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can dairy/sugar free coconut ice cream or tomatoes cause insulin spike or weight loss stall?

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Created August 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Hi all - I started eating paleo on august 7th and lost about 14 pounds quickly - now it's stalling BIG time and I've actually put ON two pounds. I thought it was because when I got a sugar craving I had half a banana a day, so I stopped that, but I see today I am up a pound.

To satisfy my sweet tooth, I've been having so delicious coconut dairy free, sugar free ice cream, which I LOVE. it says it has 18g of carbs but my nutritionist says my body wont absorb them bc the carbs come from erythrytol (i dont know if this is true).

I avoid nuts, now will avoid all fruits but berries - do you think that could be the thing causing the weight stall? Or maybe...tomatoes?

Usually in the mornings i have eggs with chives, bacon and butter (the only dairy I have), lunch is a salad with chicken, tomatoes, spinach, olive oil and vinegar, dinner=hormone free chicken with a salad.

Also I am constipated. I'm going to start taking magnesium. I have PCOS, so yes put on weight VERY easily. I was so excited in the beginning, the numbers kept on going down, but I've been stuck between 186 and 188 for a week!! I need the scale to go to about 140 ASAP! Frustrating. Fix me please! Thank you!

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

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on August 28, 2011
at 08:17 PM

wow that's cool! ok am on it. thx

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 28, 2011
at 08:16 PM

thanks all for great advice.

F074daf8ee19a4c101c533b7fdab708a

(284)

on August 25, 2011
at 08:22 PM

No need to calculate it yourself! Really check out fit day! It will give you your percentages one you input your food for the day and it also helps with goals and shows RDA of vit and minerals (although I don't know how much stock I put in those). It is a really great place to start, so you can think about where to tweak your diet so it works for you!

F074daf8ee19a4c101c533b7fdab708a

(284)

on August 25, 2011
at 08:17 PM

My suggestion would be to abstain from any sweet treats for a week or two. I know for myself that if I eliminate it for a bit, the cravings go away. One thing you could try is frozen berries and a bit of almond or nut butter.. a bit less sugar and suitable sweet once you get used to it! Good luck. :)

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 08:08 PM

I was not aware of any of these, good to know! Thank you.

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

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on August 25, 2011
at 08:07 PM

Thank you! I don't know how calculate that stuff. I really dont think I am eating that much fat at all. And probably far more protein than 15%. IS that forever, or just until I reach my goal weight and then I should switch the percentages? I am dedicated, will do this forever. Clearly I dont know what I am doing though! Fat=butter, oils, nut butters?

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

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on August 25, 2011
at 08:05 PM

I just got my cortisol levels tested- completely normal. Still, telling someone to relax is never bad advice!

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

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on August 25, 2011
at 08:04 PM

Here is the nutrition info: http://www.sodeliciousdairyfree.com/products/product.php?p=so_delicious_nsa_butter_pecan# (if you click on ingredients & nutrition, you'll see) - each flavor has a little variation, but those nutrition facts are generally applicable to all flavors. I am going to try avoiding it to see how my body responds. i have also been having bison but you are right, i should add more variation - salmon and grass fed beef sound great! i get in habits (aka ruts ;)...thanks for the great suggestions!

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on August 25, 2011
at 06:51 PM

Your urgency tells me that you may be dealing with high cortisol levels(stress) which will just slow down your fat loss. I know it isn't easy when someone tells you to relax, but really it will make all the difference in the world!

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on August 25, 2011
at 05:49 PM

Also, you may want to add other protein sources such as fatty fish and grassed beef into the mix. It looks like you're relying too heavily on chicken.

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on August 25, 2011
at 05:47 PM

So delicious coconut ice cream will definitely mess with your blood sugar...if I am thinking of the same product, it's agave sweetened, with some cane sugar...even if it is sweetened with sugar alcohol, I would avoid it...sugar alcohols cause all kinds of unpleasant symptoms in my body, including cravings for more sweets.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on August 25, 2011
at 04:56 PM

Oh and most women's weight can fluctuate up to 5 lbs just from water weight. Carbs will make a lot of women retain water. The scale is not going to give you accurate information on your body composition.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on August 25, 2011
at 04:54 PM

When I first started, I allowed myself 20 gms of 70% or darker chocolate per day. Anything else is too sweet and just makes it harder to listen to my true hunger signals.

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 04:44 PM

also..i am having trouble with patience bc i was always so overweight and unhappy (never knew i had PCOS/insulin problem) - have tried so many things and nothing worked - so I am afraid, now that i am seeing this stall, that paleo too will not work! Really afraid of that. I am also doing it for energy, etc, but I want to make sure I do everything perfect to encourage weight loss. Telling you so you can understand my sense of urgency. I am afraid of getting false hope again (been hurt before!)

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 04:42 PM

THanks for those wonderful comments. I am eating enough, but not overeating. I eat every two hours. lately in the morning I've just wanted one egg instead of three, but w butter and veggies it seems enough :) i will be more conscious of this. do you think it's better to have 3 eggs in the morning - better to eat more? exercise - walking 30-40 minutes every day. will start running again in about 2 weeks. treats - i think i'm going to try to cut them out all together for a while, good idea.

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

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on August 25, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Thanks Priscilla, I will do that. And yes, I too dislike it when people call Paleo a diet, like it's a temporary weight loss fix. I intend to do this for life!! But need to kick start that weight loss. Thanks so much :)

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on August 25, 2011
at 04:27 PM

@ KC Stay away from the sugar free ice cream for a while, and keep nuts/nut butters to a minimum. Snack on some organic berries or super dark chocolate if you're craving something sweet. Don't obsess about the weight loss, it will come as you continue down this path.

78972387772c994caa78513a83978437

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on August 25, 2011
at 04:24 PM

+1 for mentioning that Paleo/LC is not a diet but more of a lifestyle

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

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on August 25, 2011
at 03:56 PM

And dragonfly, do you happen to know any sweet treats (I DO get occasional cravings) that won't muss up my diet? I thought banana with almond butter would be okay, but I guess not!! I tried microwaving baker's chocolate with butter and stevia, but I dont know if this is bad too...

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 03:54 PM

I am def. looking at it as a lifestyle change and am already taking those supplements (except for Magnesium, which I intend to start taking). But I think it's important to watch the weight to see if the scale is going in the right direction - it has started going UP! Without the scale, I wouldnt have known that either bananas or cocnut ice cream is making me gain weight - and I would have continued to eat them and continued to gain weight without realising it, losing weeks. I want to be healthy again-that means weight coming down ASAP.But thanks for advice anyway!!

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on August 25, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Why the anonymous downvote?

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

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on August 25, 2011
at 03:50 PM

not eating much at all, so that's not it. but good idea.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on August 25, 2011
at 03:48 PM

I think this is a bit premature, given the OP's newness to Paleo eating.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on August 25, 2011
at 03:46 PM

Welcome! Bottom-line is that your initial weight loss was mostly water weight and you won't lose at that rate anymore.

Relax & look at this as a lifestyle change, not a diet! I've been Primal (lacto-Paleo) for 9 months and am just now realizing the full benefits.

Your metabolism & hormones are out of balance (PCOS) & will take some time to heal. It took me about 4-6 months of eating 100% lacto-Paleo to start seeing my digestive system heal & the nutrients I was eating to be absorbed.

Put your scale away for a month or forever and focus on healing your gut and reducing inflammation. The weight will come off!

Make sure your Vitamin D is sufficient. Get tested!
Take Cal & Magnesium (forms ending in -ate) in approx 1:1 ratio. Take an Omega 3 supplement (I recommend 1000 mg Neptune Krill oil)
Reduce stress. Get good sleep. Eat more grass-fed ruminants than poultry (better Omega 3:6 ratio)

And yes, drop the So Delicious for now just so you can reduce carb cravings (sweet tasting things don't help!)

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Thanks Priscilla, I will do that. And yes, I too dislike it when people call Paleo a diet, like it's a temporary weight loss fix. I intend to do this for life!! But need to kick start that weight loss. Thanks so much :)

78972387772c994caa78513a83978437

(2290)

on August 25, 2011
at 04:24 PM

+1 for mentioning that Paleo/LC is not a diet but more of a lifestyle

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on August 25, 2011
at 04:54 PM

When I first started, I allowed myself 20 gms of 70% or darker chocolate per day. Anything else is too sweet and just makes it harder to listen to my true hunger signals.

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 03:56 PM

And dragonfly, do you happen to know any sweet treats (I DO get occasional cravings) that won't muss up my diet? I thought banana with almond butter would be okay, but I guess not!! I tried microwaving baker's chocolate with butter and stevia, but I dont know if this is bad too...

F074daf8ee19a4c101c533b7fdab708a

(284)

on August 25, 2011
at 08:17 PM

My suggestion would be to abstain from any sweet treats for a week or two. I know for myself that if I eliminate it for a bit, the cravings go away. One thing you could try is frozen berries and a bit of almond or nut butter.. a bit less sugar and suitable sweet once you get used to it! Good luck. :)

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on August 25, 2011
at 04:56 PM

Oh and most women's weight can fluctuate up to 5 lbs just from water weight. Carbs will make a lot of women retain water. The scale is not going to give you accurate information on your body composition.

78972387772c994caa78513a83978437

(2290)

on August 25, 2011
at 04:27 PM

@ KC Stay away from the sugar free ice cream for a while, and keep nuts/nut butters to a minimum. Snack on some organic berries or super dark chocolate if you're craving something sweet. Don't obsess about the weight loss, it will come as you continue down this path.

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 03:54 PM

I am def. looking at it as a lifestyle change and am already taking those supplements (except for Magnesium, which I intend to start taking). But I think it's important to watch the weight to see if the scale is going in the right direction - it has started going UP! Without the scale, I wouldnt have known that either bananas or cocnut ice cream is making me gain weight - and I would have continued to eat them and continued to gain weight without realising it, losing weeks. I want to be healthy again-that means weight coming down ASAP.But thanks for advice anyway!!

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 28, 2011
at 08:16 PM

thanks all for great advice.

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on August 25, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Have to echo what Dragonfly wrote -- +1 on the ditch-the-scale advice.

KC -- congrats on taking the first positive steps. I'm glad you've already seen some success. From your comments, the main thing I think you need at this point is patience. Stop focusing exclusively on weight loss and work on accepting that the Paleo approach is a process and a lifestyle.

Two things raise concerns to me. First -- you say you aren't eating much at all. That could be part of the problem -- you very well may not be eating enough, causing your body to shift into "starvation mode," where it will try to hold onto everything because you aren't providing it with enough nutrition.

Second, I'm not getting a sense of your activity levels from your posts. What are you doing for exercise? Focus on your overall health and fitness levels. Right now, it sounds like you're limiting your efforts to your diet -- it's a great first step, but it's only a part of the whole picture.

As for treats -- what you're doing sounds ok (I share your fondness for bananas and almond butter -- yum!), provided you don't make the treats too regular thing, particularly if you are trying to drop weight. And there's a lot of truth to the notion of cutting them out altogether for awhile, to just re-program yourself to not expect them, which will reduce the cravings.

Get active, if you haven't already, and make sure you eat enough to support productive activity, as opposed to weight gain.

Good luck!

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on August 25, 2011
at 06:51 PM

Your urgency tells me that you may be dealing with high cortisol levels(stress) which will just slow down your fat loss. I know it isn't easy when someone tells you to relax, but really it will make all the difference in the world!

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 04:42 PM

THanks for those wonderful comments. I am eating enough, but not overeating. I eat every two hours. lately in the morning I've just wanted one egg instead of three, but w butter and veggies it seems enough :) i will be more conscious of this. do you think it's better to have 3 eggs in the morning - better to eat more? exercise - walking 30-40 minutes every day. will start running again in about 2 weeks. treats - i think i'm going to try to cut them out all together for a while, good idea.

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 04:44 PM

also..i am having trouble with patience bc i was always so overweight and unhappy (never knew i had PCOS/insulin problem) - have tried so many things and nothing worked - so I am afraid, now that i am seeing this stall, that paleo too will not work! Really afraid of that. I am also doing it for energy, etc, but I want to make sure I do everything perfect to encourage weight loss. Telling you so you can understand my sense of urgency. I am afraid of getting false hope again (been hurt before!)

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 08:05 PM

I just got my cortisol levels tested- completely normal. Still, telling someone to relax is never bad advice!

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345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on August 25, 2011
at 05:04 PM

I tend to think that if you need to keep a close eye on things and you need the weight loss you need to do the following:

1) use www.fitday.com to track your caloric intake and gauge your %'s [yes, every single thing and weight things until you can gauge it yourself...you'd be surprized whats really going on here]

2) your %'s should be approx. 60%fat, 25% carbs, 15% protein. You might have to tweak this, but it takes time, do it in 2 wk increments to really see what you need to do.

3) keep your carbs less than 50g day. Whats your calorie intake per day? what kind of exercise are you getting? how long, what type?

4) this is not a miracle plan, it takes time and dedication, if you keep on top of it, you will definitely see drastic changes happening at month 2-3. Potentially even longer if you have opposing issues happening. Stressing will also fight against you so relax and enjoy the ride, it goes by quickly and you'll be much happier if you don't work against yourself by stressing.

5) I'm sure if you read the label on the dairy free, sugar free ice cream there would be other 'processed' elements in there. Why not try making your own coconut ice cream?

6) switch out your bananas for berries, they can really be sweet and satisfy your cravings. A slice or two of tomato shouldn't impede your progress. But do switch things up. Your cravings could be part of the 'carb flu' that happens when you change your diet. It can take up to 2 months to feel better.

hope you find what works for you!! don't worry, you have support here!

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 08:07 PM

Thank you! I don't know how calculate that stuff. I really dont think I am eating that much fat at all. And probably far more protein than 15%. IS that forever, or just until I reach my goal weight and then I should switch the percentages? I am dedicated, will do this forever. Clearly I dont know what I am doing though! Fat=butter, oils, nut butters?

F074daf8ee19a4c101c533b7fdab708a

(284)

on August 25, 2011
at 08:22 PM

No need to calculate it yourself! Really check out fit day! It will give you your percentages one you input your food for the day and it also helps with goals and shows RDA of vit and minerals (although I don't know how much stock I put in those). It is a really great place to start, so you can think about where to tweak your diet so it works for you!

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 28, 2011
at 08:17 PM

wow that's cool! ok am on it. thx

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on August 25, 2011
at 03:32 PM

More than likely, you're just eating too much period. Like Robb Wolf says, at some point, calories DO matter.

I'd take stock of how much you're eating overall first.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on August 25, 2011
at 03:48 PM

I think this is a bit premature, given the OP's newness to Paleo eating.

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 03:50 PM

not eating much at all, so that's not it. but good idea.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on August 25, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Why the anonymous downvote?

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on August 25, 2011
at 07:52 PM

You need to have combination days of load days and regular calorie intake days. If you keep it too steady your metabolism may tend to just stay flat. Spiking it with extra calories some days will not only help you not feel deprived but it will allow your body to not hold on to extra fat and let itself know that it is ok to shed the fat because more will be coming.

Switching to berries is a much better option on the fruit front. Bananas are just way too much sugar, not to mention constipating.

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 25, 2011
at 08:08 PM

I was not aware of any of these, good to know! Thank you.

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on August 25, 2011
at 03:35 PM

Limiting causes frustration which highers cortisol.Yesterday and today i have cheated, a big time-lots of sugar, chocolate until the point it makes me disgusted.And when i walk, excercise i feel the fat burns faster, muscle tone is more visible...eeem what i wanted to say is maybe a treat once in a while to full satisfaction is necessary. Its just my own little experience, not a good idea probably

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