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Been paleo for two and a half months, suddenly have no energy

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 11, 2012 at 1:08 AM

So I've been 100% (literally, no cheats whatsoever) paleo for two solid months and have lost about ~20 pounds, and for the first two months my energy levels were GREAT, I felt great and slept great and for the first time in a long time I was able to go out and get things done. It really was great. But in the last few weeks, my energy levels have really taken a turn for the worse. I thought to myself "well, I guess I'm just not eating enough fat", so I started to eat more fat. More butter, more avocado, more olive oil, fatty cuts of meat. But there hasn't been any change at all. To top it all off I have an incredibly hard time sleeping these days, to the point where I toss and turn for at least an hour after going to bed and I wake up an hour early every morning, even though I'm exhausted. To top it all off, the weight loss has pretty much come to a halt, even though I've still clearly got some weight to lose (my BMI is still in the overweight zone). I also feel physically weak and I've been having weird, intense cravings (whether or not I'm actually hungry) every now and then.

I don't really train at all, aside from a sprint session every now and then and a strength training session on occasion. But it usually comes out to 1-2 times a week max.

Granted, I feel like the logical thing would be "eat more", but I've tried stuffing myself silly and that didn't do much except, well, make me more full. The fatigue remains. I'm kind of at a loss of what to do here, and I'd really like to feel the way I did during the first two months.

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on July 17, 2012
at 05:30 PM

Thing is, if you have low stomach acid, there's literally a cascade and rainfall of problems that follows after.

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on July 11, 2012
at 10:14 AM

It happened to me as well. You probably need more carbs.

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on July 11, 2012
at 08:57 AM

That should say "worked a treat and", not "tree hand"!

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on July 11, 2012
at 08:56 AM

I had this too - I found that upping carbs worked a tree hand no, weight didn't go up - it actually started dropping again. I eat either potatoes or white rice most days - usually pots, as they are so nutrient dense. And the energy levels are fine on that regime.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 11, 2012
at 03:47 AM

I guess JERF only gets one so far. And there's fiber too, I think that a lot of fiber makes a difference. Big caveat if you can't ferment it without an overgrowth of the bad guys then don't do that, srsly. Good for metabolic health, my non-grain source is peas ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16856319 two big cups of peas. And some jicama and other vegetables. Insoluble grain fiber on the other hand tends to cause vitamin d deficiency.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 11, 2012
at 03:46 AM

I guess JERF only gets one so far. And there's fiber too, I think that a lot of fiber makes the difference. Big caveat if you can't ferment it without an overgrowth of the bad guys. Good for metabolic health, my non-grain source is peas http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16856319 two big cups of peas. And some jicama and other vegetables. Insoluble grain fiber on the other hand tends to cause vitamin d deficiency.

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on July 11, 2012
at 03:19 AM

Thanks again, Stabby. I've been having low energy too, so I'll try the fitday analysis.

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on July 11, 2012
at 02:30 AM

Strongly agree w/ the suggestion to use a nutrient calculator...measure all your food intake for a few days to a week. I had all kinds of problems after going low carb, and they were all related to nutrient deficiencies.

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on July 11, 2012
at 02:28 AM

if you are going on the low-carb side definately incorporate alot more safe carb sources (potatoes/sweet potatoes, carrots/parsnips etc, even white rice)

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 11, 2012
at 02:22 AM

Also calcium and potassium in spinach. Whole milk has calcium. B vitamins are found in pastured or omega-3 eggs, liver, leafy vegetables. But yeah, nutrition calculator.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 11, 2012
at 02:14 AM

I like spinach, steamed. Kale is good. Magnesium supplements are actually one of the good supplements if you can tolerate it. Most of the other nutrients can in fact be supplied by (pastured) eggs, meat, the organs, etc. I'd use a nutrient calculator like fitday, cron o meter or whichever one.

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on July 11, 2012
at 02:05 AM

faffing about aside, how do I get MORE of those micronutrients? I already eat a lot of veggies.

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on July 11, 2012
at 02:03 AM

I've been bouncing around the idea of a carb refeed recently. Probably going to try it this weekend. On the salt note - I eat a LOT of salt. I put it on everything, because it's tasty.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:51 AM

Colpo suggests and it could increased muscle catabolism http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=3680 But now we're into irrelevant discussions, I just wanted to make a point about micronutrients.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:50 AM

is in fact better than yours because mine is a metabolic ward trial where the dietician fed them their food and kept perfect track whereas in the one you refer to they took food home so they could have cheated and lied about it. And I'm sympathetic to the notion that a diet that reduces leptin resistance (low carb or others) could allow people to burn off an excess of calories so it may have been burning off an excess that they acquired from cheating on their diets. But that is different than losing weight which isn't influenced by percentage of carbohydrate. Or it could be as Anthony...

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:48 AM

Well I wasn't really making a point about resting energy expenditure but all around vitality and low micronutrient intake which tends to happen during poorly planned low carbohydrate diets. I am perturbed by the faith in organ meats providing all of the necessary nutrition for a diet, which one provides magnesium, an important co-factor in the synthesis of ATP? I wasn't knocking ketosis or low carb here but if you want to play that game, other people's equally (in)valid anecdotes say the opposite, and if you want to play "my study is better than yours" on energy expenditure, my study...

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:37 AM

Low-carb will fulfill all your nutrient requirements if you eat organ meat. And the 2nd study you posted, there was an even more recent study posted on Paleohacks that said the exact opposite - that there IS a metabolic advantage to ketosis. I'll go with common sense + personal experience. I have MUCH more energy while in ketosis than I EVER had while eating high or even moderate carbohydrate intake. I don't believe for a second that his tired feelings are due to ketosis.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:37 AM

I'm casting my vote for deficiencies but low stomach acid is plausible too. If it has been months that makes something like a candida die off less plausible because it would have happened earlier.

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:24 AM

I have...no idea if I have acid reflux disease. I'm only 19, so I don't think so, but I've never checked nor am I really even familiar with the symptoms of it.

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:22 AM

Just out of curiosity Cole, do you have Acid Reflux Disease (actually been tested) and do you take vitamin suppliments? The reason I ask is that some Gurd meds can inhibit your intake of vitamins and you may want to talk to your doc about making sure you have a good balance of vitamins. You may consider talking to the doc about blood work to see where everything is. This is just my advice, Im sure others will have more suggestions.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:31 AM

Since your increase in food intake is coming primarily from fat I'm going to assume that you're low carb. And since you are low carb (probably) I'm going to assume that you have massive nutritional deficiencies. It's not necessarily the case that people become deficient in many nutrients when they go low carb but over-relying on added fat and meat is pretty much a ticket to nutritional deficiency for anyone who isn't doing meticulous planning or doing a lot of supplements.

Micronutrients like vitamins and minerals are necessary for the chemical reactions that keeps the metabolism going and we might need more than the RDA for some of them http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20142823

This study is a good illustration of the problem. http://www.ajcn.org/content/83/5/1055.abstract

Basically they put people on a moderate or low carb diet with normal foods that could be expected to be consumed on them. The low carb diet was far less nutritious, and wouldn't ya know, after a few weeks the low carb group started to feel tired and were less vital than the higher carb group.

So I would suggest that you focus on micronutrients and getting enough of all of them so that you don't run into any deficiencies. Some supplements are good to take, some aren't. That's another discussion. But you have to make sure that you get enough nutrition.

366c23d69eadce094a2b22299c58a424

(2988)

on July 11, 2012
at 02:30 AM

Strongly agree w/ the suggestion to use a nutrient calculator...measure all your food intake for a few days to a week. I had all kinds of problems after going low carb, and they were all related to nutrient deficiencies.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on July 11, 2012
at 01:37 AM

Low-carb will fulfill all your nutrient requirements if you eat organ meat. And the 2nd study you posted, there was an even more recent study posted on Paleohacks that said the exact opposite - that there IS a metabolic advantage to ketosis. I'll go with common sense + personal experience. I have MUCH more energy while in ketosis than I EVER had while eating high or even moderate carbohydrate intake. I don't believe for a second that his tired feelings are due to ketosis.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 11, 2012
at 01:48 AM

Well I wasn't really making a point about resting energy expenditure but all around vitality and low micronutrient intake which tends to happen during poorly planned low carbohydrate diets. I am perturbed by the faith in organ meats providing all of the necessary nutrition for a diet, which one provides magnesium, an important co-factor in the synthesis of ATP? I wasn't knocking ketosis or low carb here but if you want to play that game, other people's equally (in)valid anecdotes say the opposite, and if you want to play "my study is better than yours" on energy expenditure, my study...

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 11, 2012
at 02:14 AM

I like spinach, steamed. Kale is good. Magnesium supplements are actually one of the good supplements if you can tolerate it. Most of the other nutrients can in fact be supplied by (pastured) eggs, meat, the organs, etc. I'd use a nutrient calculator like fitday, cron o meter or whichever one.

322ad7b575a555863e85b9c1acfe60a8

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on July 11, 2012
at 02:05 AM

faffing about aside, how do I get MORE of those micronutrients? I already eat a lot of veggies.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 11, 2012
at 03:46 AM

I guess JERF only gets one so far. And there's fiber too, I think that a lot of fiber makes the difference. Big caveat if you can't ferment it without an overgrowth of the bad guys. Good for metabolic health, my non-grain source is peas http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16856319 two big cups of peas. And some jicama and other vegetables. Insoluble grain fiber on the other hand tends to cause vitamin d deficiency.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 11, 2012
at 01:51 AM

Colpo suggests and it could increased muscle catabolism http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=3680 But now we're into irrelevant discussions, I just wanted to make a point about micronutrients.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on July 11, 2012
at 03:19 AM

Thanks again, Stabby. I've been having low energy too, so I'll try the fitday analysis.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 11, 2012
at 01:50 AM

is in fact better than yours because mine is a metabolic ward trial where the dietician fed them their food and kept perfect track whereas in the one you refer to they took food home so they could have cheated and lied about it. And I'm sympathetic to the notion that a diet that reduces leptin resistance (low carb or others) could allow people to burn off an excess of calories so it may have been burning off an excess that they acquired from cheating on their diets. But that is different than losing weight which isn't influenced by percentage of carbohydrate. Or it could be as Anthony...

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 11, 2012
at 02:22 AM

Also calcium and potassium in spinach. Whole milk has calcium. B vitamins are found in pastured or omega-3 eggs, liver, leafy vegetables. But yeah, nutrition calculator.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 11, 2012
at 03:47 AM

I guess JERF only gets one so far. And there's fiber too, I think that a lot of fiber makes a difference. Big caveat if you can't ferment it without an overgrowth of the bad guys then don't do that, srsly. Good for metabolic health, my non-grain source is peas ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16856319 two big cups of peas. And some jicama and other vegetables. Insoluble grain fiber on the other hand tends to cause vitamin d deficiency.

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:51 AM

Cole, you 'upped the fat' because your not eating carbs. And you stopped losing weight because you upped your calories. And you feel like crap because your leptin level as well as other hormones are out of balance. And possibly, possibly, you might have a sodium imbalance if you are not salting your foods. Try this, get some salt, pour it in some water and drink that thing, it should be VERY VERY salty. Give it a half hr and see how you feel. This can not hurt you, but I give it 50% odds at making you feel MUCH better.

Now, regarding weight loss, a person can lose PLENTY of weight eating 2 McDONALDS cheeseburgers a day and drinking diet soda. Why? Because they are eating little calories. That is all that is needed to induce fat loss - a calorie deficit.

If the salt alone doesnt kick you into high gear, your going to have to eat some carbs. And you should anyway. Read about leptin and do a carb refeed. Spend a whole day eating carbs with little to no fat. White Rice, Potatoes, whatever does it for you. Heck, I don't care if you spend the day drinking dextrose water.

Im certain you will feel better.

After that, begin eating at a calorie deficit in order to restart fat loss.

Enjoy

22fd82abf435768244f8d074430cd1e6

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on July 11, 2012
at 10:14 AM

It happened to me as well. You probably need more carbs.

322ad7b575a555863e85b9c1acfe60a8

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on July 11, 2012
at 02:03 AM

I've been bouncing around the idea of a carb refeed recently. Probably going to try it this weekend. On the salt note - I eat a LOT of salt. I put it on everything, because it's tasty.

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:36 AM

I know that feeling. I added sweet potatoes (daily) and white rice (only after a workout) to my diet and my energy is back...you may just need more carbs. Especially on days where your sprinting.

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on July 11, 2012
at 04:39 AM

Eat sweet potatoes and ripe fried plantains, they have a low glycemic index and are packed with good carbs, fibre, vitamins and minerals, this should pick you up!

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on July 11, 2012
at 03:08 AM

Try adding 1 drop of "Lugol's 2% iodine solution" into a glass of water daily and drink up. Has many benefits. View this slideshow: http://www.slideshare.net/MedicineAndHealth14/iodine

Here's the Amazon link (you only need 1 drop daily in a glass of water): http://www.amazon.com/J-CROWS%C2%AE-Lugols-Solution-Iodine-2%25/dp/B001AEFM9Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341975910&sr=8-1&keywords=lugol

I also recommend 2 krill oil pills daily (much better absorbed source of omega-3 than fish oil pills) info. here: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/inflammation/why-krill-oil/

These are best: http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Way-Krill-500mg-Softgels/dp/B000BY6B3K/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1341975944&sr=8-10&keywords=krill+oil

Lastly, I take a half shot of this daily and chase it with water (far better absorbed than tablet multivitamins): http://www.amazon.com/Century-Systems-Miracle-Nutrition-liquid/dp/B00013Z1V4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341975989&sr=8-1&keywords=miracle+2000

Hope this helps!

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on July 11, 2012
at 02:54 AM

It's called fruit. You should try it.

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on July 11, 2012
at 02:42 AM

I would suggest upping your workouts, preferably HIIT, as well as your vegetable intake, broccoli, leafy greens, etc. And try doing a few more safe carbs on your workout days. I would not suggest a high carb day, because you will just send your blood glucose high, but add some sweet potato or rice a few times per week.

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:50 AM

Cole, you are 19 -- Bouts of tiredness is part of maturation. This could all be nothing other than a short growth spurt.

Also, I would suggest that you up the working out. Your body is designed to be in motion. At your age you cannot get away with a couple of workouts per week. Your testosterone is almost at it's peak. Anaerobic twice a week with a sprint session is a good start. Walking/ Hiking/ Biking at least two more days a week is a minimum for you.

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:34 AM

Detox/die off (yes they're real and anyone who doesn't believe in detox symptoms has never experienced them) most likely.

Or you might have low stomach acid and various nutrient deficiencies.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:37 AM

I'm casting my vote for deficiencies but low stomach acid is plausible too. If it has been months that makes something like a candida die off less plausible because it would have happened earlier.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on July 17, 2012
at 05:30 PM

Thing is, if you have low stomach acid, there's literally a cascade and rainfall of problems that follows after.

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