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For those with Thyroid problems..how did you know?

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Created March 20, 2011 at 9:51 PM

For those with Thyroid problems (Hypo/hyper/Hash etc) ..how did you know? What symptoms did you have? Has Paleo helped? If so, in what way?

***so I went to an endocrinologist yesterday. Of course he cd not tell anything until after blood work comes back. I went to him because of fatigue and some weight gain. He thinks I DONT have a thyroid problem. But he said something to the effect of (which makes me a bit worried about him) that I wd have to eat UNDER 1400 calories to maintain /not gain weight. How in the world would that help my fatigue?

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on September 22, 2012
at 03:13 PM

Thyroid meds should be taken on an empty stomach, at least an hour before eating, as there are many foods that may interfere with its absorption. Taking it first thing in the morning is best.

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on September 22, 2012
at 12:29 PM

Also, endocrinologists are probably the least likely people to diagnose sub-clinical hypo. Try to find a doctor who specializes in chronic fatigue, and ask them to get your Free T3 and Free T4 levels checked (tsh is not really that helpful). Free T4 should be mid-range, and free T3 should be high-mid range. If not, then you should think about supplementing with natural thyroid (I wouldn't recommend Armour, though. Get the generic identical made by Acella. I'm told that Erfa is also good, if you can find it).

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on September 22, 2012
at 12:23 PM

Just a note about the caffeine issue: 1) coffee interferes with the absorption of natural thyroid (Armour, etc...) so you shouldn't consume them together as you will be getting less of the thyroid replacement than you think you are 2) Coffee is a possible cross-reactor of gluten. So, if you have gluten problems you may also have coffee problems. 3) If having any caffeine (not coffee) is causing you problems, then I would highly suspect adrenal problems. If you have been hypo for a long time, that will frequently mess with your adrenals as your body tries to find ways to compensate for low T3.

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on September 22, 2012
at 12:17 PM

+1 for a very important detail, which I wasn't aware of, and I am hypo. Much thanks!

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on September 22, 2012
at 11:49 AM

If there is a possibility that you are low thyroid DON'T GO LOW CARB! I'm shouting because it's serious. You can really screw yourself over.

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on March 22, 2011
at 08:46 PM

alot of MDs wouldn't know a hurting thyroid if one jumped up and bit them in the ass.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 22, 2011
at 08:42 PM

Goofy advice based on a poor understanding of metabolism. Get your hormonal landscape in order and the weight should fall off. The best way to do that is low to very low carbohydrate intake and HIIT exercising. Make sure you get plenty of sleep and get your vitamin and hormone levels tested. Get your actual thyroid hormone levels and let us take a look at them.

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on March 22, 2011
at 07:32 PM

Interesting Flavio. I have been consuming lot's of dairy fat recently, and my symptoms seemed to have magnified. Have you tried Robb Wolf's autoimmune protocol? It seems a bit restrictive so I am afraid to play around with it.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 21, 2011
at 12:37 AM

I was just saying a medicine isn't a one size fits all. Not for your sake but for the people who read and think "OMG I'm on synthroid. Synthroid isn't as good as armour. I should switch." They're different. The choice between prescriptions depends which way your thyroid deficiency leans - towards TH4 try Synthroid or toward TH3 let's try Armour. If things aren't going great on one medicine, switching to another may be advantageous. And yes, you're right I shouldn't have said ratio in reference to an Synthroid. Bad choice of words.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 21, 2011
at 12:33 AM

I was just saying a medicine isn't a one size fits all. Not for your sake but for the people who read and think "OMG I'm on synthroid. Synthroid isn't as good as armour. I should switch." They're different. And yes, you're right I shouldn't have said ratio is reference to an Synthroid. It depends which way your thyroid deficiency leans. I'm sorry that you apparently took that personally.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 21, 2011
at 12:26 AM

It also could be 'an adrenal thing' Flavio.

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on March 21, 2011
at 12:10 AM

Andrew, what makes you think that Synthroid has ANY T3? IT is a VERY well known FACT that Synthroid only contains T4 (and that it contains NO T3). This is precisely why it is so ineffective for so many people. Many people do not easily convert naturally occurring or synthetic T4 to T3 - and this is why so many people do very well or armour thyroid. You can rest assured that my very competent ND really does know what he is doing and knows how prescribe medications. BTW, it is nonsense to talk about a T4/T3 ratio for a substance with no T3 (Synthroid) the "ratio" is infinite.

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on March 20, 2011
at 11:50 PM

I'm also playing around with Vitamin A/D and probiotics...

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on March 20, 2011
at 11:46 PM

Same here! I notice that when i consume a lot of dairy and/or caffeine, i notice the symptoms more, so I'm guessing it's an autoimmune thing.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 20, 2011
at 11:39 PM

I am currently trying to follow the supplementation guidelines provided by Paul Jaminent at PerfectHealthDiet.com, but I still haven't got a hold of a lot of the recommended supplements because I am strapped for cash. I am not sure how I react to caffeine because I avoid it completely. I also heard high amounts of coconut oil help stimulate the thyroid, but it never helped me much despite consuming 12 tablespoons. Right now I am trying to figure out whether my thyroid problems are autoimmune issues or some sort of iodine deficiency.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 20, 2011
at 11:20 PM

Synthroid and Armour have a different TH3/TH4 ratio. They should be used in different scenarios. They're are not interchangeable.

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on March 20, 2011
at 10:40 PM

Btw does caffeine affect you?

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on March 20, 2011
at 10:39 PM

Rob, I have the same issues... What are you doing to solve the problem? Besides eating paleo of course...

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on March 22, 2011
at 12:08 AM

I finally went to the doctor after a lot of weight gain with no success at losing it no matter what I did. I had also noticed my hair was getting thinner (I have fine/thick hair, and at the time could actually see my scalp, whereas I couldn't before), my skin was very dry and I couldn't walk up a flight of stairs without needing to sit down. I was freezing all the time, whereas before, I was heat sensitive and rarely cold, even in the middle of winter. I usually had a good memory but nearly lost my short term memory for a while. I was put on synthroid and that helped. I was also diagnosed with PCOS and pre-diabetes, so I was put on birth control and glucophage for those.

Paleo seems to be working for me. My skin doesn't dry out, my hair came back and I can exercise without wanting to die. I've managed to lose weight and gain some muscle tone. I also incorporate as much seaweed and fish as I can in my diet, which is easy to come by living in South Korea. However, since I have private insurance due to some illegal paperwork on the part of my employers, I am not covered for preexisting conditions under private insurance and therefore can't get my medication cheaply. I took the risk a few months ago and stopped taking what I had left to see if I still needed the medication, because within the last couple of months of taking synthroid, I became agitated a lot and scattered. So far, I am fine. However, this is less than a year after being diagnosed, and my TSH levels weren't that high to begin with. When I go home in a few months, I plan to visit the doctor first thing to see if I have been correct in my assessments.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 22, 2012
at 09:15 AM

So, you have hypothyroidism. While, your doctor has confirmed your sudden weight gain and depression to hypothyroidism, the next thing that must be concerning you at this time is how to treat hypothyroidism. There are two main treatment options for treating thyroid disorders and hypothyroidism, natural treatment using natural thyroid supplement and synthetic treatment involving synthetic thyroid hormone supplements.Armour thyroid is a natural thyroid hormone supplement made from the descicated pig's thyroid hormone. As hypothyroidism is disease of the thyroid gland characterized by lack of or insufficient production of thyroid hormones mainly T3 and T4 for the proper functioning of the thyroid gland and metabolism of food by the thyroid gland. Hypothyroidism treatment, whether natural or synthetic, thus mainly involves prescribing external thyroid hormones to make up for this loss.

Although, conventional hypothyroidism treatment generally involved prescribing synthetic thyroid hormone medications like synthroid or levothroid, today more and more physicians are prescribing armour thyroid to their patients for hypothyroidism treatment for various reasons. Firstly, being a natural thyroid supplement, armour side effects are very rare and mild. Secondly, as armour thyroid is extracted from the pig's thyroid gland, armour thyroid provides both thyroid hormones, T3 and T4 to make the thyroid gland function normal as it used to before the disorder.

Moreover, as T3 is the active form of thyroid hormone and many people are unable to process T3 from T4 obtained from synthroid in their bodies, treatment with synthroid does not offer complete and effective cure. It is therefore important to use a preparation containing T3. Thus, if you compare tyroid armour vs synthroid, thyroid armour is definitely a safer and more effective alternative for hypothyroidism treatment as opposed to synthroid.While, armour thyroid dosage depends on individual condition to be treated, a standard 90 mg thyroid dosage benefits most people when cut in half with a blade and taken twice daily after meals.

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on March 21, 2011
at 03:11 AM

I don't have an answer to the main question, but I wonder if you guys with thyroid issues make sure you get enough selenium? My understanding is that you can (assuming you don't have an autoimmune condition) rectify low T4 levels with iodine, but that the conversion of T4 to T3 requires a selenium-based enzyme. Someone with a low TSH could still have a low T3 if they're deficient in Se, and it's supposed to be a very common deficiency.

I eat a couple of lamb kidneys every day and a small can of smoked oysters and it ends up being a significant quantity of selenium. Were I not to eat those, I would have precious little in my diet. For iodine I eat some laminaria kelp every day.

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on September 22, 2012
at 12:17 PM

+1 for a very important detail, which I wasn't aware of, and I am hypo. Much thanks!

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on September 22, 2012
at 10:02 AM

I had bouts of rapid heartrates, anxiety and heart intolerance. Then I got my tsh, t4 and t3 checked, and found I have hyperthyroid.

As the others say, you want t4 and t3 more than tsh.

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on March 21, 2011
at 02:13 PM

I had classic hypothyroid symptoms and it took years to get diagnosed. Weight gain, cold hands and feet, lethargic, forgetful, hair loss etc. were on the list.

I now take Eltroxin, which may not be ideal, but it got me functional again. I had an allergic reaction to Synthroid so I think you need to find a supplement that works for you.

An excellent source of information is Mary Shomon at http://thyroid.about.com/ .

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D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 21, 2011
at 02:08 AM

I was just saying a medicine isn't a one size fits all. Not for your sake but for the people who read this and think "OMG I'm on synthroid. Synthroid isn't as good as armour. I should switch." They're different. The choice between prescriptions depends on which way your thyroid deficiency leans - towards TH4 try Synthroid or toward TH3 let's try Armour. If things aren't going great on one medicine, switching to another may be advantageous. And yes, you're right I shouldn't have said ratio in reference to an Synthroid. Bad choice of words.

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on March 20, 2011
at 10:33 PM

TSH on its own does not tell you much, KL. But lots of doctors think it is all they need to look at. You should get your TSH, T4, T3 and T2 measured to see a much bigger picture; you might also want to get your iodine level checked (there is a big relationship between thyroid and iodine).

Several years ago I had some symptoms that I told my doctor about. He ordered a number of blood test, including TSH. The result was that my TSH was high; so he put me on Synthroid. It worked for seven or eight years; then I got a bunch more symptoms, but my doctor said my TSH was fine.

Then I found website Synthroidhaters, which has a list of symptoms that are common with Synthroid use. Most of my symptoms were on that list – I had well over 50% of them.

Just under a year ago, I went to a Naturopathic Doctor (ND) with my symptoms highlighted on the list and he prescribed armour thyroid. After four months all the Synthroid symptoms are gone.

I have been off and on Paleo for most of the year. It seems to help my thyroid functioning. I have seen that some people can go off their hypothyroid meds after being on Paleo a several months (some ND say so, too). I would like to be able to do so. But for lots of reasons, I have not been able to be Paleo for extended times; but I will keep on trying.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 21, 2011
at 12:33 AM

I was just saying a medicine isn't a one size fits all. Not for your sake but for the people who read and think "OMG I'm on synthroid. Synthroid isn't as good as armour. I should switch." They're different. And yes, you're right I shouldn't have said ratio is reference to an Synthroid. It depends which way your thyroid deficiency leans. I'm sorry that you apparently took that personally.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on March 20, 2011
at 11:20 PM

Synthroid and Armour have a different TH3/TH4 ratio. They should be used in different scenarios. They're are not interchangeable.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on March 21, 2011
at 12:37 AM

I was just saying a medicine isn't a one size fits all. Not for your sake but for the people who read and think "OMG I'm on synthroid. Synthroid isn't as good as armour. I should switch." They're different. The choice between prescriptions depends which way your thyroid deficiency leans - towards TH4 try Synthroid or toward TH3 let's try Armour. If things aren't going great on one medicine, switching to another may be advantageous. And yes, you're right I shouldn't have said ratio in reference to an Synthroid. Bad choice of words.

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on March 21, 2011
at 12:10 AM

Andrew, what makes you think that Synthroid has ANY T3? IT is a VERY well known FACT that Synthroid only contains T4 (and that it contains NO T3). This is precisely why it is so ineffective for so many people. Many people do not easily convert naturally occurring or synthetic T4 to T3 - and this is why so many people do very well or armour thyroid. You can rest assured that my very competent ND really does know what he is doing and knows how prescribe medications. BTW, it is nonsense to talk about a T4/T3 ratio for a substance with no T3 (Synthroid) the "ratio" is infinite.

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on March 20, 2011
at 10:25 PM

i was low carb and grain free for 3 years and only lost about 20 pounds when i was about 80 pounds overweight. that aint right! hair loss on head and very little body hair, dry dry skin especially on feet, tired, brain fog/memory problems... i have nodules in my thyroid gland but my blood test results, like the poster above, always all came back "within range". after a long search i found a dr who prescribed levothyroxine and i have done great on it.

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on March 20, 2011
at 10:09 PM

I began having dizzy spells, bouts of anxiety attacks, weird heartbeats and palpitations, my hands are always cold, my skin is dry, some of my hair was falling out, major digestive issues, problems gaining weight, and an overall sense of shittyness. Went in to the doc, who checked my TSH levels and said everything was fine. I started a paleo diet and about half the symptoms disappeared, but I still had some lingering symptoms. The more I read though, the more I realized that my doc was mistaken about my results and that I was in fact Hypothyroid, my tsh was 5.17, but she said it was between range. Now I am currently attempting to solve this issue, and hopefully the remaining symptoms will slowly disappear.

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

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on March 20, 2011
at 10:40 PM

Btw does caffeine affect you?

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 20, 2011
at 11:39 PM

I am currently trying to follow the supplementation guidelines provided by Paul Jaminent at PerfectHealthDiet.com, but I still haven't got a hold of a lot of the recommended supplements because I am strapped for cash. I am not sure how I react to caffeine because I avoid it completely. I also heard high amounts of coconut oil help stimulate the thyroid, but it never helped me much despite consuming 12 tablespoons. Right now I am trying to figure out whether my thyroid problems are autoimmune issues or some sort of iodine deficiency.

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

(1164)

on March 20, 2011
at 11:50 PM

I'm also playing around with Vitamin A/D and probiotics...

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

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on March 20, 2011
at 11:46 PM

Same here! I notice that when i consume a lot of dairy and/or caffeine, i notice the symptoms more, so I'm guessing it's an autoimmune thing.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

(1146)

on March 22, 2011
at 07:32 PM

Interesting Flavio. I have been consuming lot's of dairy fat recently, and my symptoms seemed to have magnified. Have you tried Robb Wolf's autoimmune protocol? It seems a bit restrictive so I am afraid to play around with it.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on March 21, 2011
at 12:26 AM

It also could be 'an adrenal thing' Flavio.

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

(1164)

on March 20, 2011
at 10:39 PM

Rob, I have the same issues... What are you doing to solve the problem? Besides eating paleo of course...

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

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on September 22, 2012
at 12:23 PM

Just a note about the caffeine issue: 1) coffee interferes with the absorption of natural thyroid (Armour, etc...) so you shouldn't consume them together as you will be getting less of the thyroid replacement than you think you are 2) Coffee is a possible cross-reactor of gluten. So, if you have gluten problems you may also have coffee problems. 3) If having any caffeine (not coffee) is causing you problems, then I would highly suspect adrenal problems. If you have been hypo for a long time, that will frequently mess with your adrenals as your body tries to find ways to compensate for low T3.

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on September 22, 2012
at 03:13 PM

Thyroid meds should be taken on an empty stomach, at least an hour before eating, as there are many foods that may interfere with its absorption. Taking it first thing in the morning is best.

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