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Ulcer trouble with transition to Paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 16, 2011 at 7:16 PM

My sis's ulcer has acted up severely since transitioning to strict paleo from a diet of mostly sugar and french fries. She's at the point now where any food is causing stomach pain/nausea, and feels she must try some starchy foods again to get some nourishment.

Even bone broth and stewed meat is proving hard for her stomach to handle at this point. She has some serious hormone dysregulation issues so she was trying to be pretty low-carb but now just wants to be able to eat something. Multiple food allergies are complicating the picture.

It seems higher-protein meals would cause more release of stomach acid, which in most people would be a good thing but maybe not when healing from an ulcer? Thoughts/experiences/ideas? (We are working with a doc also.)

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on September 17, 2011
at 12:56 AM

maybe all that manuka honey i ate deteriorated my intestines, causing me leaky gut, allowing toxins to enter my bloodstream. of course all this raises my cortisol due to stress, causing poor thyroid function and a surge of LDL production to transport the new toxins, thereby suppressing my HDL and forcing my liver to churn out triglycerides.

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on September 17, 2011
at 12:39 AM

http://stephen-a-christensen.suite101.com/is-manuka-honey-safe-a78850

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on September 16, 2011
at 11:38 PM

Manuka honey's "active" factor that they are so damn secretive about is none other than methylglyoxal, which is bad shit. Don't put it in your body. If you're in the New Zealand outback and get MRSA on your skin maybe manuka honey has a use. For everyone else, stick with bacitricin.

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on September 16, 2011
at 10:03 PM

(she is, meanwhile, still eating manuka honey in spite of the allergy since we're not sure if it matters, being from a different plant).

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on September 16, 2011
at 10:02 PM

I've heard many people report success with manuka honey. My impression was that it worked mainly because it helps control the H. pylori infection long enough to let the ulcer heal. However not all ulcers are from H. pylori-- her blood test is negative and she has a long history of painkiller use which is the likely cause of the ulcer.

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on September 16, 2011
at 10:00 PM

Me and HCl are like this (crossing fingers) but ulcers and HCl are not great friends, right? Question is, how with paleo can we avoid making the ulcer situation temporarily worse, as seems to be happening?

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

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on September 16, 2011
at 09:58 PM

Even bone broth and stewed meat is proving hard for her stomach to handle at this point.

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

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on September 16, 2011
at 09:52 PM

This is wise, thanks

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on September 16, 2011
at 09:48 PM

I wonder what fasting does to stomach acid levels, and what stomach acid levels do to ulcers and/or H.Pylori…

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on September 16, 2011
at 08:52 PM

ok so did you guys look at the link? i've never had a peptic ulcer, so I can't give any personal experience but they talk about that in that link. that's what it's all about. people are having great results with it. that's just one source. i've done additional research well beyond that site and found it to be nearly unanimous. ya'll are commenting as if I put forward some kind of ludicrous notion by recommending active manuka honey for an ulcer.

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on September 16, 2011
at 08:30 PM

A peptic ulcer is not the same as an open skin wound, it's an erosion of the lining and slathering something acidic all over it would be the worst thing one could do. Anything sugary or spicy would be bad.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on September 16, 2011
at 08:07 PM

allergic to honey? wow. never heard of that one. I suppose it makes sense though, since many people are allergic to bee pollen, which is essentially the source of honey. sorry to hear that it wasn't helping :(

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on September 16, 2011
at 08:06 PM

allergic to honey? wow. never heard of that one. I suppose it makes sense though, since many people are allergic to bee pollen and that is the source of honey. sorry to hear that it wasn't helping :(

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

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on September 16, 2011
at 07:54 PM

Been three weeks now and steadily getting worse...

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

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on September 16, 2011
at 07:53 PM

Has been trying it but getting worse, also just showed allergic to honey by skin prick test.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on September 16, 2011
at 07:50 PM

Jay - people put this directly on open flesh burn wounds. People try all kinds of crazy drugs for ulcers. What's wrong with trying natural honey?

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on September 16, 2011
at 07:46 PM

I would not try this on an inflamed ulcer, or really ever.

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A64ed062eb5e2c3407122fcf16c5de6b

on September 16, 2011
at 09:46 PM

I don't think you want to stress her body extra by switching to a relatively extreme (low carb) diet from what it was. Stress in any form is not good.

Just removing sugar/excessive fructose and wheat from her diet and otherwise not changing anything should be a gentler approach, no? Just replace those bad carbs with good carbs like white rice, sweet potatoes etc.

Furthermore, the body uses glucose to create mucus and if there's not enough glucose available, the body may decide to make less mucus, thus exposing the stomach lining even more to its acid. See Paul Jaminet's post on this: Dangers of Zero-Carb Diets, II: Mucus Deficiency and Gastrointestinal Cancers.

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

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on September 16, 2011
at 09:52 PM

This is wise, thanks

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on September 16, 2011
at 08:44 PM

I gradually weaned off my ppi and really watched the sugar in any form. I found that apples helped with the pain too (I had an ulcer)...this isn't by any means advice or expert opinion but it was my experience.

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on March 24, 2013
at 10:16 PM

Umm how bout some Pantoprazole (Protonix) ... to help heal the ulcers?

There is no substitute for legitimate medical solutions.

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on September 17, 2011
at 07:50 AM

Has she tried Mastic Gum? It coats the stomach and helps to get rid of the ulcer!

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on September 16, 2011
at 09:32 PM

Yah - look into a PepZin GI supplement.

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on September 16, 2011
at 08:11 PM

Maybe she needs to fast for a couple days and let her ulcer heal some. Maybe GAPS protocol would be good for her too.

A64ed062eb5e2c3407122fcf16c5de6b

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on September 16, 2011
at 09:48 PM

I wonder what fasting does to stomach acid levels, and what stomach acid levels do to ulcers and/or H.Pylori…

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

(1186)

on September 16, 2011
at 09:58 PM

Even bone broth and stewed meat is proving hard for her stomach to handle at this point.

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F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on September 16, 2011
at 07:46 PM

stomach acid keeps h. pylori from wreaking havoc in the gut. Read Jonathan Wright MD's book Why Stomach Acid is Good for You. A wound in the stomach is probably like a wound on the skin. It hurts as tissues heal. It will take time. Take care.

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

(1186)

on September 16, 2011
at 10:00 PM

Me and HCl are like this (crossing fingers) but ulcers and HCl are not great friends, right? Question is, how with paleo can we avoid making the ulcer situation temporarily worse, as seems to be happening?

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on September 16, 2011
at 07:41 PM

Detoxing always means a few bad feeling days. She probably needs to gradually increase probiotics.

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

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on September 16, 2011
at 07:54 PM

Been three weeks now and steadily getting worse...

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on September 16, 2011
at 07:34 PM

Have her try Active Manuka Honey.

http://www.activemanukahoneyusa.com/

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

(1186)

on September 16, 2011
at 10:03 PM

(she is, meanwhile, still eating manuka honey in spite of the allergy since we're not sure if it matters, being from a different plant).

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on September 16, 2011
at 07:46 PM

I would not try this on an inflamed ulcer, or really ever.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on September 16, 2011
at 08:30 PM

A peptic ulcer is not the same as an open skin wound, it's an erosion of the lining and slathering something acidic all over it would be the worst thing one could do. Anything sugary or spicy would be bad.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on September 17, 2011
at 12:56 AM

maybe all that manuka honey i ate deteriorated my intestines, causing me leaky gut, allowing toxins to enter my bloodstream. of course all this raises my cortisol due to stress, causing poor thyroid function and a surge of LDL production to transport the new toxins, thereby suppressing my HDL and forcing my liver to churn out triglycerides.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on September 16, 2011
at 11:38 PM

Manuka honey's "active" factor that they are so damn secretive about is none other than methylglyoxal, which is bad shit. Don't put it in your body. If you're in the New Zealand outback and get MRSA on your skin maybe manuka honey has a use. For everyone else, stick with bacitricin.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on September 16, 2011
at 08:06 PM

allergic to honey? wow. never heard of that one. I suppose it makes sense though, since many people are allergic to bee pollen and that is the source of honey. sorry to hear that it wasn't helping :(

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on September 16, 2011
at 08:52 PM

ok so did you guys look at the link? i've never had a peptic ulcer, so I can't give any personal experience but they talk about that in that link. that's what it's all about. people are having great results with it. that's just one source. i've done additional research well beyond that site and found it to be nearly unanimous. ya'll are commenting as if I put forward some kind of ludicrous notion by recommending active manuka honey for an ulcer.

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

(1186)

on September 16, 2011
at 10:02 PM

I've heard many people report success with manuka honey. My impression was that it worked mainly because it helps control the H. pylori infection long enough to let the ulcer heal. However not all ulcers are from H. pylori-- her blood test is negative and she has a long history of painkiller use which is the likely cause of the ulcer.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on September 16, 2011
at 07:50 PM

Jay - people put this directly on open flesh burn wounds. People try all kinds of crazy drugs for ulcers. What's wrong with trying natural honey?

3f11b5fda91063846bba45daac3541bd

(1186)

on September 16, 2011
at 07:53 PM

Has been trying it but getting worse, also just showed allergic to honey by skin prick test.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on September 16, 2011
at 08:07 PM

allergic to honey? wow. never heard of that one. I suppose it makes sense though, since many people are allergic to bee pollen, which is essentially the source of honey. sorry to hear that it wasn't helping :(

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on September 17, 2011
at 12:39 AM

http://stephen-a-christensen.suite101.com/is-manuka-honey-safe-a78850

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