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Questions about my hair loss.

Commented on March 02, 2015
Created March 20, 2011 at 6:04 PM

So, I'm sure this topic has been asked a bunch of times, but I need some specific advice about my case. I hope that's ok.

I'm 23 now, but since i started college (19) I noticed when I tug on my hair I can pull out up to like 10 strands. I literally can't pull my hair without getting at least two. My hair also just falls out everywhere: the floor, the shower, a test in class. This may not seem like a big deal, but 4 years later, my hair is much thinner than it was. My forehead can't be covered by my bangs now.

Also, my body hair can be pulled out VERY easily. When I started college, I went vegetarian, then vegan. This may or not have something to do with it. I also sometimes wait way too long to eat, even though I have mild hypoglycemia which makes me lightheaded if I don't eat.

Basically, do any of you see anything out of wack that would affect my head hair and body hair?

A few years ago I was moderately low in vitamin D and iron. My current tests came back as:


  • Vitamin D: 47 (normal 30-100 ng/ML)
  • Ferritin: 46 (normal 20-345 ng/Ml)
  • Iron Total: 108 (normal 45-175 mcg/dL)
  • B12: 439 (normal 200-1100 pg/mL

Thyroid...

  • T3 Uptake: 36 H (normal 22-35%)
  • T4(THYROXINE),TOTAL: 10.9 (4.5-12.5 mcg/Dl)
  • Free T4 Index (T7): 3.9H (normal 1.4-3.8)

So, I appreciate the help. No doctors have given any real advice. Also, baldness doesn't run in my family and it's weird that my body hair does the same thing. So, I don't think its MPB.

Edit: I realized I was gluten and soy sensitive or intolerant about a year ago and have stopped eating them. I have been about 90% paleo for about 2-3 weeks now and feel pretty great.

9b0a4701e373d4dd13831cfb9b13f42d

(1677)

on October 06, 2011
at 03:41 PM

No Im good, I dont suffer from hairloss anymore. Perhaps it would interest the OP though.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:59 PM

IL 6 determines hair loss......leptin Resistance is the basis of this. LR also screws up PRL release at midnight and this in turn screws GH release.....All chronic LR cases lead to IR then end up with adrenal resistance and high cortisol levels......high cortisol is tied to high aldosterone and low vitamin D levels......all these correlate with hair loss but none are the definite cause. LR is the definite cause because it controls every single hormone I just mentioned in this answer.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:55 PM

Low carb does not cause hair loss......there has never been a study linking these two. Moreover he is giving anecdotal news......because of how it links to hypothyroidism. The funny thing is that T2D and PCOS patients have large carb diets and lose way more hair.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:19 PM

I have written a blog dedicated to this very thread.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:18 PM

You might want to read my blog in a few days........Cause I am using this thread as its beacon.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 05, 2011
at 01:00 PM

Plus one.......

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 05, 2011
at 12:59 PM

This months mens health has an article about this issue. I just read it

A8ddd54bd5284341622e9a1211b07dcc

(95)

on July 26, 2011
at 04:23 PM

So... has your hair stopped falling out? Are you re-growing any?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 29, 2011
at 12:42 PM

I actually agree with this....I have several men who trashed their hypothalamus for their hair loss. In this thread I think the hair loss was hypothyroidism undiagnosed. But if you use propecia or avodart it's buyer beware in my view. Moreover, the hair guys don't diagnose the complication and therefore miss it.

9dd74d3941535d0aaa2c8d3cf454fb7e

on March 29, 2011
at 12:38 AM

... to continue, the isoenzyme 5 alpha reductase type 2 is important for synthesis of allopregnanolone from progesterone. By permanently suppressing the isoenzyme's synthesis in many men's livers and prostates, various mental and physical side effects occur - Traish' and Irwig's articles are barely scratching the surface.

9dd74d3941535d0aaa2c8d3cf454fb7e

on March 29, 2011
at 12:34 AM

Doc K, I posted this link (below) in another thread regarding Propecia's permanent side effects, Traish's article is good but Irwig's is more extensive. I believe these permanent side effects are widely underdiagnosed (because of the bounce effect): http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MensHealth/baldness-drug-sexual-effects/story?id=13152993&page=3 And just FYI, the systemic effects of the drug are not focused on the H-P although the majority affected do have things like secondary hypogonadism, adrenal issues etc. Traish's and Irwig's recent articles are only scratching the surface . . .

D05e94d3fa7fbf32eb56445ad932f654

(773)

on March 26, 2011
at 11:11 AM

26m. I am in the same situation, but paleo hasn't helped me (yet, I hope). I am interested in your quest to find a solution.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 21, 2011
at 01:07 AM

right now you maybe right.....in a few years....i dont think so. I think Hair gain maybe the first thing we see our of this research

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 21, 2011
at 01:04 AM

Ben you are correct....it is steep.

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

(3761)

on March 21, 2011
at 12:00 AM

I've heard good things about TA 65, except the price!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 08:55 PM

I think the length has put some folks off but I think this info will solve your problem.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 08:05 PM

I don't think I would ever go on those drugs anyway, let alone any drugs.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 08:00 PM

By the way....the article I mentioned about the permanent side effects of Propecia and Avodart was from Boston University done by a Dr Traich I think. March 2011 Issue of the Journal of Sexual Medicine

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:52 PM

OK, well thanks for all the help. I *REALLY* appreciate. And, I'm sorry if I strayed from the rules here, but I really needed information. Thanks.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:50 PM

Show him this damn thread......if he does not get it then he is brain dead. I think I spelled it out perfectly and in detail. Now I think I have carpal tunnel syndrome from all this typing. I think you may need to pay for that treatment Orange!!! LOL

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:33 PM

Will do :) Maybe I love beef for a biological reason. I don't like breaking website rules, but I just don't know what hormone test I should get, and what thyroid tests to get :(

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:28 PM

orange,no need to email me. I am a neurosurgeon. I shave off the hair!!! I just got interested in it because of one of my patients. And if I can get rid of my grey someway I am game as long as it is paleo. Iron, in addition to iodine, selenium and zinc, are essential for normal thyroid hormone metabolism. More goodn news....you eat paleo you'll get all the freaking Iron you need from the meat. You have a lot of animals to eat since you lost your mind and went to the dark side as a young man. Go eat a big freaking hunk of Buffalo now. Doctors Orders! Sorry Patrik Good Luck........

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:24 PM

Thyroid peroxidaxe brings about the chemical reactions of adding iodine to tyrosine (amino acid), which then produces T4 and T3. Insufficient iron levels, which low ferritin reveals, alters and reduces the conversion of T4 to T3, besides binding T3. Additionally, low iron levels can increase circulating concentrations of TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone).

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:23 PM

Is there any way I could email you?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:21 PM

Excessively low Ferritin can also make it difficult to continue raising your desiccated thyroid, resulting in hyper symptoms when raising desiccated thyroid. In turn, having low iron levels decreases deiodinase activity, i.e. it slows down the conversion of T4 to T3. Biologically, insufficient iron levels may be affecting the first two of three steps of thyroid hormone synthesis by reducing the activity of the enzyme “thyroid peroxidase”, which is dependent on iron.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:19 PM

What are the symptoms of low ferritin? Why is having low Ferritin a problem and what are symptoms? First, though the slide into low Ferritin can be symptomless, it eventually becomes the precursor to being anemic. And once the latter occurs, you can then have symptoms which mimic hypothyroid–depression, achiness, easy fatigue, weakness, faster heartrate, palpitations, loss of sex drive, hair loss and/or foggy thinking, etc, causing a patient to think they are not on enough desiccated thyroid, or that desiccated thyroid is not working.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Are private messages allowed here? hehe.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:16 PM

My temperature was 97 something, the last time I checked.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:15 PM

orange I would love to but I am already dangerous close to pissing off Patrik because this could be conscrewed as practicing paleo medicine.........lol. I am telling you bring your laptop to the office and ask for the last appt of the day......and make him read this. He will get pissed.......but he will see what I am saying is TRUTH. And he will help you. docs really do love being docs.........we just cant do it much anymore with Obama and lawyers.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:12 PM

Why do you get low ferritin is what you should ask the doc.....the answer...... Because being hypothyroid can result in a lowered production of hydrochloric acid which in turn leads to the malabsorption of iron. It can also lower your body temperature (common for those on T4-only thyroxine, as well) which causes you to make less red blood cells.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:11 PM

Don't worry, he's just a shitty university doctor. If you could, please let me know all the tests I need and what I need to tell a doctor. That would be GREATLY appreciated.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:10 PM

You're helping a LOT. So, if my hair biopsy came back as alopecia areata, is there almost no chance that it's wrong? If i do have areata, what hormones do I need checked. I seriously don't know what to do on my own hah.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:09 PM

A large body of thyroid patients have been surprised to discover that being hypothyroid also results in having low Ferritin, or storage iron. Ferritin is an iron-storage protein which keeps the iron in a dissolvable and usable state, making the iron non-toxic to cells around it. So when Ferritin is measured via a blood test, it is basically measuring the iron you have tucked away for safe use.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:09 PM

your ferritin is way low........sound like your doc has his head up his ass. Sorry. I had too. But you could be the change he needs.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:07 PM

So maybe I did help a bit? See ......action may feel useless at times but the more you do you eventually find something of benefit. Sitting on the couch all day gets you nothing but a fat ass and shortened life span.......

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:06 PM

if you got alopecia areata you need strict paleo....no grains or dairy. you also need your hormones checked ASAP. This could be good news.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:05 PM

and the vegan thing.....that likely fried your hypothalamic pituitary axis.....sorry to drop that knowledge on ya. But keep trucking......youre on the right path now. They can do some amazing things in transplant surgery....no more plugs. I saw a patient who had the latest technology done by Bauman and I have to say it was most impressive. Could not tell a thing three days later. Guy has had an amazing outcome.....hence why I called him......but he is very very CW type.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:03 PM

Oh, yes! I forgot to add that I got a biopsy done at a derm. And it came back that I had Alopecia Areata. What are the chances that this dx was wrong? Or is it almost certain that I have it?

5f0158c23fcb5636e57b4ce097784da0

(1386)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:03 PM

+1 against the mainstream notion that "DHT" is the villain, and finasteride is good and harmless. also, a recent study showed 50-100mg tocotrienol complex to be surprisingly effective - which i can confirm. much less hair loss after a few weeks on 50mg. i now upped to 100mg. supplementing with a full-spectrum E complex has many other benefits as well. other than that, nettle root and/or saw palmetto is worth a try, without the nasty, and potentially irreversible side effects of finasteride.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Its paelo.....competition ya know. darwin etc..........

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:01 PM

Just ask.....if he balks you got the wrong guy. If you like him buy him some books and give them to him and tell him you need him to help you and you know the answer is out there. Show him this post......I bet after he gets pissed he'll get interested. Docs hate when other docs know shit they dont.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:00 PM

the hair doc I spoke to seemed oblivious to the fact.....so yes I do thing avoid all grains could be helpful......Alopecia areata is know to be tightly aligned with celiac sprue.......Sorry I could not help you more but that is the state of hair as I know it based upon my reading of the science. I am interested to see if I can get rid of my own grey hair but TA 65 aint cheap while a box of Revlon is about 5 bucks. Then again how paleo is Revlon huh?

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 06:59 PM

I asked for a complete thyroid panel, and that's what I got. Do you know how I can ask for a proper one? Also, if my doctor is satisfied with my D and ferritin, how can I ask him for supplementation recomendations?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 06:57 PM

First off you thyroid panel is woefully incomplete. You cant tell shit from it. You need a total panel done. And your D is way too low for my palate.....but that is something you must discuss with your doc after you do you own research. My bias is to be 70-100 min. I am at 94 myself now. As for thing to support hair growth.....Zinc and selenium are biggies as is DHEA......but it has to be done looking at your testosteron free and total and DHT and E 2 levels......and DHEA and pregnenolone levels.......all important. We also know that glutens and gliadens are real toxic for hair but the

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 06:51 PM

This is definitely something I will consider. Did you notice anything with my lab results? Am I slightly hypothyroid or hyperthyroid? I've also heard my ferritin is too low for hair growth.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 06:44 PM

Sorry it was so long...but I just talked to him this week and I have been reading a ton of data on this the last four nights.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 06:44 PM

I appreciate the response. Does the fact that body hair seems to fall out at the same rate mean anything?

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3
2c2349bc7af0fedb59a5fe99dac9fae2

(2707)

on October 05, 2011
at 02:26 PM

Listen to Chris Kresser's podcast - episode 12 where he suggests that going too low carb could cause hair loss (or in your case perhaps exacerbate the loss).

http://chriskresser.com/the-healthy-skeptic-podcast-episode-12

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:59 PM

IL 6 determines hair loss......leptin Resistance is the basis of this. LR also screws up PRL release at midnight and this in turn screws GH release.....All chronic LR cases lead to IR then end up with adrenal resistance and high cortisol levels......high cortisol is tied to high aldosterone and low vitamin D levels......all these correlate with hair loss but none are the definite cause. LR is the definite cause because it controls every single hormone I just mentioned in this answer.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:55 PM

Low carb does not cause hair loss......there has never been a study linking these two. Moreover he is giving anecdotal news......because of how it links to hypothyroidism. The funny thing is that T2D and PCOS patients have large carb diets and lose way more hair.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 06:44 PM

Ok.....you're in luck. I have been reading a ton about hair for some reason? I have plenty. But I just spoke with a Doctor Bauman who is board certified in hair transplant medicine in Boca Raton. And the issues are multiple. But he is focusing in on DHT and blocking the classic and alternative pathways using Propecia and in tougher cases they use Avodart to block both pathways. I have seen a ton of men who have blown out their hypothalamic pituitary axis with these meds.....hence the reason I got interested. I would suggest you talk to a dermatologist who is a hair specialist. There are only 100 board certified in the US. Bauman will consult with you on the phone. There are others but the party line seems the same.....its all about blocking the 5 alpha reductase pathway to stop making DHT and estradiol in men and women. Not smart if you understand hormones like I do.

My reading is now focusing in on teleromase shortening of the hair follicles and early cell death.......and lack of replacement stemcells in the hair follicle......and its the MSH stem cells particularly of the hair follicle. It appears teleromase inhibitors can make hair grow and turn grey hair back to what it was in youth! The effect on Mice is off the chain. Bald Mice becoem shaggadelic pretty fast. But mice have long telomeres to begin with......we dont.

I have on older man (80) who is taking TA 65 and he has peach fuzz all over his head now and his hair is no longer grey. He went completely bald at 55. He is the one that got me thinking about a lot of stuff. Not sure this answer is helping you.....but the standard answers of hair docs is all about DHT modulation. After speaking to Bauman.....I am not a buyer of his science. Its not up to date.

I think guys who go bald early is because they are genetically limited in their MSH cells in the hair follicle and they undergo senescense earlier because their mitochondria have a faulty telomerase......or their is a signalling issue with it. It appears DHT brings the effect on quicker because DHT stimulates hair follicles to divide quicker so if you got genetically faulty mitochondria....and DHT makes them divide quicker.......well you exhaust your Hayflick number faster and you go bald as a young man. I think the whole blocking the 5 alpha reductase pathways partially with Propecia or totally with Avodart is playing Russian roulette with your pituitary and your sexual performance and ability to get a stiffy. There was just an article in one of the sex journals that completely under cut Bauman assertion that he has never seen anyones' pituitary gets french fried for a long time and never recover. Well there is a ton of them out there......I know cause I see them. Me, Id rather have my Johnson working and be bald. We know that when you screw with reproductive ability the body senses this and tries to take you out........its a signal for apoptosis. Cell death via suicide and cancer rates go up because of mTor and activation of NF kappa beta......my advice is stay bald and get a transplant........based on all I know currently based upon the latest science. But I have a feeling this story is going to evolve with telomerase drugs now hitting the mainstream anti aging scene.

87caa7dee85b8318a76dacf8abb81ee0

on March 02, 2015
at 07:14 PM

You say "...their mitochondria have a faulty telomerase...". Mitochondrial DNA is circular, just like the DNA of the prokaryotes it probably evolved from, and neither has nor needs telomeres nor telomerase to extend them. Also a faulty telomerase causes cri du chat syndrome, which is detectable from infancy.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:06 PM

if you got alopecia areata you need strict paleo....no grains or dairy. you also need your hormones checked ASAP. This could be good news.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 08:05 PM

I don't think I would ever go on those drugs anyway, let alone any drugs.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 08:55 PM

I think the length has put some folks off but I think this info will solve your problem.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 06:51 PM

This is definitely something I will consider. Did you notice anything with my lab results? Am I slightly hypothyroid or hyperthyroid? I've also heard my ferritin is too low for hair growth.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Its paelo.....competition ya know. darwin etc..........

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:16 PM

My temperature was 97 something, the last time I checked.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:12 PM

Why do you get low ferritin is what you should ask the doc.....the answer...... Because being hypothyroid can result in a lowered production of hydrochloric acid which in turn leads to the malabsorption of iron. It can also lower your body temperature (common for those on T4-only thyroxine, as well) which causes you to make less red blood cells.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:52 PM

OK, well thanks for all the help. I *REALLY* appreciate. And, I'm sorry if I strayed from the rules here, but I really needed information. Thanks.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:07 PM

So maybe I did help a bit? See ......action may feel useless at times but the more you do you eventually find something of benefit. Sitting on the couch all day gets you nothing but a fat ass and shortened life span.......

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:09 PM

your ferritin is way low........sound like your doc has his head up his ass. Sorry. I had too. But you could be the change he needs.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:28 PM

orange,no need to email me. I am a neurosurgeon. I shave off the hair!!! I just got interested in it because of one of my patients. And if I can get rid of my grey someway I am game as long as it is paleo. Iron, in addition to iodine, selenium and zinc, are essential for normal thyroid hormone metabolism. More goodn news....you eat paleo you'll get all the freaking Iron you need from the meat. You have a lot of animals to eat since you lost your mind and went to the dark side as a young man. Go eat a big freaking hunk of Buffalo now. Doctors Orders! Sorry Patrik Good Luck........

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:05 PM

and the vegan thing.....that likely fried your hypothalamic pituitary axis.....sorry to drop that knowledge on ya. But keep trucking......youre on the right path now. They can do some amazing things in transplant surgery....no more plugs. I saw a patient who had the latest technology done by Bauman and I have to say it was most impressive. Could not tell a thing three days later. Guy has had an amazing outcome.....hence why I called him......but he is very very CW type.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 08:00 PM

By the way....the article I mentioned about the permanent side effects of Propecia and Avodart was from Boston University done by a Dr Traich I think. March 2011 Issue of the Journal of Sexual Medicine

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 06:59 PM

I asked for a complete thyroid panel, and that's what I got. Do you know how I can ask for a proper one? Also, if my doctor is satisfied with my D and ferritin, how can I ask him for supplementation recomendations?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 06:57 PM

First off you thyroid panel is woefully incomplete. You cant tell shit from it. You need a total panel done. And your D is way too low for my palate.....but that is something you must discuss with your doc after you do you own research. My bias is to be 70-100 min. I am at 94 myself now. As for thing to support hair growth.....Zinc and selenium are biggies as is DHEA......but it has to be done looking at your testosteron free and total and DHT and E 2 levels......and DHEA and pregnenolone levels.......all important. We also know that glutens and gliadens are real toxic for hair but the

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:00 PM

the hair doc I spoke to seemed oblivious to the fact.....so yes I do thing avoid all grains could be helpful......Alopecia areata is know to be tightly aligned with celiac sprue.......Sorry I could not help you more but that is the state of hair as I know it based upon my reading of the science. I am interested to see if I can get rid of my own grey hair but TA 65 aint cheap while a box of Revlon is about 5 bucks. Then again how paleo is Revlon huh?

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:33 PM

Will do :) Maybe I love beef for a biological reason. I don't like breaking website rules, but I just don't know what hormone test I should get, and what thyroid tests to get :(

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:11 PM

Don't worry, he's just a shitty university doctor. If you could, please let me know all the tests I need and what I need to tell a doctor. That would be GREATLY appreciated.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:15 PM

orange I would love to but I am already dangerous close to pissing off Patrik because this could be conscrewed as practicing paleo medicine.........lol. I am telling you bring your laptop to the office and ask for the last appt of the day......and make him read this. He will get pissed.......but he will see what I am saying is TRUTH. And he will help you. docs really do love being docs.........we just cant do it much anymore with Obama and lawyers.

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(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:03 PM

Oh, yes! I forgot to add that I got a biopsy done at a derm. And it came back that I had Alopecia Areata. What are the chances that this dx was wrong? Or is it almost certain that I have it?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:21 PM

Excessively low Ferritin can also make it difficult to continue raising your desiccated thyroid, resulting in hyper symptoms when raising desiccated thyroid. In turn, having low iron levels decreases deiodinase activity, i.e. it slows down the conversion of T4 to T3. Biologically, insufficient iron levels may be affecting the first two of three steps of thyroid hormone synthesis by reducing the activity of the enzyme “thyroid peroxidase”, which is dependent on iron.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:10 PM

You're helping a LOT. So, if my hair biopsy came back as alopecia areata, is there almost no chance that it's wrong? If i do have areata, what hormones do I need checked. I seriously don't know what to do on my own hah.

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(1386)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:03 PM

+1 against the mainstream notion that "DHT" is the villain, and finasteride is good and harmless. also, a recent study showed 50-100mg tocotrienol complex to be surprisingly effective - which i can confirm. much less hair loss after a few weeks on 50mg. i now upped to 100mg. supplementing with a full-spectrum E complex has many other benefits as well. other than that, nettle root and/or saw palmetto is worth a try, without the nasty, and potentially irreversible side effects of finasteride.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:24 PM

Thyroid peroxidaxe brings about the chemical reactions of adding iodine to tyrosine (amino acid), which then produces T4 and T3. Insufficient iron levels, which low ferritin reveals, alters and reduces the conversion of T4 to T3, besides binding T3. Additionally, low iron levels can increase circulating concentrations of TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone).

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 06:44 PM

Sorry it was so long...but I just talked to him this week and I have been reading a ton of data on this the last four nights.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:23 PM

Is there any way I could email you?

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Are private messages allowed here? hehe.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:01 PM

Just ask.....if he balks you got the wrong guy. If you like him buy him some books and give them to him and tell him you need him to help you and you know the answer is out there. Show him this post......I bet after he gets pissed he'll get interested. Docs hate when other docs know shit they dont.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:19 PM

What are the symptoms of low ferritin? Why is having low Ferritin a problem and what are symptoms? First, though the slide into low Ferritin can be symptomless, it eventually becomes the precursor to being anemic. And once the latter occurs, you can then have symptoms which mimic hypothyroid–depression, achiness, easy fatigue, weakness, faster heartrate, palpitations, loss of sex drive, hair loss and/or foggy thinking, etc, causing a patient to think they are not on enough desiccated thyroid, or that desiccated thyroid is not working.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:09 PM

A large body of thyroid patients have been surprised to discover that being hypothyroid also results in having low Ferritin, or storage iron. Ferritin is an iron-storage protein which keeps the iron in a dissolvable and usable state, making the iron non-toxic to cells around it. So when Ferritin is measured via a blood test, it is basically measuring the iron you have tucked away for safe use.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 20, 2011
at 07:50 PM

Show him this damn thread......if he does not get it then he is brain dead. I think I spelled it out perfectly and in detail. Now I think I have carpal tunnel syndrome from all this typing. I think you may need to pay for that treatment Orange!!! LOL

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 21, 2011
at 01:04 AM

Ben you are correct....it is steep.

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(3761)

on March 21, 2011
at 12:00 AM

I've heard good things about TA 65, except the price!

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on March 29, 2011
at 12:38 AM

... to continue, the isoenzyme 5 alpha reductase type 2 is important for synthesis of allopregnanolone from progesterone. By permanently suppressing the isoenzyme's synthesis in many men's livers and prostates, various mental and physical side effects occur - Traish' and Irwig's articles are barely scratching the surface.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 29, 2011
at 12:42 PM

I actually agree with this....I have several men who trashed their hypothalamus for their hair loss. In this thread I think the hair loss was hypothyroidism undiagnosed. But if you use propecia or avodart it's buyer beware in my view. Moreover, the hair guys don't diagnose the complication and therefore miss it.

9dd74d3941535d0aaa2c8d3cf454fb7e

on March 29, 2011
at 12:34 AM

Doc K, I posted this link (below) in another thread regarding Propecia's permanent side effects, Traish's article is good but Irwig's is more extensive. I believe these permanent side effects are widely underdiagnosed (because of the bounce effect): http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MensHealth/baldness-drug-sexual-effects/story?id=13152993&page=3 And just FYI, the systemic effects of the drug are not focused on the H-P although the majority affected do have things like secondary hypogonadism, adrenal issues etc. Traish's and Irwig's recent articles are only scratching the surface . . .

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 05, 2011
at 12:59 PM

This months mens health has an article about this issue. I just read it

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on October 05, 2011
at 11:39 AM

One thing to try is to replace your shampoo with polysorbate-80. Wet your scalp, rub in a few drops into your scalp for about 3 minutes or so, then rinse it out. It pulls out the DHT.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 05, 2011
at 01:00 PM

Plus one.......

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on March 20, 2011
at 09:07 PM

Hair loss in general is likely unavoidable, but I'm of the opinion that the acceleration of the process is due to a micronutrient deficiency. The simplest way to address it is to eat a half-pound of ruminant liver per week. You could try to figure out which specific nutrient is lacking, or you could just hit them all with liver consumption. For the uninitiated, it smells and tastes horrible, but there's simply nothing as nutritious. Don't go overboard though, as the copper and vitamin A may be excessive if consumed in higher doses.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 21, 2011
at 01:07 AM

right now you maybe right.....in a few years....i dont think so. I think Hair gain maybe the first thing we see our of this research

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(18696)

on March 20, 2011
at 08:09 PM

If you suspect the question has been asked, it probably has. Here's a thread about diet and hair loss, for example: http://paleohacks.com/questions/5164/hair-loss-and-diet

It may be simpler than telomeres and genetics. If you've been vegetarian and vegan for years, you probably are just in a state of poor nutrition. Give the Paleo diet some time, and see if it improves.

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(5002)

on October 05, 2011
at 05:13 PM

Danny Roddy has done a lot of research on this from a paleo perspective. His blog has over 34 posts tagged as hair loss related.

http://www.dannyroddy.com/

I haven't read it, but if Roddy rolls with Chris Kresser, then he's probably worth listening to.

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on March 20, 2011
at 06:40 PM

hairloss is caused mainly by the 5-alpha reductase enzyme the breaks testosterone into it's evil twin Dihydrotestosterone (DHT). excessive DHT causes hair loss and increases the rate at which male pattern baldness will occur. this is just an endocrinological view of it.

Also from the reading I've done, I would say your vitamin D level is low (even though they claim its normal). All of the research i've done states optimal levels are between 50-100ng. I aim for 75ish. I feel like supplementing with silica would do your hair some justice, as well as using a biotin shampoo and possibly supplementing with 5mgs of biotin. as for the silica, due to it being expensive, your best bet is buying "horsetail". silica is extracted from it and it's cost effective. also look into irwin naturals hair skin and nail vitamins. they're quite a good formula and irwin naturals is as legit a company as you'll find.

Good luck and hope i helped a little.

05a1cb4b0c28558c2be2b7ac81b9467a

(106)

on March 20, 2011
at 06:44 PM

I appreciate the response. Does the fact that body hair seems to fall out at the same rate mean anything?

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(1677)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:07 PM

Propecia worked wonders for preserving my hair when I started to lose it. I have had ABSOLUTELY zero issue with getting maintaining or using an errection. I have even taken time off, taken more than the recomended dosage and have been "on" for about the last eleven years.

I have heard of these people that show up crying (seriously) to the prescribing doc because of 1mg a day of a DHT inhibitor. I personally have never met anybody like this but like any drug approved for consumption it can screw with some people.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:18 PM

You might want to read my blog in a few days........Cause I am using this thread as its beacon.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 05, 2011
at 06:19 PM

I have written a blog dedicated to this very thread.

9b0a4701e373d4dd13831cfb9b13f42d

(1677)

on October 06, 2011
at 03:41 PM

No Im good, I dont suffer from hairloss anymore. Perhaps it would interest the OP though.

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on May 27, 2011
at 11:54 AM

This message is for the quilt. (and I apologize for the highjack but am as clueless as most of the other folks with regards to remedying hair loss) I am thinking you live in the FL area being you spoke with Baunam personally. I am set for an appointment with Dr Baunam soon (female hair loss) but don't want to waist my money if he is not up to date with his science. Do you have recommendations for a doctor more knowledgeable in premature hair loss as as well as a holistic physician? Thanks

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