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Vaccines. Do you believe the recent study out of Germany?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 11, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Do you believe that further studies will confirm the recent study out of Germany that children who have been vaccinated according to official government schedules are up to five times more likely to contract a preventable disease than children who developed their own immune systems naturally without vaccines?

http://journal.livingfood.us/2011/10/09/new-study-vaccinated-children-have-2-to-5-times-more-diseases-and-disorders-than-unvaccinated-children/

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 13, 2013
at 02:07 AM

A mother's pre-natal health and nutrition status has a lot to do with the health of her children, especially their immune systems. Living in a rural environment, as opposed to a city, plays a significant positive role in her health and her children's health as they develop. A big part of this health is bacterial balance within the gut and detoxification ability, both of which influence weather on not the child removes from his/her system mercury, aluminum and other potential threats that unfortunately tag along with vaccines.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 13, 2013
at 01:15 AM

Yes they died. Blankets loaded with small pox virus were given to their communities to guarantee maximum destruction. I never said the idea of vaccines was bad. It isn't. Its the chemicals and other things that are currently put in vaccines, which cause neurological damage (sometimes permanent) and other kinds of disablement. I once believed in vaccines until I saw the vaccine-induced autism over and over, sometimes in personal friends children. So I took a look - a real look. Be humble - take a real look. You can start here: youtube.com/watch?v=KS4vpqxl_VI

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 13, 2013
at 01:15 AM

Yes they died. Blanket loaded with small pox virus were given to their communities to guarantee maximum destruction. I never said the idea of vaccines was bad. It isn't. Its the chemicals and other things that are currently put in vaccines, which cause neurological damage (sometimes permanent) and other kinds of disablement. I once believed in vaccines until I saw the vaccine-induced autism over and over, sometimes in personal friends children. So I took a look - a real look. Be humble - take a real look. You can start here: youtube.com/watch?v=KS4vpqxl_VI

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 13, 2013
at 01:11 AM

Yes they died. Blanket loaded with small pox virus were given to their communities to guarantee maximum destruction. I never said the idea of vaccines was bad. It isn't. Its the chemicals and other things that are currently put in vaccines, which cause neurological damage (sometimes permanent) and other kinds of disablement. I once believed in vaccines until I saw the vaccine-induced autism over and over, sometimes in personal friends children. So I took a look - a real look. Be humble - take a real look. You can start here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS4vpqxl_VI

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 13, 2013
at 12:58 AM

Nemesis, I know it seems like a risk to reveal the truth. But many more people with guts are doing that at an exponential rate right now. Flying under the radar is out the window. Remember that if and when they come after you they must use enforcers who are also up on this info. The enforcers won't do it.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 09:03 PM

Out of nowhere they came up with this: "We stopped counting but we KNOW". Reality is whatever your government says it is.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 09:03 PM

In the summer of 2009, when the Center for Disease Control(CDC) saw that there was not an explosion of swine flu (that it wasn't anything), they stopped counting cases of swine flu. At that point when someone walked into a hospital and so much as coughed (or had a headache, or their eyes were watering, whatever) it was recorded as a case of swine flu - no tests, NOTHING. Then, unbelievably, in the late summer, the head of the CDC went public declaring that there were quite possibly tens of millions of Americans infected with the H1N1 virus for swine flu.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 09:00 PM

In the summer of 2009, when the Center for Disease Control(CDC) saw that there was not an explosion of swine flu (that it wasn't anything), they stopped counting cases of swine flu. At that point when someone walked into a hospital and so much as coughed (or had a headache, or their eyes were watering, whatever) it was recorded as a case of swine flu - no tests, NOTHING. Then, unbelievably, in the late summer, the head of the CDC went public declaring that there were quite possibly tens of millions of Americans infected with the H1N1 virus for swine flu. Out of nowhere they came up with thi

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 09:00 PM

But this was not revealed to the public. It was hidden from the press and the public. All people saw was level 6 pandemic, "warning, everybody is going to die". At the end of the swine flu hoax there were about 19,000 deaths on the planet from swine flu, ACCORDING TO GOVERNMENT STATS. If you go on the WHO website you see that they say that yearly, on average, ordinary seasonal flu kils between 300,000 and 500,000 people worldwide. But THAT IS NOT A PANDEMIC. But the swine flu, with 20 cases, is what they have to promote, so that everybody gets vaccinated.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:59 PM

But in the spring of 2009, when this was declared by WHO, 2 other things happened. First, at that moment, there were 20 confirmed cases of what was called swine flu on the planet. The second thing was that the WHO changed their definition of "pandemic". Suddenly a pandemic did not involve widespread death, or even severe illness. According to the new definition you could have a pandemic that was mild or just a threat or possibility. Or the "approching spector of illness", and for that reason, and that reason alone, a level 6 pandemic can be declared.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:59 PM

If you can promote a phony epidemic you can then convince people all over the world that they need to be vaccinated because otherwise they could die from this gigantic epidemic that is spreading everywhere. Let's take the swine flu. In the spring of 2009 the World Health Organization (WHO) declared swine flu a level 6 pandemic - basically the worst case scenario of what this flu will do - massive death.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:49 PM

Matt, now you are only slightly aware of the depth of corruption you are supporting. Don't bet your health on it.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:48 PM

Governments and drug companies make deals that supply 100s of millions of doses vaccines to citizens, and there is absolutely no liability whatsoever for the drug companies. If these adverse events were so rare why would these drug companies want to make a deal with governments to provide all these vaccines (which will be paid for by tax dollars) that says these drug companies can NEVER be liable for anything that happens, and, as part of the deal, those governments cannot return the vaccine stocks to these companies if people do not show up in large numbers to be vaccinated?

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:41 PM

These days there are deals between governments and drug companies - all over the world. These companies are supplying 100s of millions of doses of all kinds of vaccines to these governments to give to their citizens, and there is absolutely no liability whatsoever for the drug companies. If these adverse events were so rare why would these drug companies want to make a deal with governments to provide all these vaccines (which will be paid for by tax dollars) that says these drug companies can NEVER be liable for anything that happens, and, as part of the deal, those governments cannot retur

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on January 12, 2013
at 08:39 PM

Might want to loosen that tinfoil hat you're wearing.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:38 PM

But beyond that they take absolutely no responsibility for anything that happens to the person injected (baby, child, or adult). Even with that there are tens of thousands of counted serious adverse effects, including death. In reality there are high numbers of uncounted, unreported deaths, serious neurological damage, permanent neurological damage and other kinds of disablement.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:38 PM

Matt, this is reality: There are tens of thousands (probably hundreds of thousands) of adverse serious reactions to vaccines that go unreported to federal authorities. Why? Because only doctors can officially report them. Only if, within a few hours, a day, (or, at most, 2 days) the vaccine injection clearly causes a horrendous reaction, that cannot possibly be tied to anything other than the vaccine (even though they will try), will doctors admit it MIGHT be a reaction to the vaccine.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on January 12, 2013
at 08:37 PM

Uh, David, the Native Americans lived the exact lifestyle you describe as the Paleo Way, yet they died by the hundreds of thousands when exposed to foreign diseases from which they had no immunity. You sound like you're only here for confirmation bias to support your BELIEF. Belief is not fact.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:28 PM

It may be possible that if your country were to clean the water, treat the ill, and improve eating (nutrition) and living conditions, then people would have stronger immune systems and no perceived "need" for vaccines. That is the paleo way.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 04:12 PM

In 10 years has the recommendation for season flu shot gone from 77 million to 256+ million? Do they keep lowering the recommended age with no studies to back up why? Is the why because almost all 15 members of the ACIP (advisory committee on immunization practices) have financial ties to the vaccine industry?

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 04:11 PM

You know what happens when they go right into African communities with communicable disease issues like polio and vaccinate them? They die....up to 40% have died. That is in the CDC data base itself. That is why before they go and give shots they go and clean the water, treat the ill, improve the eating and living conditions...then, after the diseases have gone down dramatically, months to years later they give the shots and of course then the credit to the shots.

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

(2022)

on January 12, 2013
at 04:06 PM

"I'm amazed at the health difference of our children comparing them from infancy to preschool years and nothing else is different between them other than the amount of vaccines they received when they were young." Yeah, that and the fact that they are three completely different people.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on January 12, 2013
at 03:24 PM

David Marino, vaccination is right up there with sanitation in improving human health and prevention of disease. Smallpox, polio, tetanus... I'm sure you've never seen these diseases first hand, as you're probably of the generation where they were already wiped out. Vaccination side-effects are first world problems for sure, while the rest of the world is dealing with the diseases themselves.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on January 12, 2013
at 03:08 PM

I'm inclined to agree with Sarah's sentiment. It only continues to delude folks like David Marino into thinking non-vaccination has merit.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on January 12, 2013
at 02:00 PM

Yeah, I found that "study". Laughable.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on January 12, 2013
at 11:04 AM

meant to post under your comment. Yeah, Miller is not a realiable source of information. Nor is the guy he hired for his stats. While the correlations exist, they are not causative.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 01:16 AM

Here is a quote from the ongoing survey: "The results of our survey with currently 11708 participants show that unvaccinated children are far less affected by common diseases than vaccinated children." Here is the link: http://www.vaccineinjury.info/vaccinations-in-general/health-unvaccinated-children/survey-results-illnesses.html

3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

(8395)

on January 12, 2013
at 12:51 AM

Native Americans were beautiful, strong, independent, free spirits who died by the tens of thousands from diseases to which they had no immunity--their traditions did not save them. Most people here are too young to remember what it was like before vaccines were widely available, the children who died from preventable illnesses or were crippled for life. That was commonplace as late as the 1950's. We've seen a resurgence in the number of infant DEATHS in my own county because of the number of unvaccinated older children. This should NOT be happening!

F0a9dea438e7943fa05da318773e785e

on January 11, 2013
at 10:12 PM

It's an interesting "study" although clinically speaking still small (1000 is small if looking at something from a global perspective, you shoot for at least 10000 or greater, I mean come on). If anyone in the Paleo community is still on the vaccine bandwagon I urge you to read the CDC publication on vaccine contents. The CDC admits this is not an exhaustive list of what's out there. Some of this stuff is known to be toxic folks. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on January 11, 2013
at 09:58 PM

Sarah, why get your knickers in a twist? I didn't see David extrapolating his positive N=1 to the population at large at all. In fact his response was quite balanced IMO. Much more so than yours anyhow.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on January 11, 2013
at 09:54 PM

which? the one I posted about infant mortality? or the German one?

Aa69579f867333b08158c70e25f7daf1

(1826)

on January 11, 2013
at 09:07 PM

David, you surely know that the "how my child does in my specific circumstance" does not count. A single data point might be part of a trend, or it might be an outlier. I hate it when people use the N=1 arguments to refute decades of bulletproof statistical research.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 11, 2013
at 08:40 PM

But their way of life and example of right living to mankind was a threat to plans for a global takeover of human health. So they were mostly eliminated and their way of life WAS eliminated. The gradual process of the industrial revolution and its chemicals (including vaccines) took over, along with a brainwashing campaign to eliminate from public view not only the healing ways of Native Americans but all other "alternative" ways of healing, even if thousands of years old.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 11, 2013
at 08:39 PM

But their way of life and example of right living to mankind was a threat to plans for a global takeover of human health. So they were mostly eliminated and their way of live WAS eliminated. The gradual process of the industrial revolution and its chemicals (including vaccines) took over, along with a brainwashing campaign to eliminate from public view not only the healing ways of Native Americans but all other "alternative" ways of healing, even if thousands of years old.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 11, 2013
at 08:38 PM

They were in tune with nature. They participated in nature's rhythms daily, seasonally, and yearly. They passed down traditions of living and healing from one generation to the next. The were beautiful strong independent free spirits completely capable of living in harmony with nature and taking care of themselves at all levels - SOMETHING ALL PALEO-MINDED FOLKS SHOULD EMULATE.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 11, 2013
at 08:25 PM

Here it is; http://journal.livingfood.us/2011/10/09/new-study-vaccinated-children-have-2-to-5-times-more-diseases-and-disorders-than-unvaccinated-children/

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 11, 2013
at 08:17 PM

People trying (pretending) to live a paleo lifestyle who believe in the good of vaccines and the chemical industry must have such a great internal conflict in their heads are about to explode.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 11, 2013
at 08:14 PM

People who follow a paleo lifestyle emulate a time in man's history when there were no vaccines, when the industrial revolution and its chemical nightmares did not exist. The failed experiment of making life for mankind "better through chemistry" has left us with a world where toxic environmental pollution has reached every corner of the earth. Dow, Dupont, BASF, etc did not have to make it that way. But their insane drive for profit at the expense of the health of every living thing on this planet has brought us to this point.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 11, 2013
at 08:12 PM

To give perspective, globally, 250,000 to 500,000 people die of ordinary flu-like illness every year. Yet this higher death rate accrues no interest as an epidemic. The global total of those "epidemic" deaths to date is less than 21,000, which is less than one tenth of the global deaths from flu-like illness EVERY YEAR (assuming they are 250,000, not 500,000 - then it would be less than one twentieth).

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 11, 2013
at 08:12 PM

Stephen, the brainwashed masses sure don't see how. They are far away from knowing how to repair their damaged immune systems, to trusting a strong immune system. And they are often afraid to see the truth: In case you are forced to take a vaccine consider these figures on the last several "epidemics." They are not yearly; they are grand totals, to date; global totals, except in the case of West Nile (US only): SARS: 774 deaths. WEST NILE: 1159 deaths. BIRD FLU: 262 deaths. SMALLPOX: (terrorist threat): 0 deaths. SWINE FLU: 18,500 deaths.

62fafa8cb15af7c562fa8c270f7b6174

(619)

on January 11, 2013
at 06:32 PM

Ditto here, my unvaccinated 16yo child has missed less than a week of school, but he's always eaten a whole-foods diet no sodas or fast food. Knowing how vaccines are produced, I have much more faith in basic sanitation and diet in preventing disease.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on January 11, 2013
at 05:36 PM

Better to die of completely preventable communicable disease than to vaccinate, you might get vague symptoms that others will link to your vaccination! How dreadful!

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on January 11, 2013
at 04:26 PM

Psh, I don't see how 20 or so vaccinations containing amounts of mercury that exceed the cdc's toxicity levels by a factor of 20 among other things within a child's first couple of days/weeks could possibly be a problem. Only conspiracy nuts think that there exists an elite group of people setting the world stage for a one world government via un, cfr,bis,who,world bank etc. it's not like the companies producing the vaccinations got their start producing biological weapons in ww2 or anything.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on January 11, 2013
at 04:04 PM

In short: no, I don't believe it.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on January 11, 2013
at 03:23 PM

Dude, link the study!

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1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on January 11, 2013
at 05:00 PM

Ask the Native Americans how they dealt with diseases naturally, without vaccines.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 11, 2013
at 08:39 PM

But their way of life and example of right living to mankind was a threat to plans for a global takeover of human health. So they were mostly eliminated and their way of live WAS eliminated. The gradual process of the industrial revolution and its chemicals (including vaccines) took over, along with a brainwashing campaign to eliminate from public view not only the healing ways of Native Americans but all other "alternative" ways of healing, even if thousands of years old.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:28 PM

It may be possible that if your country were to clean the water, treat the ill, and improve eating (nutrition) and living conditions, then people would have stronger immune systems and no perceived "need" for vaccines. That is the paleo way.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 11, 2013
at 08:40 PM

But their way of life and example of right living to mankind was a threat to plans for a global takeover of human health. So they were mostly eliminated and their way of life WAS eliminated. The gradual process of the industrial revolution and its chemicals (including vaccines) took over, along with a brainwashing campaign to eliminate from public view not only the healing ways of Native Americans but all other "alternative" ways of healing, even if thousands of years old.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 13, 2013
at 01:15 AM

Yes they died. Blanket loaded with small pox virus were given to their communities to guarantee maximum destruction. I never said the idea of vaccines was bad. It isn't. Its the chemicals and other things that are currently put in vaccines, which cause neurological damage (sometimes permanent) and other kinds of disablement. I once believed in vaccines until I saw the vaccine-induced autism over and over, sometimes in personal friends children. So I took a look - a real look. Be humble - take a real look. You can start here: youtube.com/watch?v=KS4vpqxl_VI

3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

(8395)

on January 12, 2013
at 12:51 AM

Native Americans were beautiful, strong, independent, free spirits who died by the tens of thousands from diseases to which they had no immunity--their traditions did not save them. Most people here are too young to remember what it was like before vaccines were widely available, the children who died from preventable illnesses or were crippled for life. That was commonplace as late as the 1950's. We've seen a resurgence in the number of infant DEATHS in my own county because of the number of unvaccinated older children. This should NOT be happening!

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 11, 2013
at 08:38 PM

They were in tune with nature. They participated in nature's rhythms daily, seasonally, and yearly. They passed down traditions of living and healing from one generation to the next. The were beautiful strong independent free spirits completely capable of living in harmony with nature and taking care of themselves at all levels - SOMETHING ALL PALEO-MINDED FOLKS SHOULD EMULATE.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 13, 2013
at 01:15 AM

Yes they died. Blankets loaded with small pox virus were given to their communities to guarantee maximum destruction. I never said the idea of vaccines was bad. It isn't. Its the chemicals and other things that are currently put in vaccines, which cause neurological damage (sometimes permanent) and other kinds of disablement. I once believed in vaccines until I saw the vaccine-induced autism over and over, sometimes in personal friends children. So I took a look - a real look. Be humble - take a real look. You can start here: youtube.com/watch?v=KS4vpqxl_VI

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 13, 2013
at 01:11 AM

Yes they died. Blanket loaded with small pox virus were given to their communities to guarantee maximum destruction. I never said the idea of vaccines was bad. It isn't. Its the chemicals and other things that are currently put in vaccines, which cause neurological damage (sometimes permanent) and other kinds of disablement. I once believed in vaccines until I saw the vaccine-induced autism over and over, sometimes in personal friends children. So I took a look - a real look. Be humble - take a real look. You can start here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS4vpqxl_VI

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on January 12, 2013
at 08:37 PM

Uh, David, the Native Americans lived the exact lifestyle you describe as the Paleo Way, yet they died by the hundreds of thousands when exposed to foreign diseases from which they had no immunity. You sound like you're only here for confirmation bias to support your BELIEF. Belief is not fact.

3
2336245491a87ee15d4fb8f8f8283909

(1173)

on January 11, 2013
at 05:01 PM

If it is what I think it is, it was an apples to oranges comparison of an informal internet survey with a German study and has little to do with reality.

I haven't vaccinated my child and he has only been sick maybe 3 times in his life so far...but the difference is related to diet. He's never had any processed foods.

62fafa8cb15af7c562fa8c270f7b6174

(619)

on January 11, 2013
at 06:32 PM

Ditto here, my unvaccinated 16yo child has missed less than a week of school, but he's always eaten a whole-foods diet no sodas or fast food. Knowing how vaccines are produced, I have much more faith in basic sanitation and diet in preventing disease.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on January 11, 2013
at 09:58 PM

Sarah, why get your knickers in a twist? I didn't see David extrapolating his positive N=1 to the population at large at all. In fact his response was quite balanced IMO. Much more so than yours anyhow.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:38 PM

But beyond that they take absolutely no responsibility for anything that happens to the person injected (baby, child, or adult). Even with that there are tens of thousands of counted serious adverse effects, including death. In reality there are high numbers of uncounted, unreported deaths, serious neurological damage, permanent neurological damage and other kinds of disablement.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 09:00 PM

In the summer of 2009, when the Center for Disease Control(CDC) saw that there was not an explosion of swine flu (that it wasn't anything), they stopped counting cases of swine flu. At that point when someone walked into a hospital and so much as coughed (or had a headache, or their eyes were watering, whatever) it was recorded as a case of swine flu - no tests, NOTHING. Then, unbelievably, in the late summer, the head of the CDC went public declaring that there were quite possibly tens of millions of Americans infected with the H1N1 virus for swine flu. Out of nowhere they came up with thi

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 09:03 PM

Out of nowhere they came up with this: "We stopped counting but we KNOW". Reality is whatever your government says it is.

Aa69579f867333b08158c70e25f7daf1

(1826)

on January 11, 2013
at 09:07 PM

David, you surely know that the "how my child does in my specific circumstance" does not count. A single data point might be part of a trend, or it might be an outlier. I hate it when people use the N=1 arguments to refute decades of bulletproof statistical research.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:59 PM

If you can promote a phony epidemic you can then convince people all over the world that they need to be vaccinated because otherwise they could die from this gigantic epidemic that is spreading everywhere. Let's take the swine flu. In the spring of 2009 the World Health Organization (WHO) declared swine flu a level 6 pandemic - basically the worst case scenario of what this flu will do - massive death.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:59 PM

But in the spring of 2009, when this was declared by WHO, 2 other things happened. First, at that moment, there were 20 confirmed cases of what was called swine flu on the planet. The second thing was that the WHO changed their definition of "pandemic". Suddenly a pandemic did not involve widespread death, or even severe illness. According to the new definition you could have a pandemic that was mild or just a threat or possibility. Or the "approching spector of illness", and for that reason, and that reason alone, a level 6 pandemic can be declared.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:49 PM

Matt, now you are only slightly aware of the depth of corruption you are supporting. Don't bet your health on it.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 09:03 PM

In the summer of 2009, when the Center for Disease Control(CDC) saw that there was not an explosion of swine flu (that it wasn't anything), they stopped counting cases of swine flu. At that point when someone walked into a hospital and so much as coughed (or had a headache, or their eyes were watering, whatever) it was recorded as a case of swine flu - no tests, NOTHING. Then, unbelievably, in the late summer, the head of the CDC went public declaring that there were quite possibly tens of millions of Americans infected with the H1N1 virus for swine flu.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 09:00 PM

But this was not revealed to the public. It was hidden from the press and the public. All people saw was level 6 pandemic, "warning, everybody is going to die". At the end of the swine flu hoax there were about 19,000 deaths on the planet from swine flu, ACCORDING TO GOVERNMENT STATS. If you go on the WHO website you see that they say that yearly, on average, ordinary seasonal flu kils between 300,000 and 500,000 people worldwide. But THAT IS NOT A PANDEMIC. But the swine flu, with 20 cases, is what they have to promote, so that everybody gets vaccinated.

85ab8328de1aabccf880f050983b6f03

on January 12, 2013
at 08:38 PM

Matt, this is reality: There are tens of thousands (probably hundreds of thousands) of adverse serious reactions to vaccines that go unreported to federal authorities. Why? Because only doctors can officially report them. Only if, within a few hours, a day, (or, at most, 2 days) the vaccine injection clearly causes a horrendous reaction, that cannot possibly be tied to anything other than the vaccine (even though they will try), will doctors admit it MIGHT be a reaction to the vaccine.

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on January 12, 2013
at 08:41 PM

These days there are deals between governments and drug companies - all over the world. These companies are supplying 100s of millions of doses of all kinds of vaccines to these governments to give to their citizens, and there is absolutely no liability whatsoever for the drug companies. If these adverse events were so rare why would these drug companies want to make a deal with governments to provide all these vaccines (which will be paid for by tax dollars) that says these drug companies can NEVER be liable for anything that happens, and, as part of the deal, those governments cannot retur

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on January 12, 2013
at 03:08 PM

I'm inclined to agree with Sarah's sentiment. It only continues to delude folks like David Marino into thinking non-vaccination has merit.

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on January 12, 2013
at 08:48 PM

Governments and drug companies make deals that supply 100s of millions of doses vaccines to citizens, and there is absolutely no liability whatsoever for the drug companies. If these adverse events were so rare why would these drug companies want to make a deal with governments to provide all these vaccines (which will be paid for by tax dollars) that says these drug companies can NEVER be liable for anything that happens, and, as part of the deal, those governments cannot return the vaccine stocks to these companies if people do not show up in large numbers to be vaccinated?

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on January 12, 2013
at 04:47 AM

Makes sense to me because I've seen this with my own eyes with our children. Our oldest was vaccinated and got croup and other respitory ilnesses as well as sinus problems continuously. He was on antibiotics all the time and nothing helped to boost his immune system (vitamins, probiotics, organic non-processed food). He was also diagnosed with athletically induced asthma. Finally at age 11 he seems to be better and not getting sick anymore. We only eat organic and clean foods at home. Our second child had 2 doses of vaccines and we stopped vaccinating because of a reaction with very high fevers and lack if responsiveness. She rarely gets sick and if she happens to get a cold, she gets over it on her own in about 24 hours. Our youngest who is 3 hasn't been vaccinated at all and very rarely gets sick eventhough he attends preschool full of germs. I'm amazed at the health difference of our children comparing them from infancy to preschool years and nothing else is different between them other than the amount of vaccines they received when they were young.

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on January 12, 2013
at 04:06 PM

"I'm amazed at the health difference of our children comparing them from infancy to preschool years and nothing else is different between them other than the amount of vaccines they received when they were young." Yeah, that and the fact that they are three completely different people.

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on January 11, 2013
at 04:07 PM

Jeff, did you read the whole paper published?

It's a joke. Really.

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on January 11, 2013
at 09:54 PM

which? the one I posted about infant mortality? or the German one?

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on January 12, 2013
at 11:04 AM

meant to post under your comment. Yeah, Miller is not a realiable source of information. Nor is the guy he hired for his stats. While the correlations exist, they are not causative.

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on January 12, 2013
at 01:19 PM

I have 2 children who have been vaccinated. They are strong, healthy kids who are taller than most kids their age - I'd say in the top 5%. They don't get sick very often and when they do, they recover very quickly. I think that illness in children has alot to do with genetics. I've recently started eating paleo. I'm about 95% paleo, my daughter is about 75%, and my son (he's 14 and an elite athlete) is about 60% paleo. We live in a rural area which I think impacts on general wellness - clean air to breathe, fresh water, more outside time, etc. IMHO anyway. :)

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on January 13, 2013
at 02:07 AM

A mother's pre-natal health and nutrition status has a lot to do with the health of her children, especially their immune systems. Living in a rural environment, as opposed to a city, plays a significant positive role in her health and her children's health as they develop. A big part of this health is bacterial balance within the gut and detoxification ability, both of which influence weather on not the child removes from his/her system mercury, aluminum and other potential threats that unfortunately tag along with vaccines.

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on January 11, 2013
at 03:47 PM

Please include a link to that study. But yes I would believe it after reading this paper

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644

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on January 11, 2013
at 08:25 PM

Here it is; http://journal.livingfood.us/2011/10/09/new-study-vaccinated-children-have-2-to-5-times-more-diseases-and-disorders-than-unvaccinated-children/

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