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Strict Paleo for 3 months...gaining instead of losing! Help!

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 10, 2012 at 2:44 AM

Hi All--- I know there are some questions in the que that are similar to this, but I've read through them and feel like the answers don't quite work, so I'm throwing out my own questions.

I'm 37, a pro modern dancer (currently teaching more than rehearsing) and I teach about 10-15 hours of dance a week. I usually lift heavy weights to exhaustion for 20 min and walk for 30... doing this 3x/wk, and walking for 45-60 min another 1 or 2 days (on top of my dancing schedule). BUT -- for this and next week, I'm on a workout break (suggested by my acupuncutrist because my adrenals are showing signs of fatigue.....He is also the person that suggested I start Paleo).

I have been eating Paleo (NO grains, NO fruit) for 3 months. And... I've been gaining weight...... which, for a performer, is both a bit scary and can be the kiss of death for a dancer. Prior to this, I was on a gluten/dairy/soy free diet (due to allergies) and ate very few carbs anyway, so this is not a massive shift, but somewhat different. Below is a sample day of eating.

My questions: Is this normal? How long (roughly) can I expect before things start to shift in the other direction?

Sample Diet: Breakfast: 2 egg omelette with various sauteed veggies, at least a cup sauteed chard or kale with garlic, olive oil and lemon, 2-3 strips bacon, roobois tea or decaf coffee. Lunch: 7-8 slices deli turkey, huge salad with beet greens/dandelion greens/ veggies and sometimes pepperoni slices OR sauteed brussels or other veggies. Supper: Buffalo burger / Chicken breast / pork chop /Talapia (1 of these) and oven baked veggies.... beets and brussels or something like that, usually with olive oil and balsamic vinegar or lemon... maybe dried herbs.

I DO have a hard time making it from breakfast to lunch sometimes with my teaching and keep salami, turkey jerky, hard boiled eggs, or raw cashews as snacks if I need (but I try not to snack if I can avoid it.) I have about 1 glass red wine a week and about 2-3 squares super dark chocolate a few times a week.

I'm hoping someone can give me some experienced and wise words. Feelin' pretty discouraged.

Angie

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on April 26, 2012
at 08:01 PM

I am not going to read a book by a journalist who is a non-scientist/medical community member says nonsensical things like 'eat all the protein and fat you want' and the 'laws of physics do not apply'. It is pseudoscience at best and it takes a simple Google search of him to find the scientific community's criticism and repudiation of his book.

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on April 12, 2012
at 06:42 PM

Jenny- have read "Why We Get Fat"..... am reading Paleo Solution (Wolf) now. I'm no board. It makes sense to my brain... just not to my body yet apparently.

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on April 12, 2012
at 12:09 AM

Again, Mark, go read some Gary Taubes or the like, and get back to us.

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on April 11, 2012
at 12:48 AM

Thinking algorithmically is a step-by-step problem-solving procedure, especially an established, recursive computational procedure for solving a problem in a finite number of steps. I think you meant intuitively or instinctively. You know what is good versus bad and stick to what is good then eat till you are full not stuffed. I'm just getting you back for centurion. ;) Seriously though, congratulations on your weight loss and continued success. That is really impressive and good story to share.

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on April 11, 2012
at 12:22 AM

Nice.... thanks for the info. That is reassuring! How do you choose when to limit starch (which I'm not really eating any of except plant/veg) and limit fat?

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on April 11, 2012
at 12:09 AM

It's really not. I'm down 150lbs while NEVER counting calories. I have fit day and use it only to find out if a food has a good density of nutrition compared to others. Beside that I eat mindfully, enjoy my food, limit starch and fruit OR fat on a meal by meal basis. It's thinking algorithmically.

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on April 10, 2012
at 11:16 PM

K-- will do!.....

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on April 10, 2012
at 10:17 PM

Best of luck angie. Post on the progress when you figure things out.

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on April 10, 2012
at 08:43 PM

Yup..... work arounds. It IS challenging at times. These things (calorie counting and food logs, etc) are not too triggering when I'm not having weight gain, but are prone to send me into unrealistic behaviors when I AM.

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on April 10, 2012
at 08:32 PM

Thanks MeepslsWellfed... I'll check out the links! (I am not convinced I'm gaining muscle... this doesn't act or look like muscle....but if it is, I'd really like to cut the fat on top of it.)

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on April 10, 2012
at 06:55 PM

"You need fat in your diet everyday or you body will take what little you give it and store it. If your brain thinks fat is rare, then as soon as you eat it, your brain will make that fat into storage on your body" Erm... wtf?

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

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on April 10, 2012
at 06:29 PM

Sorry, I missed that in the extra comments. It must be difficult to set up a nutrition plan without knowing your caloric intake.

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on April 10, 2012
at 06:12 PM

Mark, the OP stated she has had an ED in the past and calorie-counting is triggering for her--hence the workarounds.

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on April 10, 2012
at 04:37 PM

Now I'm probably a 12 or 14. Ugh.

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on April 10, 2012
at 04:37 PM

I wish that was the case. I don't weigh myself. After a long road of recovering from eating disordered behavior, I stopped because it was way too triggering. So-- I just go by clothes fit. Prior to all this, I wore a size 8-10 (I'm 5'4"). I don't mind looking fit and strong. I do mind looking dense, cottage-cheesy, and feeling heavy and slow. As a modern dancer, I don't adhere to the waif-thin dancer stereotype as the ballet world tends to. I don't know what my BF looks like. I can see the difference on my body between healthy muscle gain and fat gain and this is the latter.

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on April 10, 2012
at 04:02 PM

Can I ask why size you wear and how much you weigh? It's possible your weight gain is just driving you into the normal range for a healthy woman and that this isn't unhealthy at all....unless you are a dancer. Do you know what your BF % looks like?

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:49 PM

yeah-- that is why I'm on a break from the work out, presently. Supposed to be about 2 week break and the gradual adding back in.) That just started this week. The weight gain started last month and then has been slowly increasing with no working out.

6d74a9b0c3eb9fdb27f40c9f4b77fd3f

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:46 PM

Thanks gismcieri-- the walking tends to lower my stress levels, where the dancing is more high intensity. Not sure what the best route on the lifting will be. Some comments say more.. some less. I do find, when I increase it, I begin to have burn out issues.

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:44 PM

Thanks SB. I totally understand your frustration. This is the most weight I've gained in years. (My sleep this month has not been too great either..... best intenstions, but toss & turn.) Thanks for your comment. I do see my acupuncturist again in a week and am hoping for some shifting of things.

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:42 PM

I can't have dairy.

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:37 PM

tdgor- definitely not too thin before. I'm 5'4" and wore about a size 8-10 before (with my problem areas as butt and thighs being a little bigger than svelt and muscular). I can do food diaries when I need to as long as it doesn't extend past a week... the issue is the calorie counting itself. (Trigger city.) Thanks for your advice.

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:34 PM

I will check out the coffee option. I only do decaf 1-2 days a week.

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:31 PM

sarah--- even more fat? I cook everything in bacon grease, olive oil, and/or coconut oil... eat bacon daily... at upped the percentage of fat in my ground meat. Is this still too little? (The "no fruit" is temporary..... I think it is an attempt to get my body to burn fat instead of the sugars....)

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:29 PM

Interesting, MrsD. I don't have big thyroid issues but boarderline hypothyroid. Stranges part is, I have FELT better eating low carb and high fat and protein since starting this. (Better digestion, improving energy). The weight gain has been the down side so far.

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:23 PM

Ah-- Terry.... thanks for the insight. It's possible.

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on April 10, 2012
at 01:58 PM

I think you are overexercising and under eating carbs. I too have adrenal issues and find if I exercise too hard I gain fat. I think the adrenals cause the release of too much glucose when overdoing it and this causes weight gain. This is totally my experience have no proof other than that.

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on April 10, 2012
at 01:57 PM

Olive oil is absolutely **fine** for normal cooking. It's *not* fine for high temperature cooking (e.g. deep drying, high-heat pan fry). I.e, if it's smoking, you've already crossed the line. Having said that, I agree with the gist of your idea. ALso, avocado oil may be a safer bet if you are craving to cook with some MUFAs.

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on April 10, 2012
at 01:57 PM

Olive oil is absolutely **fine**for normal cooking. It's *not* fine for high temperature cooking (e.g. deep drying, high-heat pan fry). I.e, if it's smoking, you've already crossed the line. Having said that, I agree with the gist of your idea. ALso, avocado oil may be a safer bet if you are craving to cook with some MUFAs.

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on April 10, 2012
at 12:53 PM

your body will not liberate as much fat for energy if it thinks calories are rare, not if it thinks fat is. calories are king. but yeah, fruit is not dangerous if you are a human, fruit bat, or an ape (i.e. a species of animal that does not endogenously produce its own vitamin c and must get it from external sources).

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on April 10, 2012
at 12:23 PM

foreveryoung - Perhaps because there is no one miracle "answer"?

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on April 10, 2012
at 07:56 AM

You need fiber and cellulose? I definitely second your advice, but the reasons you mention are a bit weird. I lost fat by eating lots and lots of fruit and removing all veggies. It's kinda weird you say the OP doesn't get enough fiber : after all, he eats a big ass salad.

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on April 10, 2012
at 04:37 AM

LikesLardinMayo- mainly butt, thighs and a little tummy (which I NEVER gain in). Boobs swollen, but that is more due right now to PMS. foreveryoung--I have tried every nutrition plan known to man in the last 10 years of my life. Not everything will work for everyone. Part of the reason I was placed on paleo is also about hormone balance for illnesses... not just weight loss, but I am looking to lose some. What is your suggestion?

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on April 10, 2012
at 03:56 AM

You'd think with so many posts like these, word would get out the VLC, animal based paleo diet isn't the answer to the diobesity epidemic.

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on April 10, 2012
at 03:46 AM

Tight in bum? Tummy? Boob? Where are you gaining weight?

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on April 10, 2012
at 03:12 AM

Oh--- tdgor.... my 1st month paleo, I lost weight. Nothing changed dietarily after that, but the weight gain started in month 2.

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on April 10, 2012
at 03:11 AM

I know, sometimes, when you gain muscle and lose fat, it changes the scale, but I don't weigh (it's too triggering for me). Usually when that happens for me, my clothes fit better instead of worse.

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on April 10, 2012
at 03:09 AM

I have been gaining muscle with the workouts for a while before this but didn't have much trouble, during that, with clothes fitting. Now, all of a sudden, my clothes don't fit.

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on April 10, 2012
at 03:07 AM

The weight gain doesn't make it impossible to teach, but does make it harder and uncomfortable. Right now, none of my regular or dressy clothes fit. (too tight) I look thick all over.

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on April 10, 2012
at 03:05 AM

I don't know by the lb. (After long bouts with eating disorders, I stopped weighing myself about 10 years ago and just go by how I look and how my clothes fit.) Before this, weight gain fluxed a bit annually, but never to this degree. It stayed around the same 1-2 sizes in clothes for about 8 years.

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:53 AM

If you're mostly teaching, will weight gain affect your ability to teach? Do your clothes/costumes still fit?

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:52 AM

How much weight? When did the weight gain start? How long was your weight stable before you started gaining, or was it?

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 10, 2012
at 05:07 AM

You have adrenal issues and are lifting to failure? Bad idea! I'm gonna just toss out a guess that you are putting some heavy strain on your body. You have a physically active job and you are working out. If you like low-carb than think of activities like Yoga, walking/hiking or if you lift think of doing singles or doubles and keep the session to 2-3 lifts, keep it heavy and go.

If you like carbs? Eat more of 'em. Roll your fat back a bit, toss some berries in with breakfast, and a bit of yam with lunch and supper. Not a lot. Maybe 1/2 a yam with each meal and 1/2 cup berries with breakfast.

I'd also watch the processed meat. Stick with real cuts for a while and slowly add the salami and stuff back in once you are doing better.

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:49 PM

yeah-- that is why I'm on a break from the work out, presently. Supposed to be about 2 week break and the gradual adding back in.) That just started this week. The weight gain started last month and then has been slowly increasing with no working out.

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870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:14 PM

With everything you've described taken into account, it sounds like you are indeed actually adding fat rather than muscle to your body. Would an objective observer (one outside the dance world, mind you) have been likely to describe you as "too thin" before this?

Given that you had a fairly restricted diet before, I wonder if you haven't increased your caloric intake substantially by upping your intake of fats and oils when you eliminated fruit. We tend to eat the same volume of food over time, and by switching to a more calorie-dense diet with more (?) meats and fats/oils, you might be doing a sort of reverse-volumetrics diet, if you know what I mean.

With your history of ED, I suppose a food diary would be triggering. If you could handle it for a week, though, you might get a handle on calorie counts.

You might consider, when you go back to exercise, reducing the walks and increasing the weight training, which should help restore the fit of your clothes.

That's all I got.

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:37 PM

tdgor- definitely not too thin before. I'm 5'4" and wore about a size 8-10 before (with my problem areas as butt and thighs being a little bigger than svelt and muscular). I can do food diaries when I need to as long as it doesn't extend past a week... the issue is the calorie counting itself. (Trigger city.) Thanks for your advice.

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on April 10, 2012
at 05:48 PM

Congratulations, you are most likely gaining muscle. Just say NO to the scale. The scale is often a big fat liar. I've put mine in time out. My pants are my gauge these days. Then again my thigh muscles were getting so big that my pants were barely fitting. Thankfully I can count on my on the waste band to tell me a thing or to and it told me I was doing good.

Since you're so active and you're low carb you might try carb refeeds to try and mitigate the weight gain and maybe even lean out again. I've tried it a couple of times and I have to say I'm a fan. I feel a bit better and have more energy. My pants seem to be getting looser but I think it's too early to draw conclusions on that. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/carb-refeeding-and-weight-loss/

If you're having trouble with adrenals you can learn more about it right here on PaleoHacks. Nourish the body, don't torture it into submission. You'll be glad you did.
http://paleohacks.com/search?q=adrenal+fatigue#axzz1reoSaAtl

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on April 10, 2012
at 10:17 PM

Best of luck angie. Post on the progress when you figure things out.

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on April 10, 2012
at 08:32 PM

Thanks MeepslsWellfed... I'll check out the links! (I am not convinced I'm gaining muscle... this doesn't act or look like muscle....but if it is, I'd really like to cut the fat on top of it.)

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on April 10, 2012
at 11:16 PM

K-- will do!.....

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on April 10, 2012
at 11:43 AM

SLEEP!!!!!!!! No TV after 7pm and get to bed by 10pm. You need 8 hours of good sleep to be healthy and to allow your body to heal itself.

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on April 10, 2012
at 07:48 AM

I learned the hard way. I also gained a lot of weight going low-carb. I'm sorry you relate to the experience. Weight gain feels so frightening. I was eating high-fat though, so I don't know if I can give you any advice. But yeah, I've been doing low-carb, high fat. This is the most I've weighed in about 1.5 years and I just CANNOT handle this weight...needless to say, I'm going to enjoy my apples again and cut down on fat. Hopefully this will take my weight down a few notches.

Best of luck getting everything figured out. And I hope you get good sleep and can take a few breaths and relax.

Take care.

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:44 PM

Thanks SB. I totally understand your frustration. This is the most weight I've gained in years. (My sleep this month has not been too great either..... best intenstions, but toss & turn.) Thanks for your comment. I do see my acupuncturist again in a week and am hoping for some shifting of things.

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on April 10, 2012
at 05:40 AM

uh, you should really eat fruit. why are you just eating meat and leafy greans? You need fiber that fruit can give you, cellulose and micronutrients. I personally dont believe fruit is bad and I don't limit my fruit consumption at all, but if you are set on no carbs try berries, cranberry-goji-black-rasb all high in fiber polyphenols and low in sugar. It sounds like you aren't getting enough Fiber and you probably aren't getting enough fat. You need fat in your diet everyday or you body will take what little you give it and store it. If your brain thinks fat is rare, then as soon as you eat it, your brain will make that fat into storage on your body because it doesn't know when you could be getting more.

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on April 10, 2012
at 12:53 PM

your body will not liberate as much fat for energy if it thinks calories are rare, not if it thinks fat is. calories are king. but yeah, fruit is not dangerous if you are a human, fruit bat, or an ape (i.e. a species of animal that does not endogenously produce its own vitamin c and must get it from external sources).

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on April 10, 2012
at 06:55 PM

"You need fat in your diet everyday or you body will take what little you give it and store it. If your brain thinks fat is rare, then as soon as you eat it, your brain will make that fat into storage on your body" Erm... wtf?

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on April 10, 2012
at 07:56 AM

You need fiber and cellulose? I definitely second your advice, but the reasons you mention are a bit weird. I lost fat by eating lots and lots of fruit and removing all veggies. It's kinda weird you say the OP doesn't get enough fiber : after all, he eats a big ass salad.

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:31 PM

sarah--- even more fat? I cook everything in bacon grease, olive oil, and/or coconut oil... eat bacon daily... at upped the percentage of fat in my ground meat. Is this still too little? (The "no fruit" is temporary..... I think it is an attempt to get my body to burn fat instead of the sugars....)

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on April 10, 2012
at 02:46 AM

Are you gaining muscle? You should get a bodyfat check. I gained 11 pounds but went down 4% bodyfat

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on April 10, 2012
at 03:09 AM

I have been gaining muscle with the workouts for a while before this but didn't have much trouble, during that, with clothes fitting. Now, all of a sudden, my clothes don't fit.

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on April 10, 2012
at 03:11 AM

I know, sometimes, when you gain muscle and lose fat, it changes the scale, but I don't weigh (it's too triggering for me). Usually when that happens for me, my clothes fit better instead of worse.

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on April 10, 2012
at 01:58 PM

Why are you walking with your dance schedule. Walking is for the movement. If you are moving all day you dont need to walk more. Also cut back on the lifting 2 heavy days will be more then enough for strength and health.

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at 02:46 PM

Thanks gismcieri-- the walking tends to lower my stress levels, where the dancing is more high intensity. Not sure what the best route on the lifting will be. Some comments say more.. some less. I do find, when I increase it, I begin to have burn out issues.

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on April 10, 2012
at 10:12 AM

I think the answer is in the adrenal issues. People with thyroid and adrenal issues often suffer from going low carb. I put on weight going low carb and when I went back to my lovely carbs, the weight came back off.

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on April 10, 2012
at 04:37 PM

Now I'm probably a 12 or 14. Ugh.

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at 02:29 PM

Interesting, MrsD. I don't have big thyroid issues but boarderline hypothyroid. Stranges part is, I have FELT better eating low carb and high fat and protein since starting this. (Better digestion, improving energy). The weight gain has been the down side so far.

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at 04:37 PM

I wish that was the case. I don't weigh myself. After a long road of recovering from eating disordered behavior, I stopped because it was way too triggering. So-- I just go by clothes fit. Prior to all this, I wore a size 8-10 (I'm 5'4"). I don't mind looking fit and strong. I do mind looking dense, cottage-cheesy, and feeling heavy and slow. As a modern dancer, I don't adhere to the waif-thin dancer stereotype as the ballet world tends to. I don't know what my BF looks like. I can see the difference on my body between healthy muscle gain and fat gain and this is the latter.

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on April 10, 2012
at 04:02 PM

Can I ask why size you wear and how much you weigh? It's possible your weight gain is just driving you into the normal range for a healthy woman and that this isn't unhealthy at all....unless you are a dancer. Do you know what your BF % looks like?

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on April 10, 2012
at 05:11 AM

I'd try coconut oil,2 tablespoons daily.Your diet seems good,but try some bananas or sweet potatoes after the weight lifting.You might need to incorporate more carbs.Also,are you getting enough sleep.

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on April 10, 2012
at 01:04 PM

Looks like a lot of toxins ( heated olive oil and decaf coffee!! EGADS!) Looks like you need to focus on food quality. Cook with grassfed butter and coconut oil. The saturated fats tend not to oxidize at high temps. The olive oil is ok in moderation RAW for a salad or something. I would highly recommend you check out bulletproofexec.com. Check out the info graphics he has put up showing the toxicity of things some think to be healthy. I start my day with his bulletproof coffee recipe.

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at 02:34 PM

I will check out the coffee option. I only do decaf 1-2 days a week.

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on April 10, 2012
at 01:57 PM

Olive oil is absolutely **fine**for normal cooking. It's *not* fine for high temperature cooking (e.g. deep drying, high-heat pan fry). I.e, if it's smoking, you've already crossed the line. Having said that, I agree with the gist of your idea. ALso, avocado oil may be a safer bet if you are craving to cook with some MUFAs.

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(5)

on April 10, 2012
at 02:42 PM

I can't have dairy.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 10, 2012
at 01:57 PM

Olive oil is absolutely **fine** for normal cooking. It's *not* fine for high temperature cooking (e.g. deep drying, high-heat pan fry). I.e, if it's smoking, you've already crossed the line. Having said that, I agree with the gist of your idea. ALso, avocado oil may be a safer bet if you are craving to cook with some MUFAs.

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81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:21 PM

I might have missed it, but no where in this analysis did you mention your total calorie intake/expenditure per day.

None of us are immune to the laws of thermodynamics. It does not matter what you eat, but how much eat. If you eat more calories than you expend on a regular basis, you will gain weight. This is not a function of a specific diet. You can lose weight on an all junk food diet if you eat less calories than you expend. It should be noted that protein can only be converted to fat if it is not used by your body. Carbs are necessary for energy.

As fun as this is, create a spread sheet and account for your calories. If you want to lose weight, you have to create a calorie deficit.

6d74a9b0c3eb9fdb27f40c9f4b77fd3f

(5)

on April 10, 2012
at 08:43 PM

Yup..... work arounds. It IS challenging at times. These things (calorie counting and food logs, etc) are not too triggering when I'm not having weight gain, but are prone to send me into unrealistic behaviors when I AM.

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(2056)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:12 PM

Mark, the OP stated she has had an ED in the past and calorie-counting is triggering for her--hence the workarounds.

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(78467)

on April 11, 2012
at 12:09 AM

It's really not. I'm down 150lbs while NEVER counting calories. I have fit day and use it only to find out if a food has a good density of nutrition compared to others. Beside that I eat mindfully, enjoy my food, limit starch and fruit OR fat on a meal by meal basis. It's thinking algorithmically.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on April 11, 2012
at 12:48 AM

Thinking algorithmically is a step-by-step problem-solving procedure, especially an established, recursive computational procedure for solving a problem in a finite number of steps. I think you meant intuitively or instinctively. You know what is good versus bad and stick to what is good then eat till you are full not stuffed. I'm just getting you back for centurion. ;) Seriously though, congratulations on your weight loss and continued success. That is really impressive and good story to share.

6d74a9b0c3eb9fdb27f40c9f4b77fd3f

(5)

on April 11, 2012
at 12:22 AM

Nice.... thanks for the info. That is reassuring! How do you choose when to limit starch (which I'm not really eating any of except plant/veg) and limit fat?

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on April 10, 2012
at 06:29 PM

Sorry, I missed that in the extra comments. It must be difficult to set up a nutrition plan without knowing your caloric intake.

6d74a9b0c3eb9fdb27f40c9f4b77fd3f

(5)

on April 12, 2012
at 06:42 PM

Jenny- have read "Why We Get Fat"..... am reading Paleo Solution (Wolf) now. I'm no board. It makes sense to my brain... just not to my body yet apparently.

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(11577)

on April 12, 2012
at 12:09 AM

Again, Mark, go read some Gary Taubes or the like, and get back to us.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on April 26, 2012
at 08:01 PM

I am not going to read a book by a journalist who is a non-scientist/medical community member says nonsensical things like 'eat all the protein and fat you want' and the 'laws of physics do not apply'. It is pseudoscience at best and it takes a simple Google search of him to find the scientific community's criticism and repudiation of his book.

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