it broke my heart to think this may have been a direct result of the family's dietary choices.

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on August 01, 2011
at 12:00 AM

Well, they are correct in that meat factories load their animals with tons of crap. Many people don't have access to good meat or can't afford the price of grass-fed. I've known several healthy vegetarians and they were that way while pregnant. To each their own. I don't think it is in ANY way child abuse. NO diet is perfect. Not even paleo.

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on August 01, 2011
at 12:08 AM

I agree with you that a vegan diet is especially unhealthy during pregnancy and breast-feeding, both for mother and child.

However, I don't review books that I haven't read. I believe this is a form of trolling. It's very common when a book is about a politically-charged topic for proponents and opponents of the author's viewpoint to try to move the book's rating one way or another--whether they've read the book or not.

The amazon.com discussion forums are a more appropriate place to discuss books you haven't read.

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(24553)

on August 01, 2011
at 12:12 AM

It looks like most of the reviews were from folks who hadn't actually read the book yet. I'll be happy to leave a review, but I'll need to read at least a good chunk of the book on google books or something first.

776bb678d88f7194b0fa0e5146df14f0

(1069)

on August 01, 2011
at 12:23 AM

This is a good point Ed - I did read about half the book, myself, and left a review stating as such the misinformation that I noticed with regards to some of the studies they cited (the China Study was the biggest culprit) but telling people who haven't read it (and probably won't) to review it for political reasons is probably not the best idea.

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on August 01, 2011
at 12:31 AM

let people eat whatever they want. it's absurd to compare it to abuse. do what is best for you and your family and let others come to their own conclusions and respect them even if they are different from your own.

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(1231)

on August 01, 2011
at 12:37 AM

no it's not abuse. sad yes. but abuse no.

776bb678d88f7194b0fa0e5146df14f0

(1069)

on August 01, 2011
at 12:35 AM

Is it not abuse for a child to die because her parents were following a vegan diet without supplementation and fed her only vitamin deficient breastmilk? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8414195/French-vegans-charged-with-child-neglect-after-babys-death.html My point was not that they "just don't eat enough gosh darn meat" but that the human body needs certain vitamins and minerals, some of which are only easily available in large, bioavailable quantities from animal products, such as eggs, dairy and meat. Pregnant women especially need these nutrients.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 01, 2011
at 03:23 AM

I agree with Kay. People need to be allowed to do what they feel is best for themselves and their families. How presumptuous of any of us to assume they will be abusing their children by eating a vegan diet. That's just plain insulting. We can't continue to throw that one aberrant example up as proof that vegans are a bunch of child abusing morons. We need to get over ourselves and leave the vegans alone.

A2fe5bbd09c7804fd321e9e9a9f9d199

(1614)

on January 10, 2012
at 10:40 PM

not abuse (how is it legally defined, a sort of proactive violence) but it is borderline negligence, even if done out of ignorance, no? wouldn't it be equivalent to a pregnant woman undergoing other extreme measures like excessive fasting and/or calorie restriction (something that may be of some health benefit in other contexts), or putting the infant on the same.

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on August 01, 2011
at 02:38 AM

Maybe the best approach would be to provide an alternative. How about a book called Paleo Pregnancy by permiechickie? :-)

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on August 01, 2011
at 02:22 AM

I don't agree that it's abuse per se. Not in a way that could be argued in court anyway. But it does anger the hell out of me.

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on August 01, 2011
at 12:21 AM

It looks like this book makes the classic mistake of confusing the "what" with "how" of what we eat.

If the author is stating that feedlot cattle and dairy with hormones and antibiotics is not good for you I would have to agree. If the author is saying that even grassfed and pastured meat is bad (from a nutritional not moral standpoint), well, we're going to have to have a little talk.

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on January 10, 2012
at 10:18 PM

I am currently 23 weeks pregnant and have been vegan for the past 12 years of my life. I have no problems and am considered a normal pregnancy. My baby is developing normally and rather quickly. I have gained 25lbs so far which is a little more than the average. People think that vegans cannot support a pregnancy? Or that it is ahem abusive to do so? I eat whole grains, organic fruits and vegetables, calcium fortified orange juices and soy/almond milk, take vegetable based Omega-3s and whole foods based pre-natal vitamins. I get calcium, iron and protein from plant based food. There is no scientific proof/evidence that shows that you must eat animal-based proteins. Do your reading people-don't rely on old-wives tales. Ample evidence and research shows that a vegan diet is the healthiest of diets. Why would I want to eat/feed my baby McDonalds? There IS proof that it is unhealthy for many, many reasons. You don't need animal fats/proteins to get your nutrition. Anyone interested can watch the documentary Forks Over Knives or read Diet For A New America by John Robbins. Before making blatantly ignorant, opinions disguised as facts, become educated. THAT is going to be the basis for a healthy pregnancy.

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on January 10, 2012
at 10:25 PM

Downvoted for inflammatory, insulting language as well as hipocrisy. The poster has clearly read nothing about paleo.

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on January 10, 2012
at 10:33 PM

Can't wait to see the other comments on this one.

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on January 10, 2012
at 11:11 PM

This poster will never admit that mistakes were made when the child fails to develop correctly due to several vitamin and mineral deficiencies. The vegan religion would excommunicate her and her pride would suffer to too great an extent. Nutritional martyrdom for a false cause is one thing, but imposing that on some poor kid is just disgusting. This is coming from someone who was a vegan for 8 years. Easily my biggest regret in life.

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(6719)

on January 10, 2012
at 11:50 PM

Humans are one of the most amazing animals on Earth, we can consume massive amounts of toxins and drugs and abuse our bodies in many many ways, but we persist and thrive for the most part, its truelly amazing. The awesome thing about the baby? It only gets glucose from mom(no fructose,maltose,lactose, etc), and it only get amino acids from mom , regardless of the sources. Regarding fats, she is not eating hydrogentated or trans fats, so the baby is getting a mix of 3,6,9 and some others. It will be perfectly healthy I am sure. But-McDOnalds being Paleo??? That makes me giggle like a baby.

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on February 18, 2014
at 12:20 AM

I'm curious as to why you would be on this site in the first place?

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