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You Know You've Embraced Epi-Paleo When...

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 29, 2012 at 6:05 AM

OK, people, a simple one (in terms of the question, at least): Hack Epi-Paleo! What does it mean to you? Is it the next chapter in paleo - or just more hype?

863fbe3ea7cacba9a77b19a09bf445cf

on August 30, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Kruse has clearly embraced his inner aquatic ape. On the thread on his own forum called "You know you've embraced Epi-Paleo when...", he says, "When your [sic] on a surfboard between consults and you stick your head in the lake and come out with a fish in your mouth and you eat the whole thing right there in front of a stunned neighbor. Next consult in 7 minutes." He claims he washed the nasty taste out of his mouth with Kevita. Raydawg, do you believe this claim? That Kruse fishes with his mouth and then eats the raw, whole, live animal?

863fbe3ea7cacba9a77b19a09bf445cf

on August 30, 2012
at 06:38 PM

Lately he's been referring to some EPCOTx protocol, but I can't find a description of it anywhere on his site. I guess the name isn't surprising for someone who loves Disney, but I imagine he'll run into some trademarking problems down the road.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19483)

on August 30, 2012
at 06:00 PM

Yeah, you're right Ben, it's such a kooky theory, that's why pro swimmers never shave themselves before swimming: http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/outdoor-activities/triathlons/training/swimmers-shave-bodies.htm

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

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on August 30, 2012
at 03:21 PM

Keep in mind what I outlined above is NOT the official epi-paleo template, it is based on my labs and testing and is what works for me. Someone with gut problems or AI might eat totally different.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 30, 2012
at 02:34 PM

we're such amazingly great swimmers now that it points to our ditching our fur/hair in order to swim better? Crazy. We suck at swimming. Even the best swimmers are horribly shaped/adapted to swim with any kind of efficiency.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on August 30, 2012
at 12:17 PM

Do you guys even know what the aquatic ape theory is about? It just means that humans adapted to swim/dive in the ocean, and lost body hair because of it (because fur would drag). It also indicates high shellfish/fish consumption - that's all it really is. There's no gills involved. What's so insane about that? We do swim, we do eat fish, we do lack fur. Where's the controversy in that exactly?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 30, 2012
at 07:27 AM

what examples can you cite

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

(2177)

on August 30, 2012
at 03:42 AM

dsohei needs a dose of reality.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on August 30, 2012
at 03:32 AM

my vestigial gills have been waiting years for this!

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on August 30, 2012
at 03:32 AM

also, there are NUMEROUS ways to lower excessive inflammation and feed the brain even without eating fish.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on August 30, 2012
at 03:30 AM

well hooray for the pristine ones, may they live well & prosper for all time on their goat farms. meanwhile, the rest of reality moves this way...

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on August 30, 2012
at 01:25 AM

That's the key though. Cretans (and where I'm from, in mainland Greece) did not have people who were dairy intolerant. When you have grown up eating a proper diet, milk intolerance is not common at all, especially since the dairy is fermented (no lactose) and from the right animals (goats/sheep have the right casein, more compatible with the human digestion).

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

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on August 29, 2012
at 11:15 PM

Epi-Paleo is easier to band than "Seasonal Seafood Paleo".

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

(4029)

on August 29, 2012
at 11:11 PM

Debunked safe starches, but all those potatoes and rice? Huh.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on August 29, 2012
at 10:39 PM

I'd caution you on seafood all yr round... Mercury, dioxins, PCBs are the primary concerns but now after Fukushima I would be concerned for isotopes with very very long half lives, akman.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on August 29, 2012
at 09:31 PM

You can't really believe a year round seafood heavy diet makes any sort of sense can you?

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on August 29, 2012
at 09:29 PM

Oh, u mean deciding by self experimentation? Yeah, that's total bs.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on August 29, 2012
at 09:28 PM

Oh, except for those pesky ppl who do better with ruminant meat and organs, and don't respond well to milk sugars...

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on August 29, 2012
at 08:46 PM

haters gotta hate...downvote

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on August 29, 2012
at 08:42 PM

Also, this is a nit-picky contention, but he repeatedly claims humans have zonulin and primates do not. I'm pretty sure this is incorrect, given the studies by Alessio Fassano that showed zonulin increases intestinal permeability in the rhesus monkey.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on August 29, 2012
at 08:29 PM

I'm all for eating seafood, I just don't get the way he paints epi-paleo as distinctly different than paleo. Is it because in paleo eating seafood is optional and in epi-paleo eating seafood is necessary? His diet is still falling under the broad umbrella of paleo, despite his attempts at dichotomizing the two.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 29, 2012
at 07:32 PM

Aquatic ape. Holy hell, here we go again. That is a load of nonsense. Is Kruse, admittedly so whacked already that I shouldn't be surprised, really espousing the aquatic ape idea? Gets better and better. And we wonder why serious people laugh at the whole paleo blogosphere.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 29, 2012
at 07:31 PM

I'd agree with that. Trying to brand something his as something new or different is silly. I suppose if people are payig more power to him but we need a big caveat emptor sign

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 29, 2012
at 07:28 PM

He's gotta get to earthing pretty soon, no? Combined with the cold thermo it'd be rad: barefoot, naked on top of a frozen lake. Ice fishing. Going right down his checklist no?

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on August 29, 2012
at 07:27 PM

Yup, this regimen sounds legit to me. More logical than "eat ALL the meat", and it even has fermented dairy in it (I know that Jack supports fermented dairy from goats/sheep/buffalo, which have the right casein compared to the highly-selected US cows).

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 29, 2012
at 07:26 PM

It is nice to see when someone is truly helped by someone's information. That's rad, cheers for you.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 29, 2012
at 07:25 PM

I suppose he is espousing high fish consumption. I have nothing to say against that. But Kruse is a whacko of the highest degree. Fifth degree black belt style. Look up the craziness he used to spout here on PH. His tedx thing is icing on the cake. His inane, arcane, plain old silly method of writing is hilarious. Idiot straight up. He's what dumb people think smart people sound like.

7d64d3988de1b0e493aacf37843c5596

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on August 29, 2012
at 06:58 PM

Since Kruse has been proven to be a pathological liar and scientifically incompetent over and over and over and over again, I don’t see why anyone would bother to read his latest nonsense. Did you people not see his TEDx talk? He referenced a fiction novel in detailing magical abilities of Sherpas, he totally misinterpreted Wim’s endotoxin experiment, he claimed he had to put on a lot of weight before being allowed to receive liposuction surgery, he claimed he injected himself with MRSA, etc, etc, etc… It boggles my mind that people still pay attention.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on August 29, 2012
at 06:12 PM

Wish I could upvote this more.

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

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on August 29, 2012
at 03:24 PM

Actually it's about fueling your body with nutrients that we evolved with. Look up the Aquatic Ape Theory. Then read Brain Gut 5 and Brain Gut 6.

E253f8ac1d139bf4d0bfb44debd1db21

on August 29, 2012
at 10:49 AM

So it's all about the omega 3 then?

963322f175cdd4c5f7d52cc372b3a167

(646)

on August 29, 2012
at 06:16 AM

It's a Jack Kruse-ism - http://jackkruse.com/brain-gut-5-paradigm-drifts-paradigm-shifts-epi-paleo/. Pretty sure it has something to do with fish, but can't for the life of me find a clear, concise definition. It is, however, being presented as the Next Huge Thing.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on August 29, 2012
at 06:13 AM

For those of us who don't know what it is...what the bleep is it?

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7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on August 29, 2012
at 06:10 PM

You Know You???ve Embraced Epi-Paleo When...

... you're spending $248 per month for a membership in Swami Quiltananda's Temple of Woo.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 29, 2012
at 07:28 PM

He's gotta get to earthing pretty soon, no? Combined with the cold thermo it'd be rad: barefoot, naked on top of a frozen lake. Ice fishing. Going right down his checklist no?

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on August 29, 2012
at 06:12 PM

Wish I could upvote this more.

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on August 29, 2012
at 08:46 PM

haters gotta hate...downvote

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61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on August 29, 2012
at 06:51 PM

Kruse's "epi-paleo" protocol was the missing link for me. I was fully on board with paleo ala Primal blueprint, safe starches, IF and all that jazz. Epi-paleo just added a new layer...seafood...and debunked the safe starch theory. Jack's writing/blogging has gotten a lot better in the past year and his forum rocks. He is a constant presence on his own forum, unlike Sisson who never goes there.

Epi-paleo should appeal to most following PB or any paleo iteration. It favors a healthy gut flora and is tracked by labs. Not rocket science but a point lost on most paleo blogs.

I have to thank Jack. I've never spent a penny on him, but he has given me a new lease on life and a roadmap I will follow for the rest of my life.

Winter: Ketogenic seafood only diet, no fruit, fermented veg, cheese, chocolate, deep cold

Spring: Ketogenic seafood heavy, eggs, green leafy veg, cheese, chocolate, mild cold

Summer: Seafood heavy, lots of fruit, lots of leaves, garden veggies, heat&sunshine

Fall: Seafood heavy, tapering off fruit, eating corn, potatoes, rice, cabbage, mild cold

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on August 29, 2012
at 10:39 PM

I'd caution you on seafood all yr round... Mercury, dioxins, PCBs are the primary concerns but now after Fukushima I would be concerned for isotopes with very very long half lives, akman.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on August 29, 2012
at 09:31 PM

You can't really believe a year round seafood heavy diet makes any sort of sense can you?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 29, 2012
at 07:26 PM

It is nice to see when someone is truly helped by someone's information. That's rad, cheers for you.

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

(4029)

on August 29, 2012
at 11:11 PM

Debunked safe starches, but all those potatoes and rice? Huh.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on August 29, 2012
at 07:27 PM

Yup, this regimen sounds legit to me. More logical than "eat ALL the meat", and it even has fermented dairy in it (I know that Jack supports fermented dairy from goats/sheep/buffalo, which have the right casein compared to the highly-selected US cows).

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on August 30, 2012
at 03:21 PM

Keep in mind what I outlined above is NOT the official epi-paleo template, it is based on my labs and testing and is what works for me. Someone with gut problems or AI might eat totally different.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 30, 2012
at 12:43 AM

A comment needs to be made on the term "epi-paleo".

As most of you know, the "epi" prefix is most commonly associated with the term epigenetics, which includes a type of genetic regulation that can be transmitted between generations without changes on the DNA sequence. The implication is that rapid changes in gene expression are possible without needing to have changes occur to the genes themselves.

To a geneticist, epi-paleo would imply a version of the paleo template that incorporates individual epigenetic status. For example, it may be that a gene or genes associated with insulin response may be down-modulated (and insulin response blunted) due to long term consumption of refined carbohydrates. If it were possible to diagnose the epigenetic status of such genes one could prescribe an appropriate compensatory paleo template.

This is not what epi-paleo is about. Epi, in its strict definition means above, and I believe it is being used to denote that this form of paleo is above, i.e. superior to other paleo interpretations. However, a strictly marine based diet is not consistent with the broad geography, flora and fauna that ancestral man existed in and it would be inept to suggest that a temperate zone coastline is where human genes were forged.

I would suggest that meta- or para- is a more suitable prefix for this paleo variant.

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on August 29, 2012
at 03:57 PM

One of these days Kruse needs to admit to himself and everyone that he is just completely lousy at promotion. This 'epi' prefix is lame. The argument about DHA being so important isn't lame- it is pretty interesting. But Kruse's self-promotion is so bad that he shouldn't even be allowed to pick his own outfits. I've seen used car salesmen who look more reputable. Epi-paleo is just low carb paleo + hey, everybody, let's eat more seafood- which is pretty much just low-carb paleo. Because seafood is paleo, ya know?

I read his stuff, too. I just wish he'd be more like Peter @ hyperlipid, or Lucas Tafur. Those guys are on my list of people I'd probably pay to blog, if I had any money.

863fbe3ea7cacba9a77b19a09bf445cf

on August 30, 2012
at 06:38 PM

Lately he's been referring to some EPCOTx protocol, but I can't find a description of it anywhere on his site. I guess the name isn't surprising for someone who loves Disney, but I imagine he'll run into some trademarking problems down the road.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 29, 2012
at 07:31 PM

I'd agree with that. Trying to brand something his as something new or different is silly. I suppose if people are payig more power to him but we need a big caveat emptor sign

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

(4029)

on August 29, 2012
at 11:15 PM

Epi-Paleo is easier to band than "Seasonal Seafood Paleo".

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 29, 2012
at 07:29 AM

I wouldn't say it's the next chapter in paleo. Nutrigenetics, epinutrigenetics and enterogenetics should fill that chapter.

But it's a structured variant that promotes a predominantly seafood diet aimed at lowering inflammation and optimising nutrition for the brain. It restricts certain food according to seasonality and promotes strict avoidance of US dairy, nightshade vegetables and all grains.

The evolutionary rationale behind this food plan is the claim that it best supports nutrition for the brain - and it is the human brain that has undergone the most dramatic evolution. There is no evidence to suggest it does not support brain nutrition.

I think it's certainly better than "I'll just decide what paleo is for me" type of regiment.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 30, 2012
at 07:27 AM

what examples can you cite

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on August 30, 2012
at 03:32 AM

also, there are NUMEROUS ways to lower excessive inflammation and feed the brain even without eating fish.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on August 29, 2012
at 09:29 PM

Oh, u mean deciding by self experimentation? Yeah, that's total bs.

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3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on August 29, 2012
at 07:23 AM

I like Dr Kruse. And I believe that he's on the right spot proposing fish and shellfish over meat. Consider that the Cretans, who had the best diet in the world until recent years (before the Western World caught up with them), lived to be over 100 years old, and ate red meat very few times in a month. Fish/shellfish, veggies and lots of fruits is what they most ate, even if they had goats/sheep that they could easily slaughter. They used their animals mostly for (fermented, right casein) dairy.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on August 29, 2012
at 09:28 PM

Oh, except for those pesky ppl who do better with ruminant meat and organs, and don't respond well to milk sugars...

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on August 30, 2012
at 01:25 AM

That's the key though. Cretans (and where I'm from, in mainland Greece) did not have people who were dairy intolerant. When you have grown up eating a proper diet, milk intolerance is not common at all, especially since the dairy is fermented (no lactose) and from the right animals (goats/sheep have the right casein, more compatible with the human digestion).

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on August 30, 2012
at 03:30 AM

well hooray for the pristine ones, may they live well & prosper for all time on their goat farms. meanwhile, the rest of reality moves this way...

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

(2177)

on August 30, 2012
at 03:42 AM

dsohei needs a dose of reality.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on August 30, 2012
at 03:32 AM

my vestigial gills have been waiting years for this!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 30, 2012
at 02:34 PM

we're such amazingly great swimmers now that it points to our ditching our fur/hair in order to swim better? Crazy. We suck at swimming. Even the best swimmers are horribly shaped/adapted to swim with any kind of efficiency.

E253f8ac1d139bf4d0bfb44debd1db21

on August 29, 2012
at 10:49 AM

So it's all about the omega 3 then?

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

(2177)

on August 29, 2012
at 03:24 PM

Actually it's about fueling your body with nutrients that we evolved with. Look up the Aquatic Ape Theory. Then read Brain Gut 5 and Brain Gut 6.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 29, 2012
at 07:32 PM

Aquatic ape. Holy hell, here we go again. That is a load of nonsense. Is Kruse, admittedly so whacked already that I shouldn't be surprised, really espousing the aquatic ape idea? Gets better and better. And we wonder why serious people laugh at the whole paleo blogosphere.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19483)

on August 30, 2012
at 12:17 PM

Do you guys even know what the aquatic ape theory is about? It just means that humans adapted to swim/dive in the ocean, and lost body hair because of it (because fur would drag). It also indicates high shellfish/fish consumption - that's all it really is. There's no gills involved. What's so insane about that? We do swim, we do eat fish, we do lack fur. Where's the controversy in that exactly?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19483)

on August 30, 2012
at 06:00 PM

Yeah, you're right Ben, it's such a kooky theory, that's why pro swimmers never shave themselves before swimming: http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/outdoor-activities/triathlons/training/swimmers-shave-bodies.htm

863fbe3ea7cacba9a77b19a09bf445cf

on August 30, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Kruse has clearly embraced his inner aquatic ape. On the thread on his own forum called "You know you've embraced Epi-Paleo when...", he says, "When your [sic] on a surfboard between consults and you stick your head in the lake and come out with a fish in your mouth and you eat the whole thing right there in front of a stunned neighbor. Next consult in 7 minutes." He claims he washed the nasty taste out of his mouth with Kevita. Raydawg, do you believe this claim? That Kruse fishes with his mouth and then eats the raw, whole, live animal?

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on March 01, 2013
at 07:30 PM

Regardless of whether Kruse or his philosophies are whack, one should do with the information he provides as one does with all other information - Analyze it, critique it, then decide best how it fits into your life and what you take away from it.

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on December 11, 2013
at 07:49 AM

I wonder how familiar you folks are with Jack's work or even his personal history. In short, he says that all you need to do know the epi-genetic status of something like Leptin is to do a simple lab test for HS-CRP, which measures systemic inflammation. It's not just that Leptin governs gene expression in general. It governs a list of things like the functioning of cell membranes. Leptin triggers specific genetic capacities. That's his point. Cold and light (etc) PLUS diet govern Leptin. Further, the emphasis on seafood in this thread is startling. That is such a small detail of his work. I give my thoughts on his work here.

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