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Belly bloat and other GI issues

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 31, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I've searched the Internet and through PaleoHacks sights to find an answer for my issue, but unfortunately have found conflicting information and found that most people with my issues are the result of gluten. This is not my case as I have eliminated all gluten and grains from my diet. Here is some background and the problems I'm having.

I'm a 27yr old female. After my first baby 5 years ago I was at 250lbs and only 5'9. I overhauled my diet and became a vegetarian. I started doing cardio, spin class, running, and weights. I dropped down to 185. Then I got preggo with my second baby. I maintained a vegan diet and worked out all pregnancy. After I had my second baby I was at 190. I started working out and continued as a vegan for another year, but my weight wouldn't budge! I was finally diagnosed with hypothyroidism and adrenal fatigue by my naturopath. We found a great balance of natural supplements for me and I felt like a normal human! He advised me to go primal. I ignored it because I was a staunch vegan. My weight finally started coming off and I worked my way down to 165lbs before getting pregnant with my third baby. I have always had low iron levels, but with this pregnancy my anemia hit a crazy low and despite careful diet planning and massive supplements I was still needing iron transfusions. Finally I ate meat and my iron immediately leveled out. That was the proof I needed. I started eating meat a few times a week and was amazed at the energy I had! My doctor suggested I give up gluten for my thyroid condition, and I did. I had a beautiful healthy baby 9 months ago. After reading up on it I switched to a Paleo diet last month. I felt amazing! Sustained energy all day! Anyways, I've lost 10lbs just in the last month. But the last two weeks I have had some serious belly bloat and pain. Like pain that hurts enough to take my breath away. I look like I'm preggo again! I'm not, but my belly is so big! The weight is still coming off and I'm not having any other issues. I have recently baked a few things with almond flour and coconut flour. Since going Paleo I've also had diarrhea as well. What in the world is going on here? My typical diet looks like this: Breakfast: sauteed kale with an egg over easy and a slice of bacon Lunch: tuna with mashed avocado, cucumber, carrot, and onion Snack: almond butter and coconut milk smoothie. Four slices deli roast beef. Dinner: roasted chicken, cauliflower, green beans, carrots. No food after 8pm. Breakfast at 8am.

Why is my GI tract rebelling?

B9df6926dd41201b88a85724023cb0d6

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on August 02, 2012
at 06:22 PM

How do you know if you have SIBO? I'm not familiar with that term.

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on August 02, 2012
at 04:48 AM

I'm sure you're right - those baked goods give a lot of people trouble. One thing about eggs - if my digestion is iffy at all, eggs make things much worse. And I seem to do better not eating them every day, and not in large quantities. And not with a bunch of fat. But I'm not really egg-intolerant - I've done a full elimination diet to make sure. In short, watch out for eggs :)

724f0f45eb53919b8c617c3c1ec5fbc5

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on August 02, 2012
at 04:46 AM

I'm sure you're right - those baked goods give a lot of people trouble. One thing about eggs - if my digestion is iffy at all, eggs make things much worse. And I seem to do better not eating them every day, and not in large quantities. And not with a bunch of fat. But I'm not really egg-intolerant - I've done a full elimination diet to make sure. tl;dr Watch the eggs :)

724f0f45eb53919b8c617c3c1ec5fbc5

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on August 02, 2012
at 04:41 AM

Some people have problems with coconut, additives or no additives. Arroy-D is a brand of coconut milk that is additive-free, you could try it and see if you tolerate it any better.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 01, 2012
at 04:54 PM

Lauren are you sure you do not have SIBO?

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 01, 2012
at 04:53 PM

All the NDs and functional MDs treating thyroid issues give that recommenation across the board bc they heard it was a good idea at some lecture they went to. THE ISSUE IS THE INTEGRITY OF THE GUT. If you do not have a leaky gut then gliadan or any other molecule of food isn't going to get out into your blood stream and alter the immune system. If gluten (gliadin) is getting from gut to bloodstream then so is a whole lot of other things that should not be!

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on August 01, 2012
at 04:43 PM

This is the problem with IBS symptoms -- they are difficult to discover unless you do an elimination diet. I'd have symptoms from something I ate days after eating it, therefore not recognizing the cause. IMHO, eliminate anything that is premade for the next month and make your own Almond milk. You'll be amazed at how yummy homemade almond milk is...

B9df6926dd41201b88a85724023cb0d6

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on August 01, 2012
at 03:37 PM

Oh! I didn't know that about deli meat. I'll see how eliminating them does too. My coconut milk does have additives, but I'm not sure that's the cause. I've been drinking almond milk for years and it has some of the same additives. Is it only the additives in coconut milk that do that to you or in other things as well?

B9df6926dd41201b88a85724023cb0d6

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on August 01, 2012
at 03:34 PM

Not sure it's eggs, I've eaten them since I stopped being vegan over a year ago with no problems. I'm thinking I need to do an elimination process. My guess is that it was the coconut or almond flour I used since the problems didn't start until I tried making coconut flour pancakes, and a almond flour pizza crust. This morning my tummy is back to normal size, it's been over 24hours since I last consumed coconut flour. Argh, it's frustrating lol!

B9df6926dd41201b88a85724023cb0d6

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on August 01, 2012
at 03:29 PM

My doctor recommended GF because in his experience his gfree patients had reduced symptoms of fatigue, bloating, and weight gain. And most were able to reduce their dosage of thyroid meds. It does mostly have to do with autoimmune function I think. I don't take a probiotic. Everytime I try one, I get stomach cramps :(

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 01, 2012
at 03:26 PM

oh and you can find such info. on PubMed

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on August 01, 2012
at 03:26 PM

Sabretooth. there is some evidence showing a link between gluten antibodies & Hashimoto's & other a.i. diseases. The link is a correlation. It is NOT a proven Causal at all . Others have suggested that gluten antiobodies trigger an autoimmune response against the thyroid glad-again not proven but perhap. Honestly I think most people, especially eating SAD have a leaky gut so of course when they are hypothyroid & are tested they will have gliadin antibodies- as does most anyone if tested! The take home message is to heal your gut. Healing your leaky gut is important for any a.i. disease.

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on July 31, 2012
at 11:46 PM

Is it just because going GF is probably a good idea for any autoimmune issues or is there something more to it, I guess is what I'm really wondering :)

1955b5516a3eaedce732f4ea8bb3fa6c

on July 31, 2012
at 11:45 PM

I am curious as to if you know the specific reasoning behind your doctor recommending going gluten-free for your thyroid condition? I have hypothyroidism as well and just wondering what the connection/benefits is/are. I know I feel incredibly better eating paleo, but haven't thought about implications of GF on my thyroid condition. My mother is also hypothyroid and any more reasons I could give her to go at least GF, if not paleo, would be great.

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on July 31, 2012
at 10:57 PM

Try eating raw bitter greens with every meal (at least some). I have tried enzymes - they are not for me for sure so it is varies from one individual to another.

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on July 31, 2012
at 10:42 PM

I'm with aseafish on this one, because I have also dealt with similar issues. For me, it was wheat and starches. But, based on the foods you are eating, I suggest eliminating the eggs for a week or so and see if that makes a difference. If it doesn't, feel free to add them back. They would just be my first guess.

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on July 31, 2012
at 10:10 PM

Are you taking Probiotics and enzymes? Have you considered having your smoothy in the morning with fruit only until 11AM? Would you like more information? email me maremorrison@gmail.com I have lots of information on why these things are very important for a healthy digestive system! Mary

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on August 01, 2012
at 01:43 AM

Is your Coconut milk free of additives?

Any surfactant (guar gum, carrageenan, etc) gives me IBS within a few hours and it is painful enough to have me curled up on the floor. I'd also skip the deli meats as they likely have gluten/msg related ingredients that show up as "spices" or salt in the ingredient list.

B9df6926dd41201b88a85724023cb0d6

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on August 01, 2012
at 03:37 PM

Oh! I didn't know that about deli meat. I'll see how eliminating them does too. My coconut milk does have additives, but I'm not sure that's the cause. I've been drinking almond milk for years and it has some of the same additives. Is it only the additives in coconut milk that do that to you or in other things as well?

Medium avatar

(4878)

on August 01, 2012
at 04:43 PM

This is the problem with IBS symptoms -- they are difficult to discover unless you do an elimination diet. I'd have symptoms from something I ate days after eating it, therefore not recognizing the cause. IMHO, eliminate anything that is premade for the next month and make your own Almond milk. You'll be amazed at how yummy homemade almond milk is...

724f0f45eb53919b8c617c3c1ec5fbc5

(830)

on August 02, 2012
at 04:41 AM

Some people have problems with coconut, additives or no additives. Arroy-D is a brand of coconut milk that is additive-free, you could try it and see if you tolerate it any better.

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45ace03a0eff1219943d746cfb1c4197

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on July 31, 2012
at 09:54 PM

Sadly, you may find you're having issues with one or more of the foods you're still eating. It could also be that your body, in its continued cleansing and healing, is sending toxins that have long been stored in your cells and organs, into your bloodstream to be eliminated. It could be lots of issues, which I'm sure is a large part of your frustration with the different things you've read and heard.

I've been dealing with similar issues for almost two years, now. I find I have to walk a very tight line where all food is concerned. Baked goods, even almond and coconut, have not worked for me. Currently, I'm trying a autoimmune supporting program and have eliminated all nuts, nightshades, and eggs from my diet. Dairy products are on that list, but I have not touched those in two years.

I realize that I have not given you an answer. I am afraid there may not be one single answer to your question.

Good luck.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on July 31, 2012
at 10:42 PM

I'm with aseafish on this one, because I have also dealt with similar issues. For me, it was wheat and starches. But, based on the foods you are eating, I suggest eliminating the eggs for a week or so and see if that makes a difference. If it doesn't, feel free to add them back. They would just be my first guess.

724f0f45eb53919b8c617c3c1ec5fbc5

(830)

on August 02, 2012
at 04:46 AM

I'm sure you're right - those baked goods give a lot of people trouble. One thing about eggs - if my digestion is iffy at all, eggs make things much worse. And I seem to do better not eating them every day, and not in large quantities. And not with a bunch of fat. But I'm not really egg-intolerant - I've done a full elimination diet to make sure. tl;dr Watch the eggs :)

B9df6926dd41201b88a85724023cb0d6

(5)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:34 PM

Not sure it's eggs, I've eaten them since I stopped being vegan over a year ago with no problems. I'm thinking I need to do an elimination process. My guess is that it was the coconut or almond flour I used since the problems didn't start until I tried making coconut flour pancakes, and a almond flour pizza crust. This morning my tummy is back to normal size, it's been over 24hours since I last consumed coconut flour. Argh, it's frustrating lol!

724f0f45eb53919b8c617c3c1ec5fbc5

(830)

on August 02, 2012
at 04:48 AM

I'm sure you're right - those baked goods give a lot of people trouble. One thing about eggs - if my digestion is iffy at all, eggs make things much worse. And I seem to do better not eating them every day, and not in large quantities. And not with a bunch of fat. But I'm not really egg-intolerant - I've done a full elimination diet to make sure. In short, watch out for eggs :)

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4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

on August 01, 2012
at 01:35 AM

You might want to rule out SIBO.

I personally would do some testing so that I know what I am dealing with especially since diet changes didn't work.

Genova Diagnostics does excellent GI testing.
This is good http://www.gdx.net/product/10006 Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis 2.0??? (CDSA 2.0)

Also this one: Bacterial Overgrowth of the Small Intestine. http://www.gdx.net/product/10096

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B8a827162ddf090a9cce81710046b320

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on August 01, 2012
at 01:30 AM

Try Pepogest (enteric coated peppermint oil) 1 hour to 1/2 hour before meals, and see if that doesn't help. After a lot of experience in this same department, I have found that this does help "tune" up my digestive system, and that after a while I can stop using it again. For comfort in the meantime, take to charcoal capsules after each meal. Don't use the charcoal within a couple of hours of supplements or medication, however.

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