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The latest news on vaccines

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 23, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Have you seen the latest ruling in a court in Italy that the MMR vaccine could have given this boy autism?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160054/MMR-A-mothers-victory-The-vast-majority-doctors-say-link-triple-jab-autism-Italian-court-case-reignite-controversial-debate.html#ixzz1y0DhDThU

Does this change things here?

I found it very interesting that they said the boy had gastroenteritits before getting the shots... could his leaky gut have contributed to this?

Also, the article says that "research which implied there was an association between the MMR and both inflammatory bowel disease and autism has been discredited."

The research methods may have been discredited but that doesn't mean the actual connection is discredited.

A contentious topic, any thoughts on this?

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on June 23, 2012
at 09:16 PM

"the risks of vaccination are outweighed by the benefits of disease prevention." - I would say its the other way around. Rather than subject kids to vaccinations, nurse them longer, and look at vitaman D levels to fight off infections.

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on June 23, 2012
at 06:16 PM

Autism is complex and likely multifactorial. These vaccines are administered at about the same time that autism would be diagnosed. It's possible that they noticed symptoms of autism shortly after vaccination but it's likely true, true and unrelated. My guess is that this court case was based on inability to prove that the vaccine was not the cause as opposed to proving the vaccine absolutely was the cause.

That being said, nothing is without risk. Nothing in medicine is 100% good or 100% bad. A lot of medicine is making the best possible choice based on likelihood of outcomes-- Comparing the risks and benefits

On one side of there is the likelihood of an unvaccinated child contracting measles/mumps/rubella and the likelihood of dying (1 in 3000 for measles based on the article you linked to) or having some other significant complication of measles/mumps/rubella if they do contract one of these illnesses.

On the other side there is the hypothetical risk of autism from the vaccine, adverse reactions to egg proteins in the vaccine, rare aseptic meningitis, joint pain, crying children, skin infections if the person administering the vaccine spit on the needle before injecting, blah blah blah.

Making this more complicated is the public health implication of non vaccination. If we are only considering one child in an industrial country where vaccination is standard practice, the risk of contracting measles is extremely low because of herd immunity. Essentially the more people who are vaccinated against a disease, the less likely that disease is to spread in the population. The more unvaccinated people in a population, the less herd immunity. There's also the risk of spreading the disease to someone with a compromised immune system or a pregnant woman. Congenital rubella makes for a pretty bad day.

This is a very convoluted way of saying that, in my medical opinion, the risks of vaccination are outweighed by the benefits of disease prevention.

Bcc4479de4f16939076e0a00e2db1261

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on June 23, 2012
at 09:16 PM

"the risks of vaccination are outweighed by the benefits of disease prevention." - I would say its the other way around. Rather than subject kids to vaccinations, nurse them longer, and look at vitaman D levels to fight off infections.

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on June 23, 2012
at 08:23 PM

The amount of preservatives, media, adjuvants, and of course the disease cells in all the vaccines newborns and toddlers are given, and the sheer number of them given at one time and within the first two yars of life, CANNOT BE GOOD FOR THE IMMUNE SYTSTEM.

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on June 24, 2012
at 01:18 AM

on my soapbox now...

My vaccine experience is mostly with animals, but I can tell you it has not been good.

We have a ton of animals getting the very disease (parvo in this case) shortly after being vaccinated for it.

I see a lot of vaccine reactions. Too many, in my opinion for there not to be some causation along with the correlation. This ranges from seizures and encephalitis, sudden aggression and auto-immune disorders like immune mediated hemolytic anemia.

Then there are all the non-vaccinated animals I see. Both the ones I know of and my own are far far healthier than the vaccinated ones. Case in point, I had a nursing mom with eight 8 week old puppies. Then I brought in two pups from a shelter (fully vaccinated, 12 weeks old). The shelter dogs died a horrible death from parvo. The unvaccinated ones with the mom had mild cases of parvo that resolved themselves (I did, however, spend hundreds at the vet parvo testing them).

Anyhow, there is a great human book called Vaccine A. If you think vaccines are harmless, I would read this book.

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