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Another ratio conundrum for brilliant Paleo Hackers

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

On the recommendation of you fine folks, I just made profile at Cron-o-Meter. I was thrilled to see the paleo option so I selected it, filled in my info and received these daily recommendations in return.

Calories: 2248g

Carbs: 112g

Protein: 85g

Fat: 122g

Now the calories and fat seem about typical to me, so no problem there. It's the protein and the carbs that have me confused. Just when I thought I was getting a good idea of all of this.

I was led to believe Paleo was a low carb diet? I thought that was why they said to keep fruits and nuts to a minimum. I've been eating high protein for so long, even before I stared Paleo. It's hard to imagine doing anything else.

So does everyone out there eat high or low carb diet? I'm happy enough with my weight but wouldn't mind losing 5-10 lbs. I want to gain muscle more than anything else. Just feeling more healthy and losing my acne are wonderful side effects of that.

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on May 15, 2012
at 01:12 PM

I'm pretty sure the answer is 42. :P

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on May 15, 2012
at 12:53 PM

No it's obviously exactly 72.

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on May 15, 2012
at 02:02 AM

I'm not sure what brought him to conclude 72 grams a day, but the idea that weight, epigenetics, insulin sensitivity/resistance, metabolic rate, physical activity, infection, and numerous other factors wouldn't increase or decrease this number is silliness.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on May 15, 2012
at 02:00 AM

And we're 98.76% genetically the same as chimpanzees. I'm not sure what brought him to conclude 72 grams a day came, but the idea that weight, epigenetics, insulin sensitivity/resistance, metabolic rate, physical activity, infection, and numerous other factors wouldn't increase or decrease this number is silliness.

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on May 15, 2012
at 01:35 AM

Also the Standard Healthy Diet (SHD) is high carb. High complex carbs and low fat. Paleo is lower carb compared to that.

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on May 14, 2012
at 10:30 PM

It's a common misconception that paleo is low-carb, and a pet peeve of mine. It CAN be low-carb, but is not so necessarily, or even usually.

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on May 14, 2012
at 06:53 PM

no it is based on his 40 years of study,it is THE number. you might go up and down each day but keeping that average is the best bet. we are 99.99% genetically the same (Dr. Vincent Giampappa) so the only real individual difference is your preference of foods

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on May 14, 2012
at 06:52 PM

Beat me to it! This is the perfect answer :)

A9fa2bf11cf5f32d5195d677ff2af197

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on May 14, 2012
at 06:49 PM

Is that 72 grams a blanket number or does it depend on the weight. I'm 160 lbs right now.

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on May 14, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Paul It is not really a formula-just shorthand:) I eat VLC =very low carb at <(less than) 20-30 gram of CHO (carbohydrate/day. :) Some Paleos seem to go low carb other "deny" Paleo is low carb.that is why I say I do not care what others eat/do. Low carb seems to raise the hackles of some.

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on May 14, 2012
at 06:42 PM

Thanks for answering. I'd be interested in knowing what that formula means.

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Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on May 14, 2012
at 06:37 PM

I think most people stay lowER carb, particularly if they're trying to lose body fat. But the macronutrient ratios when following a Paleo-type way of eating are very much dependent on what your goals and activity levels are like. If you do a lot of exercise, weight lifting, Crossfit, whatever, typically you perform (and FEEL) better with a little more carbohydrate, especially prior to and after a workout.

For someone who's trying to lose a lot of weight, higher carbs are not usually the best way to go.

As for keeping nuts to a minimum b/c of carbs, carbs aren't the issue with nuts. (They have way more fat and somewhat more protein than carbs.) The larger issue is that they're usually kinda high in omega-6 fats, and we generally try to keep a good n-6/n-3 ratio, and overdoing it on the nuts (which is VERY EASY) can skew things toward the n-6. (Which leads me to the second issue with nuts: some folks have a very hard time with portion control...easy to go way overboard.)

In looking at the standard American diet (loaded with cereal, bread, pasta, cookies, crackers, etc), even someone who's eating what most of us would consider "higher carb" on Paleo is probably still relatively low-carb. (Even a fair amount of sweet potatoes and fruit wouldn't come close to the upwards of 200-300g of carbs a lot of people eat daily on SAD.) So the 112g the software gave you might be high by some people's standards here, compared to an average person on SAD, that is "low carb."

Some people can eat next to no carbs, others eat plenty of starchy tubers and fruit. All can be "Paleo," if it's all real food, good quality, and no weird junk that came out of a chem lab or factory.

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

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on May 14, 2012
at 06:52 PM

Beat me to it! This is the perfect answer :)

5662d1262516ccbd70249e7aeaf58901

(681)

on May 15, 2012
at 01:35 AM

Also the Standard Healthy Diet (SHD) is high carb. High complex carbs and low fat. Paleo is lower carb compared to that.

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5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on May 14, 2012
at 06:30 PM

The macros shown here are probably the sole opinion of the guy who codes Cronometer.

So you should feel free to modify them to your taste.

That said, I intuitively land at very similar macros to those shown.

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0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

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on May 14, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Personally I like 150 - 200g fat / 50 - 75g carbs / 80 - 100g protein, but I wouldn't get too hung up on numbers. Keep in mind that the FDA's recommendation is something like 300g of carbs a day; 150 is still "low" comparatively.

I think you'll find that a few carbs may be your friend in regard to muscle gain, and possibly leaning out as well. Paleo doesn't have to be inherently low-carb; the only imperative to the label is being whole-food based (in my opinion.)

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F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

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on May 14, 2012
at 06:33 PM

i follow Dr. Wolfgang Lutz, MD, 72 grams of carbs per day is the amount needed for balanced blood sugar, good blood pressure, etc. This is too high in carbs, Even fruit can impact blood sugar if it's too high.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on May 15, 2012
at 12:53 PM

No it's obviously exactly 72.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on May 15, 2012
at 02:02 AM

I'm not sure what brought him to conclude 72 grams a day, but the idea that weight, epigenetics, insulin sensitivity/resistance, metabolic rate, physical activity, infection, and numerous other factors wouldn't increase or decrease this number is silliness.

A9fa2bf11cf5f32d5195d677ff2af197

(268)

on May 14, 2012
at 06:49 PM

Is that 72 grams a blanket number or does it depend on the weight. I'm 160 lbs right now.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on May 15, 2012
at 02:00 AM

And we're 98.76% genetically the same as chimpanzees. I'm not sure what brought him to conclude 72 grams a day came, but the idea that weight, epigenetics, insulin sensitivity/resistance, metabolic rate, physical activity, infection, and numerous other factors wouldn't increase or decrease this number is silliness.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 15, 2012
at 01:12 PM

I'm pretty sure the answer is 42. :P

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on May 14, 2012
at 06:53 PM

no it is based on his 40 years of study,it is THE number. you might go up and down each day but keeping that average is the best bet. we are 99.99% genetically the same (Dr. Vincent Giampappa) so the only real individual difference is your preference of foods

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E7e7e1c856d4494d4a1b700b6869df90

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on May 14, 2012
at 06:32 PM

I am VLC <20-30 g CHO/day

Do what works for you. Personally I do not care what others do or eat or sometimes think:)

E7e7e1c856d4494d4a1b700b6869df90

(982)

on May 14, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Paul It is not really a formula-just shorthand:) I eat VLC =very low carb at <(less than) 20-30 gram of CHO (carbohydrate/day. :) Some Paleos seem to go low carb other "deny" Paleo is low carb.that is why I say I do not care what others eat/do. Low carb seems to raise the hackles of some.

A9fa2bf11cf5f32d5195d677ff2af197

(268)

on May 14, 2012
at 06:42 PM

Thanks for answering. I'd be interested in knowing what that formula means.

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on May 14, 2012
at 10:11 PM

I put my numbers into the Cron-o-meter for Paleo too and it spat out a plan that had me on 1470 kCal per day with only 55 grams protein, 110 carbs, and the rest fat. Who programmed this for Paleo? Granted there are different approaches, but that's not much protein when meat is a primary constituent of the diet. Perhaps if I were lost in the wilderness eating grubs and ants while hoping to come across the carcass of a wildebeest (or other beastie) that might work, but in the city 55 grams of protein is the equivalent of one all-beef patty.

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