Seems to be getting quite common at the moment.
Do you avoid eat the skin on a baked potato due to the glycoalkanoids (if you like eating the skin)?
Do you worry about goiterogens in your broccoli and sprouts affecting your thyroid?
Or that oxalates in spinach will give you kidney stones? (For people without kidney stones and not at particular risk of them).
Would you be nervous about eating a kiwi fruit due to the 3 grams of fructose it contains?
I'm sure there are others I could think of more examples.
If you do worry about these on what grounds do you do so? Do you have evidence or personal experience that they are harmful at a normal food intake (not eating several pounds of brussel sprouts a day or living on potato skins).
Personaly I know that enough caffeine and alcohol are lethal in high enough doses yet I still drink coffee and wine.
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on January 15, 2011
at 09:20 PM
I probably don't worry enough, honestly. I've improved everything so much since I was obese that all these details seem like nitpicking to me. Maybe I'll start to worry at some point, but I already eat healthier than everyone else I come in contact with, except on the internet.
I also love my coffee and wine.
on January 16, 2011
at 03:05 AM
I avoid the toxins I know to have either immediate effects on me, or be potentially life threatening.
I think the biggest difference, and why I approach my health much more aggressively, is that I want to live FOREVER.
If a minor inconvenience, that doesnt impede my ability to enjoy life(peeling potatoes is stress free, can actually be fun) and at the same time is more likely to keep me healthy, then YES, I will absolutely take those steps.
I limit and restrict myself to the extent I can maximize my health without causing stress that will negate the benefits that im working towards.
will I avoid a Kiwi for 3g of fructose? nope, but I will avoid it for the sugar crash.(one kiwi wont crash me, but several will) I will eat fructose, but I actively try to keep the #s low.
What does stress me, are the people who want desperately to not do these things and try to justify why its ok. Dont try to sugar coat it, if you will enjoy your life better by eating 30 damn bananas a day, go for it!
I dont feel better on 30 bananas, I know they arent good for me and it doesnt stress me that I shouldnt eat them.
I cook my broccoli and minimize the goitrogens ,and otherwise dont stress.
I have cherries, raspberries and especially strawberries, one of my absolute favorite foods, and I dont stress. Limiting myself would be detrimental. But neither do I go crazy with them. Just like alcohol. I have a glass of cabernet most nights, but its all moderation. When I eat strawberries, Its a handful, not a bushel.
I think often people confuse people being concerned with their overall health with those obsessing over every micronutrient.
I think the goal here, is knowledge. If you know whats bad for you, you are more likely to avoid it. When you dont avoid it, youre less likely to overdo it. As you state with Caffeine and Alcohol, you know excess is bad and therefore dont consume in excess.
Perhaps what you're seeing more often, is people more aware of the little things that COULD happen with the foods, making sure people are aware so that those individuals can make EDUCATED choices.
I feel without education about the toxins and other potential issues, this would be a useless site. We would be better served to simply say, eat whole foods, avoid wheat soy and veggie oils, avoid excessive fructose or processed foods and thats it. bye. good luck.
Luckily, we are humans with large brains. We can talk and debate, we can learn and we can use that knowledge as best suits each of us.
I think we need to talk more about the KNOWN science, and then Self Test. I cant stress enough how N=1 testing has improved my diet, my life, everything. Elimination Testing has allowed me to see how different things affect ME. some of those things affect MOST people the same, others, not. We are all human, but we are not all the same.
Do Elimination Testing. Try things N=1. If they work for you, go with it. If they dont, stop. But if things are shown to cause internal issues that arent easily noticeable, get a doctors help to see whats going on. You can't tell me that your liver is great. You cant tell me how resistant your insulin is. But science can tell us the things most likely to help and hurt those for most people. we can experiment from there... and when we dont see the results we want either way, we can seek medical testing.
Yes, I fear the toxins, but they do not rule my life, they just provide nice neat guided path for me to steer through.
on January 15, 2011
at 09:35 PM
I don't worry about it if it's something that I enjoy. To me, the small but perceptible stress that comes from longing for a slightly sub-optimal food, whether it's a tangerine or a pan of roasted brussels sprouts, far outweighs the "toxic" qualities that food might have. If one of these things were to make me feel even a quarter as wretched as bread or sugar or soybeans, then I'd gladly part with it. But they don't.
This lifestyle is about what makes us feel good and happy and healthy and vibrant. After a certain point, the nitpicky asceticism diminishes that, at least for me. Happiness is paleo.
on January 16, 2011
at 01:56 AM
I have a big time toxic phobia. At times it is even obsessive. I don't consider it healthy at all, and neither do the people around me hahah.
on January 16, 2011
at 12:39 AM
In the first place, I think some, if not many, of these assumptions that something is bad because of such and such, are really not all that well tested. There is a danger on basing one's whole eating strategy on theory alone when the theories are not tested and many of which will later turn out to be wrong. We may find out that some or many lectins are harmless to humans due to human adaptation. And some things are probably totally fine if not taking to excess. For instance, even water will kill you if drink too much, but that doesn't mean all water is dangerous. On the flip side, just because you have no obvious huge symptoms does not mean something is totally safe. So I try to take a path down the middle, but if something is a whole food with no strong evidence against it other than a vague theory, and it is also tasty, I will still eat it in moderation. However, I will give stronger weight against something that has theory against it but ALSO has a lot of documented cases of people having problems with it and perhaps even some of the better science against it.