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Is Mike Darwin right? Seventh Day Adventist Diet > Paleo Diet for total lifespan?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 30, 2011 at 4:11 PM

http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/08/20/interventive-gerontology-1-0-02-first-try-to-make-it-to-the-mean-diet-as-a-life-extending-tool-part-3/#comment-3789

"The primary sources of lipids in the SDA diet have historically been from corn and soy oils, and to a lesser extent oils from nuts (corn oil has partly been replaced by canola oil in the contemporary SDA diet)."

"The AHS-2 found that the consumption of red and white meat was associated with an increase of colon cancer and that, independent of meat consumption, eating legumes was protective against the disease."

"A strong inverse relationship was found between the risk of CHD and the consumption whole grain wheat bread, as opposed to white bread (~45% reduction in CAD)."

"In men, the frequent consumption of tomatoes and of soy milk was associated with a ~60% reduction in the incidence of prostate cancer."

Thoughts on Paleo:

"Nine papers of poor quality and not a single clinical trial demonstrating reduced morbidity or mortality ??? even in CHD or type II diabetes. Sixty-seven papers of hypothesizing 25 years after this diet was put forth."

Anyone write a substantial response to this? I have a very smart friend who eats a mediterranean vegan diet who says that eating paleo (especially the higher sat. fat archevore variant that I prefer) will shorten my lifespan, either through CVD or colon cancer.

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on December 02, 2011
at 04:18 PM

What about the PUFA in white meats? It's not the fat or SAFA but the PUFA we're trying to avoid by going easy on poultry and pork.

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on December 02, 2011
at 04:13 PM

There's no doubt they're doing a lot of things right, but vegetarianism is not one of them. Like most of these studies that claim to prove vegetarianism is healthy, there is no attempt to isolate variables. They compare themselves, people who are trying to be healthy in a variety ways beyond diet, to the average person, who isn't making much of an effort to be healthy. Of course they're going to have a longer lifespan, but that doesn't prove the effectiveness of any specific variable.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on December 01, 2011
at 01:24 AM

google Dan Buettner (spelling) or blue zone loma linda.....

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on November 30, 2011
at 09:36 PM

Like the time my friend made a meal for his Indian roommate who was a bit tired of his shenanigans. Being Indian, he asked "there's absolutely no cow in this?" My friend said no. Only after the meal did the Indian gentleman see my friend used store-bought BEEF stock in his ignorance. Hilarity ensued.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on November 30, 2011
at 09:34 PM

What is "blue zone"? And you make an excellent point: I think most people (especially here) would agree that the years of HEALTHY and active life are more important than total years lived, if last twenty of those are in and out of hospitals.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on November 30, 2011
at 09:33 PM

What is "blue zone"?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on November 30, 2011
at 08:23 PM

I have a huge seventh day adventist practice of patients. They all have major health problems and the reason a blue zone exists around Loma Linda is because they do a great job of controlling cortisol with the mindfulness and togetherness. Their diet actually hinders their longevity in my view because they live long but need doctors for many thing post 60 yrs old.

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on November 30, 2011
at 05:43 PM

I prefer pranking vegans. They have no sense of humor.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on November 30, 2011
at 05:04 PM

Can you be more specific for those of us who are not privvy to the behind-the-scenes paleo drama? The research referenced in the OP seems legit enough and academic (rather than commercial) after a quick overview.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on November 30, 2011
at 04:59 PM

I'd like to bash on vegans as much as everyone else here, but the article referenced in the OP isn't about veganism despite the tag and the throwaway comment in the end of the OP.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on November 30, 2011
at 04:57 PM

Exactly my point, Dave. Nevertheless, TNJ does have a good question above, also referenced in the OP article - and that is yet to be reconciled.

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:40 PM

What studies show no relationship between red meat and colon cancer?

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:30 PM

Puh-lease! So, being a non-drinking, non-smoking vegetarian gives a better health outcome than the average (SAD) population? Duh! Sure, blame the meat... (And by "meat" I mean breaded, deep fried in rancid veg oil chicken nuggets.)

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:26 PM

The main study he cites is an observational study, so it suffers from the potential biases such studies inherently have. He does admit that there are other, non-diet factors at play. Although it's not as damning as his conclusions make it out to be, it's nevertheless an interesting data point.

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:57 PM

Eat what you like. Let him eat what he likes. Fretting about it will take more years off your life than veg oil vs lard.

And when you're both 85 sitting in wheelchairs in the rest home, bean him with your cane and win the debate.

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on November 30, 2011
at 05:01 PM

I don't know about Mike, but I think his relative Charles was balls on right. There must have been some bad trans-generational epigenetic mishaps along the way from Chuck to Mike that caused Mike to lose his sensibility

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:57 PM

This is a link to Tasha's story about how her vegan diet almost killed her. http://voraciouseats.com/2010/11/19/a-vegan-no-more/

More vegan stories here: http://letthemeatmeat.com/

As far as your friend is concerned, you let him eat the wheat based products and the sugar of the med diet for a few more years and both of you compare your health 5 years from now.

I am old enough to see premature ageing in people doing some sort of veganism for 10 years...and invariably they all have pasty white skin and in the face they have dark rings under their eyes. I would hate to see their lipid panels.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on November 30, 2011
at 04:59 PM

I'd like to bash on vegans as much as everyone else here, but the article referenced in the OP isn't about veganism despite the tag and the throwaway comment in the end of the OP.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on November 30, 2011
at 05:43 PM

I prefer pranking vegans. They have no sense of humor.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on November 30, 2011
at 09:36 PM

Like the time my friend made a meal for his Indian roommate who was a bit tired of his shenanigans. Being Indian, he asked "there's absolutely no cow in this?" My friend said no. Only after the meal did the Indian gentleman see my friend used store-bought BEEF stock in his ignorance. Hilarity ensued.

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on December 19, 2011
at 09:13 AM

Darwin's theory was not scientifically proved.So i say whatever a good thing a man wants to do he has right to do.So, eat ,enjoy life and have fun till your last day.

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on December 02, 2011
at 03:17 PM

The problem is red meat has excessive fat comparing the white meat. This is why it is not considered healthy and people are discoureged to eat it. And I think we need not to eat red meat as we can make some easy healthy meals using white meats like chicken breast.

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(5152)

on December 02, 2011
at 04:18 PM

What about the PUFA in white meats? It's not the fat or SAFA but the PUFA we're trying to avoid by going easy on poultry and pork.

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:23 PM

I can't believe any research funded by such a heavily biased group.

It's like the corn industry re-naming high fructose corn syrup as "corn sugar" and saying it's totally natural. Um yeah, okay.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on November 30, 2011
at 05:04 PM

Can you be more specific for those of us who are not privvy to the behind-the-scenes paleo drama? The research referenced in the OP seems legit enough and academic (rather than commercial) after a quick overview.

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