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Will my increasing number of cherry angiomas fade if I continue a bromine detox?

Commented on March 30, 2014
Created March 30, 2014 at 11:37 AM

I have little red dots on my face, chest and arms. They are called cherry angiomas or Campbell de Morgan spots (I think of them as Rebecca de Mornay spots).

I have had a dozen or so for the past 15 years which never changed in size. At my last checkup, my doctor said that no one knows what causes them, but that they're nothing to worry about. That immediately made me worry. Online, the consensus seems to be that they're caused by bromine toxicity. That wouldn't surprise me: life in central London is highly toxic.

So, I tried the suggested supplemental iodine (225mcg, as recommended as an initial dose by the Jaminets). This lead to even more red spots over the past three months and a small alopecia areata patch. Chris Kresser said that iodine should be avoided by people with autoimmune disorders and, with my history of alopecia areata, I should probably have listened to him. I have stopped taking the iodine.

My question

If the red spots are the bromine being pushed out of my system, then will they fade over time? Or do I have to get the dots removed by a dermatologist?

About me

Male, 35. No health problems, apart from one alopecia areata patch and the red dots.

I 'supplement' with fermented cod liver oil, high-vitamin butter oil, homemade milk kefir and potato starch (resistant starch). I occasionally take 5,000 IUs of vitamin D if I haven't seen any sun (which is pretty often in Britain!) and 1,000mg of vitamin C.

I have practised intermittent fasting for several years. At first, I did 16/8 but over the past month I have moved towards 20/4, which works better for me. I lightly break the fast around midday with bone broth and some sauerkraut - both homemade.

For meals, we eat grass-fed meats, wild fish and organic plants and fruits (no grains or legumes). I occasionally eat some organic full-fat A2-protein yogurt. Twice a week I have a big carb load (about 300g) after my weights and sprint sessions and eat white rice made with homemade bone broth and turmeric, in addition to meats/fish and veggies.

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on March 30, 2014
at 08:37 PM

Everything I've seen points to more spots as you age, particularly if you already have some.

3151fbbd2846551fd27b33f6cba5e546

on March 30, 2014
at 06:30 PM

Thanks for the advice, raydawg. And, regarding ringworm, no, I don't have a red outline on my bald spot.

3151fbbd2846551fd27b33f6cba5e546

on March 30, 2014
at 06:29 PM

Thanks, Matt11. So my only solution is a cosmetic one? They don't bother me that much, really. I was just concerned at the increase.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on March 30, 2014
at 12:15 PM

It's not a bromine "detox". They are permanent because they are an overgrowth of capillaries near the surface of the skin. There's a very vague idea out there that bromides (I hate medical doctors misusing chemical terms, or at best being overly ambiguous) may cause them, but there's no evidence aside from a case study or two. There's little known about them except they don't appear to be problematic.

3151fbbd2846551fd27b33f6cba5e546

on March 30, 2014
at 06:29 PM

Thanks, Matt11. So my only solution is a cosmetic one? They don't bother me that much, really. I was just concerned at the increase.

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on March 30, 2014
at 12:13 PM

Yes, if you're detoxing them through your skin, it means your liver's overwhelmed in detoxing, and can't do the job, and increasing iodine will cause more of the same until the bromide is out. I don't know whether they'd go away or not, but certainly it's better to let the iodine push them out than to keep the bromides. So you'd also want to ensure you get plenty of B vitamin and sulfur rich foods as well as good fats, to support the detox I and II pathways.

I don't know if they go away with time, or if you'd need to treat them.

AA may well be an autoimmune disease, in which case a strict paleo diet is the right thing, so rock on.

There's another thing that causes red bumps and hairloss, and that's ringworm - I know it's unlikely, but does your bald spot have a red outline? If not, it's not and don't worry about it.

3151fbbd2846551fd27b33f6cba5e546

on March 30, 2014
at 06:30 PM

Thanks for the advice, raydawg. And, regarding ringworm, no, I don't have a red outline on my bald spot.

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