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Who here is excited to read Jack Kruse's blog? Dr. K. is delivering as promised.

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created June 07, 2011 at 6:57 PM

http://jackkruse.com/jacks-blog/

I have read several of his articles. I particularly like the one on Leptin part deux.... The Liver.

I think it's cool to see a qualified Doc step up and dig into the nitty gritty that most are unwilling to do. Many doubted him. (and I think it was fair to do so to an extent).

But from what I've seen so far (which honestly isn't much yet), the Doc is "bringin' it".

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

I think you have some very promising things in the pipeline and you seem to be quite passionate about it with the right intention. That's respectable. That's why you at least have made as much noise as you have within the Paleo community. You have tremendous qualifications and a treasure trove of knowledge. We all know you now Doc. Well done. .

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 08, 2011
at 08:37 PM

_"If you want credibility you need to stop taking cheap shots at celebs, stop talking about your personal politic beliefs and stop talking about highly controversial subjects like the HCG diet"_ This is BS. The man has every right to behave whatever he wants and that doesn't change his credibility in eyes of people who know the stuff. Only those who are concentrated on trivia and/or have some other kind of personal frustrations can not accept deviance of a mainstream. I like Quilt for who he is, because he doesn't pretend to be what he is obviously not - a boring mainstream doctor.

4ae65e9a9abceabe4d2f6e2ccd810122

(50)

on October 08, 2011
at 08:15 PM

Dr. Kruse is one of the few to have strong opinions while other Paleo bloggers sit on the fence or change their mind every few months.

64c9261eb27ec9d841a5ace87973b907

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on June 27, 2011
at 02:41 PM

Ever think maybe he is trying to inform folks like ME, just starting to take back their lives & get healthy! Not all people on here know what to do, or how to fix the leptin problems we have. Seems to be alot of downing on the Quilt, he is just trying to arm, unimformed folks on how to become healthy. Sorry, just dont understand why so much negativity towards him. He may not be a "people person" BUT he is a GREAT doctor.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 11, 2011
at 05:11 PM

Gosh Kronky, why you gotta be so nice all the time :) Yeah Quilt, I'm ready to learn some interesting and new facts, and you're in a great position to provide said facts. But we paleohackers are not sheep. If anyone exaggerates, misquotes, or make unwarranted conclusions, it's Hammer Time. Picking apart conventional wisdom errors is what got us here, and there's no going back! But yeah, we're all on the same team, so let's be friends. Or at least friendly. Well, okay, just not merciless.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 11, 2011
at 04:20 PM

But I would venture to say that people might take you more seriously if you didn't toss around falsities in the name of proving a point. Also, it may help if you didn’t poke around so much on PH. Weird I know... because when I see that Chris Kresser and Dr Harris don’t have much of a presence here, and CMast is nowhere to be found, and Sisson is MIA... well you get my point. It's like a catch 22. We want them around, but completely understand why they aren’t.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 11, 2011
at 04:19 PM

… But now, I do agree with Shari that it would behoove you to consider taking some key steps in your approach to 'win' us over. You surely don't have to. You have your practice and it’s your call. But don’t let your efforts to be futile. In the end, you will inevitably end up exactly where your decisions bring you. You've made enough of a splash that I’m sure even those here with the harshest of words for you want you to win. I'm rooting for you Doc. I think there is value in your quest and I'd like to see you win. I think probably we'd all win.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 11, 2011
at 04:18 PM

At any rate, people on PH have responded as they have. It is what it is. The formula of circumstances that has brought that about cannot be redone. But you will now have to decide how you will handle the voices of the people here, and that is your choice alone. Like it or not, it will partially define you and what you're all about in the minds of an important group among the very audience you seek to help. (although I know you also seek to help many outside the "Paleo" audience as well, of course).

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 11, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Can't we all just get along? Hehe. I have a suggestion. How about we all take a deep breath and remember that we are on the same team. Er. At least I thought we were. Dr K - Kamal and Paul are saying that you misquoted some studies. Is this true? Was it just a mistake? Was it intentional?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 11:25 PM

And you will never find The Quilt's claim to be true, no matter how many articles you look at. His claim is "Mindfulness has shown 56% reduction in cancer recurrence." My boss's boss was Herbert Benson, a smart and kind cardiologist who is the father of mindfulness meditation research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Benson) If I had said more than two words to him at work, I would totally get him to post here to show just how badly The Quilt makes stuff up.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 11:18 PM

Trample the Points FTW!!!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 11:17 PM

WCC Paul- thanks for rooting out those studies. Beware though. The more you dig, the more likely you are to receive some friendly advice from The Quilt..."Just because you're ignorant of the science does not allow you to trample the points."

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on June 10, 2011
at 11:03 PM

And here is the fourth one, namely "Do stress-related psychosocial factors contribute to cancer incidence and survival?" Chida Y et al., Nature Clinical Practice Oncology, August 2008. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18493231 Again, this seems somewhat in the ballpark but I don't see evidence for the one claim about 56% etc. Could be buried in there somewhere perhaps.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:57 PM

Here is the third one, that is, "Effect of psychosocial treatment on survival of patients with metastatic breast cancer," Spiegel D et al., Lancet, October 14, 1989. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2571815 This one seems a little more to the point, but it is about time to death in patients with fairly advanced cancer. (Also I'm not quite sure I fully understand what "mindfulness" is and what is included under that concept.)

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:49 PM

Here's the second one, although the list is organized in a somewhat fuzzy way. But it's this one: "Chronic stress promotes tumor growth and angiogenesis in a mouse model of ovarian carcinoma." Thaker PH et al., Nature Medicine 2006, August. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16862152 http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v12/n8/pdf/nm1447.pdf

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:37 PM

WCC Paul-- yeah, pretty funny, huh? Let's say you make a claim that mindfulness reduces cancer recurrence by 56%. What sort of study should you cite? Well, you might want to consider a study of a vegan diet with a bazillion supplements that includes yoga, meditation, and other lifestyle changes. Oh yeah, the study doesn't even include cancer recurrence as an outcome. Yeah, that's exactly the kind of study that you should cite when you think nobody is going to actually look the study up. My goodness, THE GALL!!

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:33 PM

10% of calories from fat.11 The diet is intensive but palatable and practical. In earlier studies most patients were able to adhere to this diet for at least 5 years."

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:33 PM

fish oil (3 gm daily), vitamin E (400 IU daily), selenium (200 mcg daily) and vitamin C (2 gm daily), moderate aerobic exercise (walking 30 minutes 6 days weekly), stress management techniques (gentle yoga based stretching, breathing, meditation, imagery and progressive relaxation for a total of 60 minutes daily) and participation in a 1-hour support group once weekly to enhance adherence to the intervention.10 The diet was predominantly fruits, vegetables, whole grains (complex carbohydrates), legumes and soy products, low in simple carbohydrates and with approximately [Continued]

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:32 PM

I'm looking through and posting some links so that we can all look ourselves and make our own decisions. Here's the first one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16094059 I'm on an institutional network right now, so I don't know if I have full-text reference just because of that, but here's an excerpt on the the Ornish group's lifestyle changes for the study: "Experimental group patients were prescribed an intensive lifestyle program that included a vegan diet supplemented with soy (1 daily serving of tofu plus 58 gm of a fortified soy protein powdered beverage), [Continued]

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:19 PM

It just takes so much darn effort (ahem, I mean "due diligence") to catch him in the act. Be neither wowed nor intimidated by this eye-opening neurosurgeon's far-reaching claims. Anyone has the power to read logically and critically. Just hold aloft your magic sword and say, "By the Power of Grayskull!....I HAVE THE POWER!"

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:02 PM

thorough. thats the way to do it, Kamal. Drop the hammer. Guys a goofball, you've shown it.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 09:47 PM

Let me be clear Quilt: I obviously do not disagree with any of your basic concepts. Tracking your health, reading a variety of subjects, tweaking your diet, feeling empowered in the healthcare system. Mindulness meditation is one of the coolest things in the world and I almost chose to do a thesis on mindful eating. It's great that you've read a lot about leptin, telomeres, and other aging stuff. But no matter who is sitting at the computer and typing...if they make stuff up, they will be ridiculed excessively and with reckless abandon.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:35 PM

Here is what my (oncologist) coworker said after looking at the studies The Quilt listed and seeing his claim of 56% reduction in cancer recurrence: "This guy is a neurosurgeon but doesn't know how to read? That's funny. You guys listen to him, huh? That's funny."

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:34 PM

Here is what my (oncologist) coworker said after looking at the studies The Quilt listed and seeing his claim of 56% reduction in cancer recurrence: "This guy is a neurosurgeon but doesn't know how to read? That's funny. You guys follow his orders, huh? It might be time to think for yourself."

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:32 PM

Do I even need to go on? This guy will pull you in with exaggerations and flowery language, and will mock you when you show that studies do not say what he claims. Like I said, I interned at the largest mindfulness meditation research group in the country. Sure, I was a peon, but I saw the research. We were pro-meditation, obviously, but we did not lie. Truthfulness in research is so so so important, that I can't even believe someone would lie/exaggerate just to make a point. The ends do not justify the means.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:32 PM

Do I even need to go on? This guy will pull you in with exaggerations and flowerly language, and will mock you when you show that studies do not say what he claims. Like I said, I interned at the largest mindfulness meditation research group in the country. Sure, I was a peon, but I saw the research. We were pro-meditation, obviously, but we did not lie. Truthfulness in research is so so so important, that I can't even believe someone would lie/exaggerate just to make a point. The ends do not justify the means.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:26 PM

Quilt study #2: Chronic stress promotes tumor growth and angiogenesis in a MOUSE model of ovarian carcinoma

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:24 PM

@Kamal, it is unfortunate that correcting and explaining inaccuracies takes a great deal more time and effort than making them.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:23 PM

Quilt study #1: Ornish 2005. "Experimental group patients were prescribed an intensive lifestyle program that included a VEGAN diet supplemented with soy...fish oil..selenium...meditation...yoga..."

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:20 PM

Quilt: "Mindfulness has shown 56% reduction in cancer recurrence." Kamal: "Ummm...no. Most of the trial research was done here in Boston at MGH, UMass, and Beth Israel. Neither meta-analyses nor individual trials show a 56% reduction..." Quilt: "Just because you're ignorant of the science does not allow you to trample the points." Kamal: (speaking in present tense) Don't make me actually pull those studies and prove that you're making stuff up!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:19 PM

You, my dear sir, are out of your freaking mind. If anybody needs a record of how easily The Quilt slips into and out of lies and exaggerations, please read on...

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on June 10, 2011
at 07:56 PM

@Kamal, how about The Fluffy Blanket?

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on June 10, 2011
at 07:15 PM

I love this design. I've barely stuck my toe in the water in other forum style sites (on different subject matter) -- but all of the icons, bling, points, kitschy awards, and rank designations completely befuddled me. PaleoHacks = sleekly minimalist yet fun, while not distracting from content.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 10, 2011
at 07:10 PM

thanker PH et all "chronic stress Promotes tumor Growth and angiogenesis in mouse model of ovarian carcinoma." Nature 2006 Spiegel, D. Effect of psychosocial treatment on survival of patients with metastic breast Cancer. Lancet 2 no. 8673 (Nov 18, 1989) 1209-10 Chida,Y. "do stress related psychosocial factors contribute to cancer incidence and survival? Nature clinical practice oncology 5, no 8 (2008) Just because you're ignorant of the science does not allow you to trample the points. The beauty of science is whether you believe it or not.....the truth still remains the truth.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 10, 2011
at 07:03 PM

@Kamal....you need to go bck and read then if you did what you said at a mindfulness center. 1.UCSF study on lifestyle changes and prostate cancer 2005 One of the few good thing Dean Ornish has published. With the follow up study done in 2008 Ornish Weidner Fair "Intensive Lifestyle changes may effect the Progression of prostate cancer. Journal of Urology 174, no 3 2005 1065-69 disusion 9-70. 2. Ornish et al. "Changes in Prostate gene expression in men undergoing an intensive nutrition and lifestyle Intervention," Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 105 8369-74

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on June 10, 2011
at 06:21 PM

Kamal you are my major source of gut irritation. You make mine HURT! LOL!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on June 10, 2011
at 04:13 AM

That is hilarious Kamal. Thanks for the much needed bit of levity.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 10, 2011
at 03:40 AM

Or, conversley, repelled. Ahem.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 10, 2011
at 03:38 AM

the stackexchange way is pure genius, but in particular i find the browns and oranges and all the fonts and whatnot of everything here at PH super tasteful and appealing. Even the PaleoHacks font has juuust enough of a flintstone vibe, without being corny. Uhh, so yeah, I can really dork out on details/design.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 03:05 AM

I attempted to get my workplace to use one of the stackexchange clones to brainstorm ideas. Sufficed to say, most people are not open to new ideas, even if they are visually pleasing and simple to use.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 02:57 AM

That was extremely kind and well written! It definitely spurs me to make fun of The Quilt in a more positive manner.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 02:50 AM

All I can say is that The Quilt brings it when it comes to entertainment on paleohacks. I can only hope this will spur another crazy paleo physician to join the board. Can paleohacks handle...The Duvet Cover?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 02:43 AM

All I can say is that The Quilt brings it when it comes to entertainment on paleohacks. I can only hope this will spur another paleo physician to join the board. Can paleohacks handle...The Duvet Cover?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 10, 2011
at 01:15 AM

Shari, I love everything you say, you always keep it so posi! Your pile-on post honestly surprised me. Of course i up-voted it, but I did hesitate for a second. The pile-on made me uncomfortable too. Even though I think Dr Quilt's an egomaniac, and it's been fun to have a laugh at his expense, I heartily agree with everything you say here. For me, the bottom line is, that "it takes all kinds", as they say. I mean, I might think the Dr is an asshole, but so what? We're all doing the best we can. I *do* hope he can get his thing worked out (and I'm also glad he may be spending less time here).

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 10, 2011
at 01:11 AM

that is one of the most awesome, well rounded answers i've ever seen on paleohacks. and it's not because you mention me. it's because of your delivery. you've schooled us all here with a great lesson on how to deliver a message. bravo, shari. bravo.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 10, 2011
at 12:49 AM

@Patrik- fwiw, I'd like to say that the only reason I'm here is because this site so appealing to me visually/format-wise -- more than any other forum I've seen (ever?) - tho admittedly I'm not much of a forum-lurker. O'course it's the incredibly smart, entertaining people that participate that have kept me coming back. Style w/ substance! So yeah, kudos on the design aspect; I lovelovelove it, and I would really not be here without it.

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

(2231)

on June 10, 2011
at 12:43 AM

yes, very similar to mastering leptin IMO

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 09, 2011
at 08:00 PM

yes, i confess im addicted to checking all the updates in the comments section here:)

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on June 09, 2011
at 07:39 PM

Comments battle !

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on June 09, 2011
at 07:06 PM

@ben61820 - good point - I don't want to miss a blanket OR a levee. If the water gets in, I'll want something to cover myself with.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on June 09, 2011
at 07:04 PM

OMG, that's so appropriate.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 09, 2011
at 06:06 PM

what i mean is i had enough curiosity to poke around there for more than 20 seconds because i 'know' Dr Kwilt from PH. He'll need to clarify/focus his theme/point in addition to improved editing/formatting/design to get any readership from the gen public.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:53 PM

^^^^^ totes. it's not like i could send my mom there. coming from here, i have a bit of framework for understanding his mission/point, and a curiosity --- i feel like anyone else would just close the window after 20 seconds.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:24 PM

really? I apologize.... next time I'll check my sense of humor at the door.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:13 PM

I tried telling The Quilt that he should re-do his blog format -- but he didn't like what I had to say.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7304)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Futureboy, I have to disagree. It's a bit like reading gibberish, albeit scientific gibberish peppered with fancy terms. That is not effective conveyance of information.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:50 PM

ditto kamal, and melissa.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:48 PM

I always (kinda) agree with you, Kronky!

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:46 PM

"ok well i guess we just straight up disagree on this". I wrote this not seeing your comments directly above, which I mostly agree with.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:45 PM

And now that I'm all out of criticism, I'll stop. If anyone else wants to continue rational skepticism of the Quiltmeister, please do. But note that it takes a lot of time and energy!

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:44 PM

ok well i guess we just straight up disagree on this. that's ok. i've said my piece. if Dr K gets flushed out for being a quack, then fine. But if he's really on to something, then i think there could be great value in his work in a number of areas. I'm pretty much coming at this from a "how cool is it having a paleo neurosurgeon doing research for you to tie stuff together? Who actually likes doing this?", from Kamal's comment above. I guess I just see much of these comments (many of the comments below the answers) as harsh and I don't think it's deserved at this point.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:41 PM

Yesterday, I saw a claim he made about mindfulness reducing cancer recurrence by 56%. Luckily, I had an internship at the biggest mindfulness research center in the country a few years ago, and knew he was wrong. But who is going to do "due diligence" just to make sure that someone isn't making stuff up? That's the crux of the issue...he has a lot to offer, but it is mixed up with him trying to overstate claims and make a unified theory. When you mix in not-so-great writing skills, it will turn people off before they give him a chance.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:39 PM

Jack- To some extent, I agree. He appears open to improving his writing and listening to readers. But there are just so many things that grind my gears. If you say that something is wrong, his response is that you should read some biochem or do your due diligence. He has clearly made claims on paleohacks that are flat out wrong. The only way to catch them is if you are a med student or happened to have experience in that area.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:35 PM

Jack, no one said "I hate this guy. F*&* you Dr. K. and STFU Jack Kronk". If they did the comment/post should be flagged and deleted. I think everyone that responded explained their response in civil and intelligent manner.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:35 PM

Kamal - I agree with a lot of what you say above. What I am saying is that I think many people here are being way too abrasive and rude with their 'opinion'. I stepped in with my own opinion accordingly. If one is not excited to read Dr K's work, that's more than fine with me. I couldn't care less really. But I still think that the 'good' he is doing outweighs the 'bad'. He's eccentric, has strong opinions, and his stuff is kinda 'out there' and different, but many great people start out that way. All I'm saying is give the guy a chance.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:33 PM

I don't think people criticize the doc because he's a doc. In fact, that seems to be helping him around these parts. If someone saw "Leptin and Levees: part 62 that you must remember to be healthy, By Jack Kronk", fewer people would excuse the lack of coherence and uncited claims.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Maybe the reason Guyenet/Harris/Masterjohn don't really post much here is that they spend time doing stuff, and their writing speaks for itself. On the one hand, it is really awesome that The Quilt is a neurosurgeon. I mean, how cool is it having a paleo neurosurgeon doing research for you to tie stuff together? Who actually likes doing this? On the other hand, if he's posting on paleohacks all day, you gotta feel bad for his patients.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:29 PM

yep. and i'm responding to 'people's answers'. my answer here is my opinion, same as the other answers. I am totally fine with critique. It's very important. But just because he's got Doc next to his name doesn't mean that trashing his work is the right approach. I'm not feeling it. I did ask for people's responses, good and bad, positive and negative. But if someone came on here and said "I hate this guy. F*&* you Dr K., and STFU Jack Kronk".. do you think that it would be a welcomed comment? Or perhaps we'd all call foul on it, saying it's innapropriate, even though it's their "opinion".

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:25 PM

There is more to paleo-educating than listing chemicals and pathways and claiming exclusive knowledge of something critical for your health. The Quilt has mentioned that none of the blogs he reads ever cite sources. It appears that he doesn't read Guyenet and Masterjohn then. Every single sciency paleo blogger writes better, cites better, makes less unfounded claims, and has a smaller ego. Kurt Harris can be abrasive, but I've never seen him make dubious claims. His writing is clear as f*ck. He doesn't make shit up.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:16 PM

One should never hold back criticism just because it is against a doctor who is enthusiastic and knowledgable. As my man spidey says, "With great power comes great responsibility". In my view, and apparently the view of others, they are not excited about reading the Quilt's blog. Not because they don't care about leptin/aging/etc, but because of other issues (not just grammar).

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:07 PM

The question was asked Jack "Are you excited..." people answered. Are you saying that if they weren't going to say something nice, they should have answered? People are entitled to their opinion.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on June 09, 2011
at 02:29 PM

The word quantam seems to be, more often than not, a big red flag for "serious woo ahead".

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 09, 2011
at 01:59 PM

If there were a system to kill file I happily would. I wonder if I could hack the script I have for another site...

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 09, 2011
at 01:48 PM

/o/\o\ High five for you Shari!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:51 PM

they'd need the rosetta stone, dude

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:49 PM

thats right kamal. good for you for standing up for the stream-of-consciousness Palins of the world:)

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:48 PM

but we got a friendly, helpful community here, lets enjoy it. Dr. K is an important member - we might miss a levee or blanket if he weren't here to remind us. And our leptin-sensitivity would be shot to hell.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:47 PM

@Dex, so long as dr.K keeps posting his ellipses-laden quips I will keep commenting on them. Too fun and easy not to. lets not get too serious about any of this - this is an internet forum where are loosely discussing hacking ways of eating somewhat associated with cro-magnon man. If you woulda told me three years ago that I'd be spending this much time per day pleasantly talking with everyone here I woulda laughed you out of the room

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:41 AM

The Quilt has posted 324 answers and has voted 229 times. How is one to forget that he is a poster on paleohacks, without the help of a recreational drug? Not only that, but the whole voting and commenting system seems to be a rough peer-review process. If one doesn't criticize when criticism is warranted, then we would surely devolve into monkeys, or at best, lemurs. One can look at how many upvotes an answer has to approximate what the community thinks about it. One may choose to ignore the votes if he or she thinks the paleohacks community is mentally challenged, or they may adapt instead.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:07 AM

Absolutely Kamal. I learned more from him in my time in India than I did in the 25 years of working in the Physical Fitness world. Dr. Bernstein taught me the importance of "normal" blood sugars. Dr. Rosedale taught the importance of low insulin, low leptin and low Mtor. The sweetest, smartest guy in the room who always had time to counsel 1 or 20 at a time on how to get their health back...for free. Dr. Rosedale has debated Dean Ornish, he started clinics with the Eades, he knows the skeletons in the ADA closet...he also understands the tweaks that the Paleo community can make to optimize

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:00 AM

if PH doesn't read it, who will???

C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

(2437)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:55 AM

-1 for the pic! ;)

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:03 AM

The quilt must flow.. over the levees?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:52 AM

Hey, can you stop being so concise and insightful please? Although you and me and everyone we know may think this way, some readers will find a a certain je ne sais quoi with those that promise to deliver the real ultimate secret.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:35 AM

Debate! That would be neat. Rosedale seems like a cool dude--it must have been quite enriching to work with him in India.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:37 AM

My last comments did not include that Dr. Rosedale also healed my wife of a double anuerysm. I was told by the docs at Cedar Sinai that she would be a veg. in a wheelchair. In one year, She is her old self again...for free. Before you insult a person's intentions again, Dr. Kruse, lets examine your record on charity. Point 2. " He does not understand levee one". Again, everyone, please reread the debate on Paleo Hacks and judge for yourself who understands levee one...whatever the hell "levee one" is. I call for a debate...I call for a debate!

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:26 AM

Here it is, judge for your self. http://paleohacks.com/questions/33775/what-kind-of-fat-do-you-eat-on-dr-rosedales-high-fat-diet#axzz1OjXj4gwC We are all in this together..I do not understand your desire to make it personal and thumb your nose a guy who has been fighting the high fat/low carb fight for over 30 years. I would love to see an open debate between you and Dr. Rosedale at the Ancestral Symposium. Someone call Aaron Blaisdale before my blood sugar goes any higher. I am going to take some Valerian, blue poppy and Lobelia now...in a glass of red wine...2 buck chuck cause the of herbs.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:14 AM

OK. Dr. K. I will respond to you in the most civil way I can. You have insulted Dr. Rosedale and his intentions and his intellect. I have worked with Dr. Rosedale. Am I biased? Yes. Point 1. Dr. Rosedale has a book to sell. You impune that he is after money. He has spent the last 3 years in India working for free to heal Indians at an Ashram. Charity work. He sold no books in India. I have been with him as he healed dozens of people and charged them nothing. His paper, "Insulin and its Metabolic Effects" is the most downloaded parer on the web on insulin. Again...for free.

Medium avatar

(2169)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:00 AM

@ben61820- I just laughed out loud. Thanks! @Kamal- you are SO right. I have so many friends who are poor English grad students. Their writing and editing is excellent but they are poor and can't find jobs. You made me laugh too :) @ The Quilt- Would your average English graduate student be able to understand the concepts you write about enough to edit your work? Would you need someone with both a strong biochem background and good editing skills?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 08, 2011
at 10:32 PM

O, teh innerwebs.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:24 PM

I really can't believe how off-the-wall just straight goofy this quilt nonsense is. Any one not thoroughly into this site, were they to reAd this stuff, would just laugh us right out of the room. Einstein? Good grief, dr.K, come back down to earth and hang with the rest of us. You're a surgeon who lost weight, read a bunch about leptin.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:17 PM

Levees and quilts? Holy hell, we're getting into Dune territory here. This is hilarious.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:14 PM

It's a plain old false dichotomy to say sisson's, or anyone else's, words and advice is no legit merely because they are also selling something. Everyone has vested interests in everything thy do for one, not merely fiscally. And all Sisson's stuff is spot-on, whether he makes money putting it ALSO in book format or not. Quilt been saying this for a while now: I'm a better source cuz I got nothing to sell. Too bad it also "allows" him to not fully cite or reference anything.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:10 PM

Think you summed it up quite well, Matthew. Quilt just rambles on and on about leptin leptin leptin, as if we've never heard of it. All theorizing with no sources etc. One man's passion overcoming his ability and actual knowledge

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:06 PM

In other words, terrible writer.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:06 PM

I think half what you say is gibberish, doc, by for $500 I'll make your blog read like the new Yorker.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:38 PM

I actually have googled it and found a lot of varying information.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:09 PM

Dude, take that 500 bucks and hire a team of five poor English majors! I gaurentee a 25% increase in readership.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:04 PM

its only your health that is at risk after all.......

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:03 PM

there are thousands......use a google button.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:01 PM

Bingo Stabby....

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Nice haiku. Too many words though :)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:20 PM

I may do this. Vlog from my pool or deck? I guess I have to look into that angle. And sadly i did pay a medical editor. I guess that was an epic fail huh? Waste of 500 bucks.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:18 PM

I think you will find my response to Dr Rosedale today more interesting then. We need to read data critically and put it in context. Ned Kock makes this point over and over again with respect to numbers and I do with clinical medicine. I have no book to sell my ideas. Rosedale does. I give you my idea free to think about. He looks at research papers that provide no context. I read and apply it to patients with context. Any my results are completely different because he does not understand levee one.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:15 PM

Stabby you got a shout today.....because you been asking for why I think paleo diet is superior when Rosedale does not.....my response is out there for you to tear apart. EAT MEAT

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:14 PM

I think you will like what I did today better.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:22 PM

The writing is silly. The poor grammar, etc make it such that unfortunately the blog can not legitimately be used in educating people. If you try sending a clear-thinking, patient, contemplative person to his blog you'll get laughed at. That's unfortunate. By the way, conversely, I've always appreciated Harris' contributions for essentially the opposite.

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:10 AM

The only blogs I read that don't involve cites are about people's personal lives, or their religious lives. This question has been useful to me because I am starting to feel like this is a matter of faith rather than fact for some people. The pattern feels like one of belief, a claim of revelation, claims that unbelievers just don't see and a certain flavor of extremism that feels fundamentalist. I don't knock faith, I have it myself. However, I don't want to believe in what I eat. I want that to be supported by either reasonable science or personal indulgence.

8c5533ffe71bd4262fedc7e898ead1ba

(1724)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:44 AM

If none of the other blogs you read cite, then you must be reading very different blogs than I do. The ones I read are full of citations -- usually direct links to studies, etc.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:30 AM

nutrition is but one levee. I love how your perceptions twist the quilts reality. But when you dont see.....you cant see. When you do.....well i bet youre real quiet.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:26 AM

google is a glossary. you just got a glimpse of the 30 ft view of one levee. I have 30000 ft views coming. How bout you just sit back and see how it grows.......I think the concept will open your eyes when you see the design nuances fill out.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:04 AM

Can we call a spade a spade here? Comparing "discovery" of nutritional applications in The Quilt's blog to Einstein's world-altering discoveries might be a little bit of a stretch. I want to be able to read a blog without hints of "this is mind-blowing earth-shattering stuff you're not going to get anywhere else!!!". I mean yeah, tell me all about what you've learned, tell me about your patients. But not even neurosurgeons are exempt from grammar rules, and nothing will be that much more amazing than plain ol' paleo, which is pretty incredible in and of itself.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:01 AM

Can we call a spade a spade here? Comparing "discovery" of nutritional applications in The Quilt's blog to Einstein's world-altering discoveries might be a little bit of a stretch. I want to be able to read a blog without hints of "this is mind-blowing earth-shattering stuff you're not going to get anywhere else!!!". I mean yeah, tell me all about what you've learned, tell me about your patients. But not even neurosurgeons are exempt from grammar rules, and nothing will be that much more amazing that plain ol' paleo, which is pretty incredible in and of itself.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:00 AM

Can we call a spade a spade here? Comparing "discovery" of nutritional principles in The Quilt's blog to Einstein's world-altering discoveries might be a little bit of a stretch. I want to be able to read a blog without hints of "this is mind-blowing earth-shattering stuff you're not going to get anywhere else!!!". I mean yeah, tell me all about what you've learned, tell me about your patients. But not even neurosurgeons are exempt from grammar rules, and nothing will that that much more amazing that plain ol' paleo, which is pretty incredible in and of itself.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 08, 2011
at 03:07 AM

Now now, he's good at conveying the information, I just think he's got so much going in his brain, that he gets overwhelmed and rushes from point to point. It just needs polishing is all.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 08, 2011
at 03:05 AM

I like it too, and I'm not knocking your goals or your reasons for doing the blog. But just because a third grader should be able to understand it, doesn't mean it should look like a third grader wrote it doc! I kid, I kid. Seriously though, sorry for doubting you, but I'm serious when I say that your grammar and spelling should be corrected. It's the face that you wear for the world, and you want them to take you seriously.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 03:00 AM

Bottom line is that entries that are better edited represent low-hanging fruit. Great returns for understandability (even without citations) for little effort.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:59 AM

Andrew- that is not quite true. There is plain ol' bio chem, peppered with how that applies to real life people and quite a few extrapolations. Obviously no one needs citations to see what leptin is. Google/wikipedia/pubmed is great for that.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:51 AM

What that means is that your audience may very well be much smaller than otherwise because of simple editing mistakes and a slight tendency toward blanket statements. If I say something wrong, I'd gladly 'fess up (although most of my posts consist of terrible puns and not nutrition facts). But if you want to really inform people about what you've learned and what you advise for your patients, it only takes a modicum of extra effort to get an editor. The NIH forced my workplace to hire two medical editors just to increase our reporting precision...it's very important!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:49 AM

What that means is that your audience may very well be much smaller than otherwise because of simple editing mistakes and a slight tendency toward blanket statements. If I say something wrong, I'd gladly 'fess up (although most of my posts consist of terrible puns and not nutrition facts). But if you want to really inform people about what you've learned and what you advise for your patients, it only takes a modicum of extra effort to get an editor. The NIH forced my workplace two hire two medical editors just to increase our reporting precision...it's very important!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:48 AM

What that means is that your audience may very well be much smaller than otherwise because of simple editing mistakes and a slight tendency toward blanket statements. If I say something wrong, I'd gladly 'fess up (although most of my posts consist of terrible puns and not nutrition facts). But if you want to really inform people about what you've learned and what you advise for your patients, it only takes a modicum of extra effort to get an editor. The NIH forced my workplace two hire two medical editors just to increase our reportion precision...it's very important!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:45 AM

Quilt- that's the problem. Your answer for everything is "do your due diligence". I want to read your blog because of your unique position and wide knowledge. But as someone mentioned, even the very first sentence has a humorously egregious wording error. I love love love good writing, and can't bring myself to read something that is not pleasant for my eyeballs to look at. And there was a time you told me to do my due diligence and buy a specific textbook, which I happened to already own. And which did not support your point. [continued]

Medium avatar

(5136)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:41 AM

ironically, i very much understand the origins of this kind of presentation, it comes from a quick mental process on the part of the writer, but it has limits to its effectiveness in terms of helping others. Edit. Format. Edit. The web is a visual resource.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:37 AM

a less jarring color combo. the black and white, high contrast, giantor paragraphs exhausts me even before i have delved into the concepts that lay within their content. Make it easier on my eyes and therefore my brain...

Medium avatar

(5136)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:35 AM

this assesment so hits the nail on the head for me... could use paragraph indents, list formatting for list type items (like for "questions for assessing leptin status") and other visual tricks for better knowledge absorption and people who have developed styles of quicker reading. What is being presented is a giant block of information (whichis what it is of course) but it needs to be broken down into smaller blocks. Potential suggestions outside of better grammatical and paragraph formatting include a glossary (cold be very helpful to readers) and, as a highly visual learner, may I suggest

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:30 AM

Dr. K, I appreciate your blog. Thank you for getting this information out there.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:29 AM

It's standard practice in science to not cite information available in any textbook. No one deserves credit for it. It's considered general knowledge. Most of what Dr. K is spewing is plain ol' bio chem, no citations required.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:01 AM

you should be. This kinda give me some insight to people intentions. I really want to make my readers part of the process. I know the data ice cold. I need to lay it out in a format that a third grade brain can correlate as it reads the the blogs and connects it back to the quilt. It took me 30 yrs to get to the this level of knowledge and insight. I never expected to lay it out and have everyone get it in a week. I think the fact that some people are saying that here is preposterous. Im open to improvements but I am not changing my goals and WHY I am doing it. My patients love it.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 01:57 AM

miked you get it. Check out the 1905 papers of einstein. Hard to cite your thoughts on something totally new. Discovery at its core is look at something that everyone has looked at for years and making sense of it. As my quilt grows that will be a self evident story. I dont come to this lightly. It took my years of clinical medicine, reading, and seeing the effects in my clinic and in the OR. This blog is never going to make everyone happy.....and maybe i'd care more if that was my goal. My goal is to change healthcare and give patients control back over their health care.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 08, 2011
at 01:50 AM

i deleted my initial comment about comments, not for being incorrect (tho indeed i was), but for being kinda jerky.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on June 08, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Yes this was all covered in Mastering Leptin and he's the one who first recommended the book to me. Then again it is all in the literature and moreso. Mastering Leptin has some good tips and good explanations but it's like you say, there really isn't a whole lot there that will be a game-breaker (although I think Byron Richards is up on much of the good stuff these days, probably going to write some more) but Dr. Quilt lost an incredible amount of weight so I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing. Much of it is likely known to us already, but someone has to put the whole picture together.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20888)

on June 08, 2011
at 01:30 AM

I really wouldn't call it an emotional reaction to "authority", luckybastard make a good point about how listening to the authorities (e.g. the FDA and USDA recommendations) got us here. I guess what I'm trying to say (and it's hard in 500 characters) is that the lack of citations in Dr K's blog isn't a bad thing because the truths that he states (e.g. leptin controls hunger, insulin signals fat storage) are common knowledge and in any biochemistry book you pick up. What's new and unique is his own synthesis and presentation of that information which is unciteable.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 08, 2011
at 12:17 AM

(he means click on the title of individual blog posts to access comments) took me a minute..

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 08, 2011
at 12:17 AM

(he means click on the title of individual blog posts to access comments)

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 08, 2011
at 12:14 AM

well, how about that! i stand corrected! glad to see it.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 12:05 AM

Its true.....do your due diligence. Its a blog. None of the other blogs I read cite. It's our opinion. I have seen many things you say I know are not true but I dont ask you to cite things because I am capable of doing my own due diligence. I am not intellectually that lazy. A blog wont survive without integrity......no one will care how much you know if they dont know you care. If you bullshit people it sends a clear message you dont care. Grammar and spelling dont deter me from truth like it appears it does to some of you. Fine. Pareto's rule exists for a reason.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:58 PM

Ah, so it is. Ain't I red in the face. Although, when you click on "Start Here" it takes you to the original version.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:56 PM

your edit is up on one of the pages.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:54 PM

click the blog title......you are quite late to the party

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:39 PM

As I predicted, there is no comments section. "Welcome to My Blog, discussion discouraged"

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7304)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Exactly. Being intelligent and being able to convey information are *very* different things.

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:25 PM

@miked What do you think the difference between an appeal to expertise and an appeal to authority? It seems like you are having an emotional reaction to the word authority and trying to replace that word with another that in the context of this logical fallacy amounts to the same thing. Your willingness to trust does not mean that you are not relaying on authority as I understand itt.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:22 PM

He needs professional help, which is fine, MOST PEOPLE DO.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:20 PM

Much better, but still, toooo many words for a blog intro. His bio is practically book-length. Unreadable. And, under no circumstances a starting point, as the "Start Here" link would imply.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:16 PM

As doctors, our medical training in school and residency really focuses in on HOW we do things and WHAT we are trying to help you with. We spend very little time explaining WHY we do what we do for patients. This may seem trivial to you now, but it is critical to understanding why patients often get frustrated with us physicians.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:15 PM

"As doctors, our medical training in school and residency really focuses in on HOW we do things and WHAT we trying to help you with. We spend very little time explaining WHY we do what we do for patients. This may seem trivial to you now, but it is critical to understanding why patients often get frustrated with us physicians."

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:14 PM

"Greetings, my name is Jack Kruse. I am a neurosurgeon and I would like to share some ideas with you. These ideas are very important to me and I have been considering them for quite awhile now. Why do I want to share it this way, you may ask? Well, the “WHY” is the actual answer to that question! Allow me to explain."

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:14 PM

Here's the first 2 paragraphs as I edited them:

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:13 PM

That's what I edited. He didn't use it.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:03 PM

lol interwebs, totally.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 07, 2011
at 10:58 PM

If he gets an editor, a web designer, and an actionable Leptin Manifesto, I'll so be on board.

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on June 07, 2011
at 10:50 PM

I guess "expert" is a better term than "authority." It's a hard thing to evaluate expertise, it takes many years of training (generally, that's why I think a Ph.D. takes so long, it's not the work, but it's learning how to evaluate the work of others). I've done it so much now I don't think about it, so I don't know to give advise on how to judge someone's level of expertise. Generally I go by, can they explain the mechanism rather that just blindly citing other's work (the government is great at citations - they're just citation of bad research that have gotten us to where we are today).

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on June 07, 2011
at 10:27 PM

@miked not to pile on here but many of us are here because we left our well-being up to an authority before and they failed us. Im interested in anyone's thoughts who have a base level of education and experience in a particular matter but trusting them based on that authority alone is a bridge too far for many who've made that mistake befor

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on June 07, 2011
at 10:18 PM

If someone truly is an authority on a subject, then I see nothing wrong with "argument from authority" writing. That's completely different than "we're from the government and we'll tell you what's healthy" al la the choose my plate nonsense. I know we're starting to get off topic, but one thing that's lacking in the media in general is a trust of an authority. News organizations often try to present both sides of a story equally even though one person is an expert in the topic and the other is some lunatic. Now I'm not saying that's happening here, but sometimes you got to trust expertise

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on June 07, 2011
at 09:58 PM

kamal - dr kurt harris rarely cites things. he even speaks openly about why not in his blog. saying that he doesn't want to take the time to cite things.

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on June 07, 2011
at 09:36 PM

Maybe Dr. Kruse should use the Flesch–Kincaid readability test. A score of 65 makes it on the level of Reader's Digest. That would be readable for most people.

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on June 07, 2011
at 09:34 PM

never said you wouldnt learn from the guy.... but marks whole website is based around his book, which is based around money, not to mention i dont think his diet is to identical with primal fuel coupled with a bunch of supplements nor do i think he eats anything like 99% of the people who read the site.

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on June 07, 2011
at 09:27 PM

Without cites it is an argment from authority. That might be fine, but I am always suspicious of this type of argument and it is not the kind of argument I consider science.

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on June 07, 2011
at 09:09 PM

Given that he's treating patients using this approach, he already is monetizing it. Kind of like a chiropractor writing about the merits of chiropractic care. As long as you know that going in I don't think it's a huge problem.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on June 07, 2011
at 09:06 PM

And the med student who is an expert in the field caught it. Peer review is working...

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on June 07, 2011
at 09:04 PM

LOL! I actually did get a timecube vibe from some of his posts, but the difference is that while timecube is clearly gibberish, Kruse is just hard to follow at times and uses lots of technical terms. Not quite the same thing.

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:59 PM

"hear, hear, Mallory"... um yes. sort of. good points made for sure, but at the same time, I second Kamal's comments about Sisson. I really appreciate his stuff, and have learned a lot from him, for free. Also, I personally have no problem with people monetizing their field of specialty. I see nothing wrong with that, so long as they stay true to quality work/recommendations. also, you never know what the Doc's plans are. Maybe he will monetize his efforts too. I don't see that as a problem.

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:55 PM

miked- I totally disagree. Here's why. There have been at least a couple points where Quilt mis-typed on paleohacks, and a med student caught the error. How is one to know if something on his blog is based on research or if it's a conclusion that he made by himself? You don't have to cite every single thing, but at least a couple main papers would be nice.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:51 PM

miked - you are so spot on here. you articulated it perfectly.

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:48 PM

I also enjoy Mark Sisson's blog, but I think he also has a team of writers?

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:40 PM

hear, hear, Mallory !

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:39 PM

Mark Sisson writes in a very clear fashion and includes some references. I've never bought anything from him and never will, but totally enjoy his writing. Many people write about complicated things without sounding all jumble-y. For example, Stephan Guyenet, Chris Masterjohn, etc etc.

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:38 PM

In a thesis, I would expect every "fact" to be cited. But in a blog, I would expect it to be more like "you're coming to my website for my thoughts, I'm an expert in the field, I've been reading this stuff for 30 years, here's the conclusions I've come to." Often the stuff he's talking about is "accepted" biochemistry. If I were to write a chemistry thesis, I wouldn't have to cite that water is H2O. Just like he wouldn't have to cite what leptin does. It's just common knowledge in the field.

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:31 PM

The readability problem is the lack of writing skill, not lack of information. I, too, find the style obfuscating, and frankly don't have the patience for writing that isn't cogent, particularly if the content is hypothetical.

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:30 PM

I agree that the content is solid. I asked him if he'd mind if I sent him an edited copy of the front page. When he got it, he said he changed it, but I don't see my changes. Oh well, maybe he didn't want to be bothered.

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:27 PM

@milked But I am not a scientist, I do have postgraduate level coursework in biology and I am comfortable reading most journals, but I did and continue to do that sort of thing for fun. In my fields when synthesizing various points of data it is considered appropriate to give a source for each element of data you incorporate, you might claim the synthesis but the elements you are synthesizing are not yours and require attribution. Perhaps the standards are not the same in medicine?

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:23 PM

@milked I have never found that I have to exclude detail to be easy to read. I do have to be more deliberate in building up my explanations. For example if I were to explain Fee Tail and why it is abrogated in US common law I could say that it is a restraint on alienability, or I could explain the idea. Fee Tail is an old device that was used to pass land though families and was part of what created aristocracy. The key was you could not sell the land, it was basically held in trust for your heir. We don't like aristocracy, so we got rid most of the limits on selling land like Fee Tail.

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:22 PM

It really needs a good heavy edit, but I like the content a lot.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:11 PM

Also - often citations aren't possible in this kind of information synthesis. My guess is that over the last year he's been reading all kind of journal articles and piecing things together. Since he's doing the information synthesis, he IS the citation.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:09 PM

I thought it was perfectly easy to read. But, I'm a scientist, and this is the kind of writing I like. Unfortunately, if you want it to be "easy to read" you have to gloss over stuff and then you're leaving too much out and people don't get "definitive" answers. At the level he wrote, it's precise and says exactly what's going on. This is the trouble with trying to explain scientific concepts to non-scientists. You either do it precisely and alienate your audience, or you make it simple and don't say things right. Unfortunately sometimes you have to expect a certain level of background.

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on June 07, 2011
at 07:52 PM

+1 for the well reasoned answer with a balanced perspective.

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on June 07, 2011
at 07:42 PM

@Kent Thanks, I was starting to wonder if I was uniquely obtuse. :)

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on June 07, 2011
at 07:31 PM

Yeah, the second post (I guess the first 'real' post, after the introduction) put me to sleep. Granted, I've got two young children (an infant and a toddler) and a pretty hectic schedule and therefore not enough sleep, but I digress.

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on June 07, 2011
at 07:19 PM

For example I found this paper http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/suppl_1/S130.full on uncoupling proteins taken from a symposium publication much easier to understand than the blog post covering the same thing. When an blog is less clear than a journal publication to a lay reader.. well something seems amiss to me.

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on June 07, 2011
at 07:16 PM

+1 for the pic! ;)

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on June 10, 2011
at 12:24 AM

Jack Kronk makes some excellent points and my post below has been weighing on me all day so I wanted to say something about it. First I want to publicly apologize to Jack Kruse. I am not a "pile on" kind of person and that's what I did. In a moment of serious frustration I chose to pile on top and for that I apologize.

The thing is I want so much for Jack to be successful. Anyone who has anything to say about leptin is ok in my book. It's a subject that gets far too little attention. I think Jack has the potential to contribute enormously to this community and I want so much for that to happen both for him and for all of us. I am on his side.

I wanted to email the good doc privately to apologize and explain my frustration in the form of some constructive criticism but could not find a way to do that. Of course I share same the frustration as many here with "communication style" shall we say? I'm no doctor but my degrees in biochemistry generally make me able to understand even slightly advanced biology yet I almost never understand a single word he says. I catch glimpses of stuff that seems good but in the end I can't seem to make sense of it. I walk away shaking myself from side to side when I want to walk away with my head going up and down. I do believe he has some good stuff to share but he needs to learn how to hone his message and communicate it more effectively. Those are things that can be worked on and I hope that he will do that.

The other issue is that I see him going off on tangents or sticking his head in where it doesn't belong (for lack of better words.) If you want credibility you need to stop taking cheap shots at celebs, stop talking about your personal politic beliefs and stop talking about highly controversial subjects like the HCG diet. Yeah freedom of speech is great but when you are trying to brand yourself and you have positioned yourself as the "leptin guy", a niche that desperately needs to be filled, then you need to have LASER focus on that subject and stay on message. This message, Jack's message, is too important to be lost by offending, misleading, half-truthing, or just plain leaving people scratching their heads wondering "what did he just say" or "who the hell is this guy anyway". I think he knows a lot about a lot but clearly not marketing and branding. He needs some help there and I dearly hope he gets it.

Again this post is probably not entirely appropriate but I appreciate being able to speak my peace. I do think that as a long-time contributing member of PH Jack has earned the right to a certain degree of respect. I also think that given his medical degree and apparent knowledge on a subject few are talking about he carries with him HUGE responsibility to all of us in the paleo community to get this flight from obscurity into the limelight right. I think we should all support him on getting it right. Sometimes that will be in the form of high-fives and pats on the back and sometimes it will be in the form of constructive criticism. Both can be forms of support if they are given and received that way.

So here's to you Jack Kruse! You have a lot of people pulling for you and I am most certainly one of them.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on June 10, 2011
at 01:11 AM

that is one of the most awesome, well rounded answers i've ever seen on paleohacks. and it's not because you mention me. it's because of your delivery. you've schooled us all here with a great lesson on how to deliver a message. bravo, shari. bravo.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on June 10, 2011
at 02:57 AM

That was extremely kind and well written! It definitely spurs me to make fun of The Quilt in a more positive manner.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on June 10, 2011
at 01:15 AM

Shari, I love everything you say, you always keep it so posi! Your pile-on post honestly surprised me. Of course i up-voted it, but I did hesitate for a second. The pile-on made me uncomfortable too. Even though I think Dr Quilt's an egomaniac, and it's been fun to have a laugh at his expense, I heartily agree with everything you say here. For me, the bottom line is, that "it takes all kinds", as they say. I mean, I might think the Dr is an asshole, but so what? We're all doing the best we can. I *do* hope he can get his thing worked out (and I'm also glad he may be spending less time here).

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on June 10, 2011
at 04:13 AM

That is hilarious Kamal. Thanks for the much needed bit of levity.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 08, 2011
at 08:37 PM

_"If you want credibility you need to stop taking cheap shots at celebs, stop talking about your personal politic beliefs and stop talking about highly controversial subjects like the HCG diet"_ This is BS. The man has every right to behave whatever he wants and that doesn't change his credibility in eyes of people who know the stuff. Only those who are concentrated on trivia and/or have some other kind of personal frustrations can not accept deviance of a mainstream. I like Quilt for who he is, because he doesn't pretend to be what he is obviously not - a boring mainstream doctor.

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4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on June 07, 2011
at 07:55 PM

I think he needs an editor. Density of topic is one thing, difficult to follow sentence structure and grammar are another.

But aside from that, I think it's great to have another doctor on board, especially one with the strength of opinion and resolve to blog prolifically about what they believe. His Quilt concept is a pretty unique contribution to the blogosphere. It is quite dense at times, but it's also a very interesting attempt to try to "tie it all together" at a very precise level - something that just about everyone else has either failed at or not even attempted. So he deserves major props for putting it out there.

I hope he continues to flesh things out and make his case. It'll be interesting reading along the way.

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on June 08, 2011
at 02:35 AM

this assesment so hits the nail on the head for me... could use paragraph indents, list formatting for list type items (like for "questions for assessing leptin status") and other visual tricks for better knowledge absorption and people who have developed styles of quicker reading. What is being presented is a giant block of information (whichis what it is of course) but it needs to be broken down into smaller blocks. Potential suggestions outside of better grammatical and paragraph formatting include a glossary (cold be very helpful to readers) and, as a highly visual learner, may I suggest

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(5136)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:37 AM

a less jarring color combo. the black and white, high contrast, giantor paragraphs exhausts me even before i have delved into the concepts that lay within their content. Make it easier on my eyes and therefore my brain...

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(5136)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:41 AM

ironically, i very much understand the origins of this kind of presentation, it comes from a quick mental process on the part of the writer, but it has limits to its effectiveness in terms of helping others. Edit. Format. Edit. The web is a visual resource.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:17 PM

Levees and quilts? Holy hell, we're getting into Dune territory here. This is hilarious.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:26 AM

google is a glossary. you just got a glimpse of the 30 ft view of one levee. I have 30000 ft views coming. How bout you just sit back and see how it grows.......I think the concept will open your eyes when you see the design nuances fill out.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

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on June 09, 2011
at 04:03 AM

The quilt must flow.. over the levees?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on June 10, 2011
at 12:49 AM

@Patrik- fwiw, I'd like to say that the only reason I'm here is because this site so appealing to me visually/format-wise -- more than any other forum I've seen (ever?) - tho admittedly I'm not much of a forum-lurker. O'course it's the incredibly smart, entertaining people that participate that have kept me coming back. Style w/ substance! So yeah, kudos on the design aspect; I lovelovelove it, and I would really not be here without it.

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on June 09, 2011
at 05:13 PM

I tried telling The Quilt that he should re-do his blog format -- but he didn't like what I had to say.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 10, 2011
at 03:40 AM

Or, conversley, repelled. Ahem.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 03:05 AM

I attempted to get my workplace to use one of the stackexchange clones to brainstorm ideas. Sufficed to say, most people are not open to new ideas, even if they are visually pleasing and simple to use.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on June 10, 2011
at 03:38 AM

the stackexchange way is pure genius, but in particular i find the browns and oranges and all the fonts and whatnot of everything here at PH super tasteful and appealing. Even the PaleoHacks font has juuust enough of a flintstone vibe, without being corny. Uhh, so yeah, I can really dork out on details/design.

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on June 10, 2011
at 07:15 PM

I love this design. I've barely stuck my toe in the water in other forum style sites (on different subject matter) -- but all of the icons, bling, points, kitschy awards, and rank designations completely befuddled me. PaleoHacks = sleekly minimalist yet fun, while not distracting from content.

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1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

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on June 07, 2011
at 06:58 PM

Honestly I find it hard to read and wish he would find a collaborator to actually explain things for him.

I also wish he would include cites.

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on June 07, 2011
at 10:18 PM

If someone truly is an authority on a subject, then I see nothing wrong with "argument from authority" writing. That's completely different than "we're from the government and we'll tell you what's healthy" al la the choose my plate nonsense. I know we're starting to get off topic, but one thing that's lacking in the media in general is a trust of an authority. News organizations often try to present both sides of a story equally even though one person is an expert in the topic and the other is some lunatic. Now I'm not saying that's happening here, but sometimes you got to trust expertise

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

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on June 07, 2011
at 11:25 PM

@miked What do you think the difference between an appeal to expertise and an appeal to authority? It seems like you are having an emotional reaction to the word authority and trying to replace that word with another that in the context of this logical fallacy amounts to the same thing. Your willingness to trust does not mean that you are not relaying on authority as I understand itt.

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 07, 2011
at 09:27 PM

Without cites it is an argment from authority. That might be fine, but I am always suspicious of this type of argument and it is not the kind of argument I consider science.

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:27 PM

@milked But I am not a scientist, I do have postgraduate level coursework in biology and I am comfortable reading most journals, but I did and continue to do that sort of thing for fun. In my fields when synthesizing various points of data it is considered appropriate to give a source for each element of data you incorporate, you might claim the synthesis but the elements you are synthesizing are not yours and require attribution. Perhaps the standards are not the same in medicine?

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on June 07, 2011
at 10:27 PM

@miked not to pile on here but many of us are here because we left our well-being up to an authority before and they failed us. Im interested in anyone's thoughts who have a base level of education and experience in a particular matter but trusting them based on that authority alone is a bridge too far for many who've made that mistake befor

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 07, 2011
at 07:19 PM

For example I found this paper http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/suppl_1/S130.full on uncoupling proteins taken from a symposium publication much easier to understand than the blog post covering the same thing. When an blog is less clear than a journal publication to a lay reader.. well something seems amiss to me.

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(18706)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:31 PM

The readability problem is the lack of writing skill, not lack of information. I, too, find the style obfuscating, and frankly don't have the patience for writing that isn't cogent, particularly if the content is hypothetical.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:30 AM

nutrition is but one levee. I love how your perceptions twist the quilts reality. But when you dont see.....you cant see. When you do.....well i bet youre real quiet.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:11 PM

Also - often citations aren't possible in this kind of information synthesis. My guess is that over the last year he's been reading all kind of journal articles and piecing things together. Since he's doing the information synthesis, he IS the citation.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20888)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:09 PM

I thought it was perfectly easy to read. But, I'm a scientist, and this is the kind of writing I like. Unfortunately, if you want it to be "easy to read" you have to gloss over stuff and then you're leaving too much out and people don't get "definitive" answers. At the level he wrote, it's precise and says exactly what's going on. This is the trouble with trying to explain scientific concepts to non-scientists. You either do it precisely and alienate your audience, or you make it simple and don't say things right. Unfortunately sometimes you have to expect a certain level of background.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20888)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:38 PM

In a thesis, I would expect every "fact" to be cited. But in a blog, I would expect it to be more like "you're coming to my website for my thoughts, I'm an expert in the field, I've been reading this stuff for 30 years, here's the conclusions I've come to." Often the stuff he's talking about is "accepted" biochemistry. If I were to write a chemistry thesis, I wouldn't have to cite that water is H2O. Just like he wouldn't have to cite what leptin does. It's just common knowledge in the field.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:55 PM

miked- I totally disagree. Here's why. There have been at least a couple points where Quilt mis-typed on paleohacks, and a med student caught the error. How is one to know if something on his blog is based on research or if it's a conclusion that he made by himself? You don't have to cite every single thing, but at least a couple main papers would be nice.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20888)

on June 07, 2011
at 09:06 PM

And the med student who is an expert in the field caught it. Peer review is working...

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:29 AM

It's standard practice in science to not cite information available in any textbook. No one deserves credit for it. It's considered general knowledge. Most of what Dr. K is spewing is plain ol' bio chem, no citations required.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

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on June 07, 2011
at 07:31 PM

Yeah, the second post (I guess the first 'real' post, after the introduction) put me to sleep. Granted, I've got two young children (an infant and a toddler) and a pretty hectic schedule and therefore not enough sleep, but I digress.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:51 PM

miked - you are so spot on here. you articulated it perfectly.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 01:57 AM

miked you get it. Check out the 1905 papers of einstein. Hard to cite your thoughts on something totally new. Discovery at its core is look at something that everyone has looked at for years and making sense of it. As my quilt grows that will be a self evident story. I dont come to this lightly. It took my years of clinical medicine, reading, and seeing the effects in my clinic and in the OR. This blog is never going to make everyone happy.....and maybe i'd care more if that was my goal. My goal is to change healthcare and give patients control back over their health care.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:59 AM

Andrew- that is not quite true. There is plain ol' bio chem, peppered with how that applies to real life people and quite a few extrapolations. Obviously no one needs citations to see what leptin is. Google/wikipedia/pubmed is great for that.

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 07, 2011
at 07:42 PM

@Kent Thanks, I was starting to wonder if I was uniquely obtuse. :)

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20888)

on June 08, 2011
at 01:30 AM

I really wouldn't call it an emotional reaction to "authority", luckybastard make a good point about how listening to the authorities (e.g. the FDA and USDA recommendations) got us here. I guess what I'm trying to say (and it's hard in 500 characters) is that the lack of citations in Dr K's blog isn't a bad thing because the truths that he states (e.g. leptin controls hunger, insulin signals fat storage) are common knowledge and in any biochemistry book you pick up. What's new and unique is his own synthesis and presentation of that information which is unciteable.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 07, 2011
at 09:58 PM

kamal - dr kurt harris rarely cites things. he even speaks openly about why not in his blog. saying that he doesn't want to take the time to cite things.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20888)

on June 07, 2011
at 10:50 PM

I guess "expert" is a better term than "authority." It's a hard thing to evaluate expertise, it takes many years of training (generally, that's why I think a Ph.D. takes so long, it's not the work, but it's learning how to evaluate the work of others). I've done it so much now I don't think about it, so I don't know to give advise on how to judge someone's level of expertise. Generally I go by, can they explain the mechanism rather that just blindly citing other's work (the government is great at citations - they're just citation of bad research that have gotten us to where we are today).

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:23 PM

@milked I have never found that I have to exclude detail to be easy to read. I do have to be more deliberate in building up my explanations. For example if I were to explain Fee Tail and why it is abrogated in US common law I could say that it is a restraint on alienability, or I could explain the idea. Fee Tail is an old device that was used to pass land though families and was part of what created aristocracy. The key was you could not sell the land, it was basically held in trust for your heir. We don't like aristocracy, so we got rid most of the limits on selling land like Fee Tail.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:00 AM

Can we call a spade a spade here? Comparing "discovery" of nutritional principles in The Quilt's blog to Einstein's world-altering discoveries might be a little bit of a stretch. I want to be able to read a blog without hints of "this is mind-blowing earth-shattering stuff you're not going to get anywhere else!!!". I mean yeah, tell me all about what you've learned, tell me about your patients. But not even neurosurgeons are exempt from grammar rules, and nothing will that that much more amazing that plain ol' paleo, which is pretty incredible in and of itself.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:01 AM

Can we call a spade a spade here? Comparing "discovery" of nutritional applications in The Quilt's blog to Einstein's world-altering discoveries might be a little bit of a stretch. I want to be able to read a blog without hints of "this is mind-blowing earth-shattering stuff you're not going to get anywhere else!!!". I mean yeah, tell me all about what you've learned, tell me about your patients. But not even neurosurgeons are exempt from grammar rules, and nothing will be that much more amazing that plain ol' paleo, which is pretty incredible in and of itself.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Nice haiku. Too many words though :)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:04 AM

Can we call a spade a spade here? Comparing "discovery" of nutritional applications in The Quilt's blog to Einstein's world-altering discoveries might be a little bit of a stretch. I want to be able to read a blog without hints of "this is mind-blowing earth-shattering stuff you're not going to get anywhere else!!!". I mean yeah, tell me all about what you've learned, tell me about your patients. But not even neurosurgeons are exempt from grammar rules, and nothing will be that much more amazing than plain ol' paleo, which is pretty incredible in and of itself.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:24 PM

I really can't believe how off-the-wall just straight goofy this quilt nonsense is. Any one not thoroughly into this site, were they to reAd this stuff, would just laugh us right out of the room. Einstein? Good grief, dr.K, come back down to earth and hang with the rest of us. You're a surgeon who lost weight, read a bunch about leptin.

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on June 09, 2011
at 04:04 AM

who-here-is-excited-to-read-jack-kruse's-blog?-dr.-k.-is-delivering-as-promised.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on June 09, 2011
at 07:04 PM

OMG, that's so appropriate.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 09, 2011
at 01:48 PM

/o/\o\ High five for you Shari!

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21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:33 PM

--EDIT--

I was moderately excited to read his blog last week. After reading it, the excitement was dampened. Now, there is no way I'll read it unless I want a laugh. Go to Jack Kronk's answer below and read the comments. The Quilt makes stuff up and exaggerates without skipping a beat, and we shouldn't have to just lay back and accept it just because he's a paleo neurosurgeon. Help people, great. Use half-truths and skewed evidence to get there? Too much like Ancel Keys for this skeptic. Please don't take this as a personal attack, it is solely based on the accuracy of content and the manner in which it is conveyed.


I also wish there were sources. For example, is this really true?

"With exercise Oprah tires quickly and her muscles fatigue faster than Robb???s. WHY? She cannot utilize the fuel."

I'm no physician, and have a paltry knowledge of physiology, but isn't the respiratory system the initial bottleneck for sustained exercise in obese people? Please correct me if I'm wrong or overlooking something. I just have a hard time seeing Oprah's fuel metabolism problems stopping her before her being-out-of-breath problems.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:51 AM

What that means is that your audience may very well be much smaller than otherwise because of simple editing mistakes and a slight tendency toward blanket statements. If I say something wrong, I'd gladly 'fess up (although most of my posts consist of terrible puns and not nutrition facts). But if you want to really inform people about what you've learned and what you advise for your patients, it only takes a modicum of extra effort to get an editor. The NIH forced my workplace to hire two medical editors just to increase our reporting precision...it's very important!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:45 AM

Quilt- that's the problem. Your answer for everything is "do your due diligence". I want to read your blog because of your unique position and wide knowledge. But as someone mentioned, even the very first sentence has a humorously egregious wording error. I love love love good writing, and can't bring myself to read something that is not pleasant for my eyeballs to look at. And there was a time you told me to do my due diligence and buy a specific textbook, which I happened to already own. And which did not support your point. [continued]

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 12:05 AM

Its true.....do your due diligence. Its a blog. None of the other blogs I read cite. It's our opinion. I have seen many things you say I know are not true but I dont ask you to cite things because I am capable of doing my own due diligence. I am not intellectually that lazy. A blog wont survive without integrity......no one will care how much you know if they dont know you care. If you bullshit people it sends a clear message you dont care. Grammar and spelling dont deter me from truth like it appears it does to some of you. Fine. Pareto's rule exists for a reason.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:49 AM

What that means is that your audience may very well be much smaller than otherwise because of simple editing mistakes and a slight tendency toward blanket statements. If I say something wrong, I'd gladly 'fess up (although most of my posts consist of terrible puns and not nutrition facts). But if you want to really inform people about what you've learned and what you advise for your patients, it only takes a modicum of extra effort to get an editor. The NIH forced my workplace two hire two medical editors just to increase our reporting precision...it's very important!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 03:00 AM

Bottom line is that entries that are better edited represent low-hanging fruit. Great returns for understandability (even without citations) for little effort.

8c5533ffe71bd4262fedc7e898ead1ba

(1724)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:44 AM

If none of the other blogs you read cite, then you must be reading very different blogs than I do. The ones I read are full of citations -- usually direct links to studies, etc.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:22 PM

The writing is silly. The poor grammar, etc make it such that unfortunately the blog can not legitimately be used in educating people. If you try sending a clear-thinking, patient, contemplative person to his blog you'll get laughed at. That's unfortunate. By the way, conversely, I've always appreciated Harris' contributions for essentially the opposite.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:48 AM

What that means is that your audience may very well be much smaller than otherwise because of simple editing mistakes and a slight tendency toward blanket statements. If I say something wrong, I'd gladly 'fess up (although most of my posts consist of terrible puns and not nutrition facts). But if you want to really inform people about what you've learned and what you advise for your patients, it only takes a modicum of extra effort to get an editor. The NIH forced my workplace two hire two medical editors just to increase our reportion precision...it's very important!

1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:10 AM

The only blogs I read that don't involve cites are about people's personal lives, or their religious lives. This question has been useful to me because I am starting to feel like this is a matter of faith rather than fact for some people. The pattern feels like one of belief, a claim of revelation, claims that unbelievers just don't see and a certain flavor of extremism that feels fundamentalist. I don't knock faith, I have it myself. However, I don't want to believe in what I eat. I want that to be supported by either reasonable science or personal indulgence.

12
26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on June 07, 2011
at 09:23 PM

He reads like a wing-nut but I'm ready to be convinced otherwise.

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7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:35 AM

I have to agree with a lot of the previous posters. Honestly, his writing is verging on incomprehensible. There are no citations and he appears to have made a good portion of the material up, stating his opinion as if it's fact. Some of his conjecture is interesting but I don't like the overconfidence of his approach. And what I have managed to make out from his confusing, jumbled writing doesn't seem that controversial or groundbreaking to me. I feel like this is some weird paleo version of the emperor has no clothes. With so many other great paleo bloggers out there who are not only intelligent but extremely articulate (Kurt Harris, Chris Masterjohn, etc.) I don't understand the appeal of all this bizarre quilt/levee/"you will see the truth' stuff. He sounds like a total nutjob. I agree with the poster who said he needs to come back down to earth. Or at least hire a very good editor. One who will ban him from using the ellipsis even one more time.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:49 PM

thats right kamal. good for you for standing up for the stream-of-consciousness Palins of the world:)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:52 AM

Hey, can you stop being so concise and insightful please? Although you and me and everyone we know may think this way, some readers will find a a certain je ne sais quoi with those that promise to deliver the real ultimate secret.

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559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 07, 2011
at 10:57 PM

Aesthetically speaking, the site is kind of an abomination.. but I could get around that if the text were engaging.

No doubt the man is a smart cookie; whether he's able to efficiently convey useful information to those that are looking for it is def up for debate.

And really, is there any excuse for grammatical errors in your INTRODUCTORY SENTENCE? C'mon now. "My name is Jack Kruse and I am a neurosurgeon would like share with you some ideas that I have been thinking deeply about for some time."

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7304)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Exactly. Being intelligent and being able to convey information are *very* different things.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:15 PM

"As doctors, our medical training in school and residency really focuses in on HOW we do things and WHAT we trying to help you with. We spend very little time explaining WHY we do what we do for patients. This may seem trivial to you now, but it is critical to understanding why patients often get frustrated with us physicians."

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:20 PM

Much better, but still, toooo many words for a blog intro. His bio is practically book-length. Unreadable. And, under no circumstances a starting point, as the "Start Here" link would imply.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:13 PM

That's what I edited. He didn't use it.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:16 PM

As doctors, our medical training in school and residency really focuses in on HOW we do things and WHAT we are trying to help you with. We spend very little time explaining WHY we do what we do for patients. This may seem trivial to you now, but it is critical to understanding why patients often get frustrated with us physicians.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 07, 2011
at 10:58 PM

If he gets an editor, a web designer, and an actionable Leptin Manifesto, I'll so be on board.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:14 PM

Here's the first 2 paragraphs as I edited them:

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:22 PM

He needs professional help, which is fine, MOST PEOPLE DO.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:14 PM

"Greetings, my name is Jack Kruse. I am a neurosurgeon and I would like to share some ideas with you. These ideas are very important to me and I have been considering them for quite awhile now. Why do I want to share it this way, you may ask? Well, the “WHY” is the actual answer to that question! Allow me to explain."

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 08, 2011
at 03:07 AM

Now now, he's good at conveying the information, I just think he's got so much going in his brain, that he gets overwhelmed and rushes from point to point. It just needs polishing is all.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:53 PM

^^^^^ totes. it's not like i could send my mom there. coming from here, i have a bit of framework for understanding his mission/point, and a curiosity --- i feel like anyone else would just close the window after 20 seconds.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 08, 2011
at 10:32 PM

O, teh innerwebs.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:06 PM

In other words, terrible writer.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7304)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Futureboy, I have to disagree. It's a bit like reading gibberish, albeit scientific gibberish peppered with fancy terms. That is not effective conveyance of information.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 09, 2011
at 06:06 PM

what i mean is i had enough curiosity to poke around there for more than 20 seconds because i 'know' Dr Kwilt from PH. He'll need to clarify/focus his theme/point in addition to improved editing/formatting/design to get any readership from the gen public.

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Medium avatar

on June 07, 2011
at 08:06 PM

I like it. But I tried to edit it for him.

I went so far as actually sending him an edited copy of the opening page. Good edits too. Fixed grammar, spelling, etc. He said he would use it.

He didn't. Oh well. I would read it, but it's written in a way that I won't. It's a shame too because he deserves to be heard by intelligent people, and I respect his work. Left the way it is however, it just reads like the "interwebs."

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:03 PM

lol interwebs, totally.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:30 PM

I agree that the content is solid. I asked him if he'd mind if I sent him an edited copy of the front page. When he got it, he said he changed it, but I don't see my changes. Oh well, maybe he didn't want to be bothered.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:58 PM

Ah, so it is. Ain't I red in the face. Although, when you click on "Start Here" it takes you to the original version.

6c6d5df2d6a878911254b9721e4d217b

(40)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:22 PM

It really needs a good heavy edit, but I like the content a lot.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 02:01 AM

you should be. This kinda give me some insight to people intentions. I really want to make my readers part of the process. I know the data ice cold. I need to lay it out in a format that a third grade brain can correlate as it reads the the blogs and connects it back to the quilt. It took me 30 yrs to get to the this level of knowledge and insight. I never expected to lay it out and have everyone get it in a week. I think the fact that some people are saying that here is preposterous. Im open to improvements but I am not changing my goals and WHY I am doing it. My patients love it.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:56 PM

your edit is up on one of the pages.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 08, 2011
at 03:05 AM

I like it too, and I'm not knocking your goals or your reasons for doing the blog. But just because a third grader should be able to understand it, doesn't mean it should look like a third grader wrote it doc! I kid, I kid. Seriously though, sorry for doubting you, but I'm serious when I say that your grammar and spelling should be corrected. It's the face that you wear for the world, and you want them to take you seriously.

7
0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on June 07, 2011
at 10:30 PM

Most of the basics of what he has put up so far does not seem that controverisal.

Cellular homeostasis good.

Leptin resistance is bad.

Inflammation bad.

Healthy immune system good.

To many free radicals bad and so on.

As others have said some sources would be nice. While many of the points are well known the basics of the science behind them are far from settled with a great deal of research and discussion ongoing. Presenting issues like leptin resistance as if is fully understood is problematic.

What I am more interested to see is whether he has any new effective methods for solving all these problems. If he has developed a lifestyle and way of eating that can be proven to optimise all of these or has pulled together everything currently known into something that works I will be impressed.

So far his recommendations for leptin resistance and fibromyalgia are the same as those given in the book Mastering Leptin published in 2002, which as it is one of the few books on leptin and health I expect he has read. If your recommendations and theories come from a published book or paper it is polite to say so rather than implying they are your own.

I only hope he does not end up baffling with to much information and creating more confusion.

The bit about Geopathic stressors and Quantum biology made me smile :)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:01 PM

Bingo Stabby....

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on June 08, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Yes this was all covered in Mastering Leptin and he's the one who first recommended the book to me. Then again it is all in the literature and moreso. Mastering Leptin has some good tips and good explanations but it's like you say, there really isn't a whole lot there that will be a game-breaker (although I think Byron Richards is up on much of the good stuff these days, probably going to write some more) but Dr. Quilt lost an incredible amount of weight so I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing. Much of it is likely known to us already, but someone has to put the whole picture together.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on June 09, 2011
at 02:29 PM

The word quantam seems to be, more often than not, a big red flag for "serious woo ahead".

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:10 PM

Think you summed it up quite well, Matthew. Quilt just rambles on and on about leptin leptin leptin, as if we've never heard of it. All theorizing with no sources etc. One man's passion overcoming his ability and actual knowledge

64c9261eb27ec9d841a5ace87973b907

(70)

on June 27, 2011
at 02:41 PM

Ever think maybe he is trying to inform folks like ME, just starting to take back their lives & get healthy! Not all people on here know what to do, or how to fix the leptin problems we have. Seems to be alot of downing on the Quilt, he is just trying to arm, unimformed folks on how to become healthy. Sorry, just dont understand why so much negativity towards him. He may not be a "people person" BUT he is a GREAT doctor.

5
41efca928dffd347713d0bd486e95669

on June 08, 2011
at 06:50 PM

I was willing to be convinced, but disappointed to find in 3 articles about leptin not a single pointer to any actual piece of evidence backing up the claim that, for example, leptin is the master hormone and in particular dominates insulin. I didn't notice any in the Quilt, either.

If it is a proved fact, as Dr Kruse seems to claim, then there should be plenty of published sources, you would have thought. Gary Taubes wrote a 600 page book (GC, BC) in 2007, with pages and pages of references, and there is only one reference to leptin in the prologue. In WWGF, it does not even appear in the index. Now Gary has his critics true enough, but if the story on leptin were that clear, wouldn't he at least have mentioned it, if only to disagree with it?

I think that Dr Kruse says a lot of valuable things, and I think he is trying to do good work, but I'm afraid that as far as I am concerned, he has not made the case for leptin, or leptin-resistance.

If what he says proves to be well-founded, then he will be the biggest thing since, well, Gary Taubes. But so far, while I may be intrigued, I am not convinced.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:38 PM

I actually have googled it and found a lot of varying information.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:03 PM

there are thousands......use a google button.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:04 PM

its only your health that is at risk after all.......

5
1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

(2231)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:35 PM

man yall are critical. i think his opening a blog is going to seriously change SO MANY PEOPLE's lives.

first, he offers raw advice taken from years of experience second, he aint gonna just tell you 'do this and that and follow this dietary guiedline' junk third, he is going to explain to you HOW to get your doctor to help you and how to go about it

fourth, hes got experience and an open attitude, his writing will eventually connect the dots and a lightbulb will go off so you UNDERSTAND what is going on and why, hence 'the quilt'

last, HE IS WILLING TO SHARE IT WITH THE world with his goal being of helping other doctors and people help their patients and themselves...really, who is out to do that with such amazing selflessness. not mark sisson, hes worried about selling a book. not robb wolf, hes worried about crossfit and fing O3's....not 99% of bloggers out there

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:40 PM

hear, hear, Mallory !

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on June 07, 2011
at 09:09 PM

Given that he's treating patients using this approach, he already is monetizing it. Kind of like a chiropractor writing about the merits of chiropractic care. As long as you know that going in I don't think it's a huge problem.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:39 PM

Mark Sisson writes in a very clear fashion and includes some references. I've never bought anything from him and never will, but totally enjoy his writing. Many people write about complicated things without sounding all jumble-y. For example, Stephan Guyenet, Chris Masterjohn, etc etc.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:59 PM

"hear, hear, Mallory"... um yes. sort of. good points made for sure, but at the same time, I second Kamal's comments about Sisson. I really appreciate his stuff, and have learned a lot from him, for free. Also, I personally have no problem with people monetizing their field of specialty. I see nothing wrong with that, so long as they stay true to quality work/recommendations. also, you never know what the Doc's plans are. Maybe he will monetize his efforts too. I don't see that as a problem.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:48 PM

I also enjoy Mark Sisson's blog, but I think he also has a team of writers?

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

(2231)

on June 07, 2011
at 09:34 PM

never said you wouldnt learn from the guy.... but marks whole website is based around his book, which is based around money, not to mention i dont think his diet is to identical with primal fuel coupled with a bunch of supplements nor do i think he eats anything like 99% of the people who read the site.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:14 PM

It's a plain old false dichotomy to say sisson's, or anyone else's, words and advice is no legit merely because they are also selling something. Everyone has vested interests in everything thy do for one, not merely fiscally. And all Sisson's stuff is spot-on, whether he makes money putting it ALSO in book format or not. Quilt been saying this for a while now: I'm a better source cuz I got nothing to sell. Too bad it also "allows" him to not fully cite or reference anything.

4ae65e9a9abceabe4d2f6e2ccd810122

(50)

on October 08, 2011
at 08:15 PM

Dr. Kruse is one of the few to have strong opinions while other Paleo bloggers sit on the fence or change their mind every few months.

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:02 PM

Ok I must now chime in here. I think a lot of you are being ridiculous.

What happened to a balanced perspective? I'm seeing more cutthroat 'let's eat this guy alive' type responses. Do I think the Doc needs to be defended? No. He doesn't seem very weak kneed to me. But he's still a person. He's still someone that is taking a huge chunk of his time sorting out some very advanced inner workings about human biology.

The dude is putting his knowledge down on his own blog. Last I checked, there is no subscription fee for the info. Is this not exactly what Dr Harris does? What in the world is going on with all this complaining and criticism about color choices and background texture and fonts and grammar. Good grief. I don't hardly care at all about that stuff. I care about life and good health. I appreciate people and I respect people who are willing to do something instead of being a lazy slug.

If anyone here thinks this a blanket post supporting everything the Doc writes, you missed it.

What I am saying is that I see a lot of unnecessary criticism going on over nearly unimportant things. Should Doc use a spellchecker? Sure. I think so. Should he have someone proofing his posts. Yes probably, since he doesn't seem to possess the same writing skills as Chris Masterjohn or whatever. Ok fine. But you all are acting like he murdered your family or something. When Dr Harris put up his post about the fat of wild animals (the one with the graffic pic of the innards), he had all kinds of grammar mistakes. I kindly sent him an email (instead of a comment) and pointed out about 5 mistakes, and then praised his work. He kindly responded saying "Thanks" and that he had written it on the fly and didn't have time to look it over before posting. He corrected the errors and that was that.

Some key thoughts to consider:

  • Dr K. has been actively posting on PaleoHacks for quite some time now, and is very knowledgeable on what Paleo is and isn't, and it seems that for the most part, he's on our "team" or whatever.
  • He spouted off for months about creating a blog. Lots and lots of PaleoHackers encouraged him to go for it, while simultaneously taunting him that he's a fake, a phony, not a real Doc. "How can a real Doctor have the time to post on PaleoHacks?" Now who's looking silly?
  • He put up his testimony for all to see, including pictures.
  • He built a webpage that I'd say looks pretty good (better than my webpage - oh wait, I don't have one)
  • He is hammering out blog posts covering some very in depth stuff and answering his commenters.
  • In general, he seems to be trying to help people, both in person and over the internet.
  • If his listed qualifications are true, then he has an extensive background and is as qualified to put out material as anyone else, including Guyenet, Masterjohn, Harris, Kresser, etc...

What am I really saying with all this? Well, y'all can do whatever you want. I don't have a problem with critique and questions and jammin him up a bit. He wants that anyway. But I'm not feeling this whole mess that I see here in these comments.

Dr K. appears to be trying to help the medical community. Before we roast him alive with criticism, let's give him a chance to prove himself. More than just a few days.

EDIT: In review, I did not like my own tone in my answer above, and felt a bit hypocritical. I still stand by my intended message, but I have turned down the fire a wee bit in the name of preserving my own reputation and my fellow paleohackers' perception of me.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:39 PM

Jack- To some extent, I agree. He appears open to improving his writing and listening to readers. But there are just so many things that grind my gears. If you say that something is wrong, his response is that you should read some biochem or do your due diligence. He has clearly made claims on paleohacks that are flat out wrong. The only way to catch them is if you are a med student or happened to have experience in that area.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Maybe the reason Guyenet/Harris/Masterjohn don't really post much here is that they spend time doing stuff, and their writing speaks for itself. On the one hand, it is really awesome that The Quilt is a neurosurgeon. I mean, how cool is it having a paleo neurosurgeon doing research for you to tie stuff together? Who actually likes doing this? On the other hand, if he's posting on paleohacks all day, you gotta feel bad for his patients.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:07 PM

The question was asked Jack "Are you excited..." people answered. Are you saying that if they weren't going to say something nice, they should have answered? People are entitled to their opinion.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:29 PM

yep. and i'm responding to 'people's answers'. my answer here is my opinion, same as the other answers. I am totally fine with critique. It's very important. But just because he's got Doc next to his name doesn't mean that trashing his work is the right approach. I'm not feeling it. I did ask for people's responses, good and bad, positive and negative. But if someone came on here and said "I hate this guy. F*&* you Dr K., and STFU Jack Kronk".. do you think that it would be a welcomed comment? Or perhaps we'd all call foul on it, saying it's innapropriate, even though it's their "opinion".

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:48 PM

I always (kinda) agree with you, Kronky!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:41 PM

Yesterday, I saw a claim he made about mindfulness reducing cancer recurrence by 56%. Luckily, I had an internship at the biggest mindfulness research center in the country a few years ago, and knew he was wrong. But who is going to do "due diligence" just to make sure that someone isn't making stuff up? That's the crux of the issue...he has a lot to offer, but it is mixed up with him trying to overstate claims and make a unified theory. When you mix in not-so-great writing skills, it will turn people off before they give him a chance.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:35 PM

Jack, no one said "I hate this guy. F*&* you Dr. K. and STFU Jack Kronk". If they did the comment/post should be flagged and deleted. I think everyone that responded explained their response in civil and intelligent manner.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:46 PM

"ok well i guess we just straight up disagree on this". I wrote this not seeing your comments directly above, which I mostly agree with.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:45 PM

And now that I'm all out of criticism, I'll stop. If anyone else wants to continue rational skepticism of the Quiltmeister, please do. But note that it takes a lot of time and energy!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:23 PM

Quilt study #1: Ornish 2005. "Experimental group patients were prescribed an intensive lifestyle program that included a VEGAN diet supplemented with soy...fish oil..selenium...meditation...yoga..."

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:16 PM

One should never hold back criticism just because it is against a doctor who is enthusiastic and knowledgable. As my man spidey says, "With great power comes great responsibility". In my view, and apparently the view of others, they are not excited about reading the Quilt's blog. Not because they don't care about leptin/aging/etc, but because of other issues (not just grammar).

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:35 PM

Kamal - I agree with a lot of what you say above. What I am saying is that I think many people here are being way too abrasive and rude with their 'opinion'. I stepped in with my own opinion accordingly. If one is not excited to read Dr K's work, that's more than fine with me. I couldn't care less really. But I still think that the 'good' he is doing outweighs the 'bad'. He's eccentric, has strong opinions, and his stuff is kinda 'out there' and different, but many great people start out that way. All I'm saying is give the guy a chance.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:50 PM

ditto kamal, and melissa.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:57 PM

Here is the third one, that is, "Effect of psychosocial treatment on survival of patients with metastatic breast cancer," Spiegel D et al., Lancet, October 14, 1989. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2571815 This one seems a little more to the point, but it is about time to death in patients with fairly advanced cancer. (Also I'm not quite sure I fully understand what "mindfulness" is and what is included under that concept.)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 10, 2011
at 07:10 PM

thanker PH et all "chronic stress Promotes tumor Growth and angiogenesis in mouse model of ovarian carcinoma." Nature 2006 Spiegel, D. Effect of psychosocial treatment on survival of patients with metastic breast Cancer. Lancet 2 no. 8673 (Nov 18, 1989) 1209-10 Chida,Y. "do stress related psychosocial factors contribute to cancer incidence and survival? Nature clinical practice oncology 5, no 8 (2008) Just because you're ignorant of the science does not allow you to trample the points. The beauty of science is whether you believe it or not.....the truth still remains the truth.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:24 PM

@Kamal, it is unfortunate that correcting and explaining inaccuracies takes a great deal more time and effort than making them.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on June 10, 2011
at 11:03 PM

And here is the fourth one, namely "Do stress-related psychosocial factors contribute to cancer incidence and survival?" Chida Y et al., Nature Clinical Practice Oncology, August 2008. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18493231 Again, this seems somewhat in the ballpark but I don't see evidence for the one claim about 56% etc. Could be buried in there somewhere perhaps.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:33 PM

I don't think people criticize the doc because he's a doc. In fact, that seems to be helping him around these parts. If someone saw "Leptin and Levees: part 62 that you must remember to be healthy, By Jack Kronk", fewer people would excuse the lack of coherence and uncited claims.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:25 PM

There is more to paleo-educating than listing chemicals and pathways and claiming exclusive knowledge of something critical for your health. The Quilt has mentioned that none of the blogs he reads ever cite sources. It appears that he doesn't read Guyenet and Masterjohn then. Every single sciency paleo blogger writes better, cites better, makes less unfounded claims, and has a smaller ego. Kurt Harris can be abrasive, but I've never seen him make dubious claims. His writing is clear as f*ck. He doesn't make shit up.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:44 PM

ok well i guess we just straight up disagree on this. that's ok. i've said my piece. if Dr K gets flushed out for being a quack, then fine. But if he's really on to something, then i think there could be great value in his work in a number of areas. I'm pretty much coming at this from a "how cool is it having a paleo neurosurgeon doing research for you to tie stuff together? Who actually likes doing this?", from Kamal's comment above. I guess I just see much of these comments (many of the comments below the answers) as harsh and I don't think it's deserved at this point.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:19 PM

It just takes so much darn effort (ahem, I mean "due diligence") to catch him in the act. Be neither wowed nor intimidated by this eye-opening neurosurgeon's far-reaching claims. Anyone has the power to read logically and critically. Just hold aloft your magic sword and say, "By the Power of Grayskull!....I HAVE THE POWER!"

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 09:47 PM

Let me be clear Quilt: I obviously do not disagree with any of your basic concepts. Tracking your health, reading a variety of subjects, tweaking your diet, feeling empowered in the healthcare system. Mindulness meditation is one of the coolest things in the world and I almost chose to do a thesis on mindful eating. It's great that you've read a lot about leptin, telomeres, and other aging stuff. But no matter who is sitting at the computer and typing...if they make stuff up, they will be ridiculed excessively and with reckless abandon.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:26 PM

Quilt study #2: Chronic stress promotes tumor growth and angiogenesis in a MOUSE model of ovarian carcinoma

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:33 PM

fish oil (3 gm daily), vitamin E (400 IU daily), selenium (200 mcg daily) and vitamin C (2 gm daily), moderate aerobic exercise (walking 30 minutes 6 days weekly), stress management techniques (gentle yoga based stretching, breathing, meditation, imagery and progressive relaxation for a total of 60 minutes daily) and participation in a 1-hour support group once weekly to enhance adherence to the intervention.10 The diet was predominantly fruits, vegetables, whole grains (complex carbohydrates), legumes and soy products, low in simple carbohydrates and with approximately [Continued]

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:32 PM

Do I even need to go on? This guy will pull you in with exaggerations and flowery language, and will mock you when you show that studies do not say what he claims. Like I said, I interned at the largest mindfulness meditation research group in the country. Sure, I was a peon, but I saw the research. We were pro-meditation, obviously, but we did not lie. Truthfulness in research is so so so important, that I can't even believe someone would lie/exaggerate just to make a point. The ends do not justify the means.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:32 PM

I'm looking through and posting some links so that we can all look ourselves and make our own decisions. Here's the first one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16094059 I'm on an institutional network right now, so I don't know if I have full-text reference just because of that, but here's an excerpt on the the Ornish group's lifestyle changes for the study: "Experimental group patients were prescribed an intensive lifestyle program that included a vegan diet supplemented with soy (1 daily serving of tofu plus 58 gm of a fortified soy protein powdered beverage), [Continued]

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 11, 2011
at 04:19 PM

… But now, I do agree with Shari that it would behoove you to consider taking some key steps in your approach to 'win' us over. You surely don't have to. You have your practice and it’s your call. But don’t let your efforts to be futile. In the end, you will inevitably end up exactly where your decisions bring you. You've made enough of a splash that I’m sure even those here with the harshest of words for you want you to win. I'm rooting for you Doc. I think there is value in your quest and I'd like to see you win. I think probably we'd all win.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:20 PM

Quilt: "Mindfulness has shown 56% reduction in cancer recurrence." Kamal: "Ummm...no. Most of the trial research was done here in Boston at MGH, UMass, and Beth Israel. Neither meta-analyses nor individual trials show a 56% reduction..." Quilt: "Just because you're ignorant of the science does not allow you to trample the points." Kamal: (speaking in present tense) Don't make me actually pull those studies and prove that you're making stuff up!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:37 PM

WCC Paul-- yeah, pretty funny, huh? Let's say you make a claim that mindfulness reduces cancer recurrence by 56%. What sort of study should you cite? Well, you might want to consider a study of a vegan diet with a bazillion supplements that includes yoga, meditation, and other lifestyle changes. Oh yeah, the study doesn't even include cancer recurrence as an outcome. Yeah, that's exactly the kind of study that you should cite when you think nobody is going to actually look the study up. My goodness, THE GALL!!

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:33 PM

10% of calories from fat.11 The diet is intensive but palatable and practical. In earlier studies most patients were able to adhere to this diet for at least 5 years."

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

I think you have some very promising things in the pipeline and you seem to be quite passionate about it with the right intention. That's respectable. That's why you at least have made as much noise as you have within the Paleo community. You have tremendous qualifications and a treasure trove of knowledge. We all know you now Doc. Well done. .

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:49 PM

Here's the second one, although the list is organized in a somewhat fuzzy way. But it's this one: "Chronic stress promotes tumor growth and angiogenesis in a mouse model of ovarian carcinoma." Thaker PH et al., Nature Medicine 2006, August. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16862152 http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v12/n8/pdf/nm1447.pdf

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 11, 2011
at 05:11 PM

Gosh Kronky, why you gotta be so nice all the time :) Yeah Quilt, I'm ready to learn some interesting and new facts, and you're in a great position to provide said facts. But we paleohackers are not sheep. If anyone exaggerates, misquotes, or make unwarranted conclusions, it's Hammer Time. Picking apart conventional wisdom errors is what got us here, and there's no going back! But yeah, we're all on the same team, so let's be friends. Or at least friendly. Well, okay, just not merciless.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:19 PM

You, my dear sir, are out of your freaking mind. If anybody needs a record of how easily The Quilt slips into and out of lies and exaggerations, please read on...

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:35 PM

Here is what my (oncologist) coworker said after looking at the studies The Quilt listed and seeing his claim of 56% reduction in cancer recurrence: "This guy is a neurosurgeon but doesn't know how to read? That's funny. You guys listen to him, huh? That's funny."

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 11, 2011
at 04:20 PM

But I would venture to say that people might take you more seriously if you didn't toss around falsities in the name of proving a point. Also, it may help if you didn’t poke around so much on PH. Weird I know... because when I see that Chris Kresser and Dr Harris don’t have much of a presence here, and CMast is nowhere to be found, and Sisson is MIA... well you get my point. It's like a catch 22. We want them around, but completely understand why they aren’t.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 11:17 PM

WCC Paul- thanks for rooting out those studies. Beware though. The more you dig, the more likely you are to receive some friendly advice from The Quilt..."Just because you're ignorant of the science does not allow you to trample the points."

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 10, 2011
at 10:02 PM

thorough. thats the way to do it, Kamal. Drop the hammer. Guys a goofball, you've shown it.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 11:25 PM

And you will never find The Quilt's claim to be true, no matter how many articles you look at. His claim is "Mindfulness has shown 56% reduction in cancer recurrence." My boss's boss was Herbert Benson, a smart and kind cardiologist who is the father of mindfulness meditation research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Benson) If I had said more than two words to him at work, I would totally get him to post here to show just how badly The Quilt makes stuff up.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 11:18 PM

Trample the Points FTW!!!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:34 PM

Here is what my (oncologist) coworker said after looking at the studies The Quilt listed and seeing his claim of 56% reduction in cancer recurrence: "This guy is a neurosurgeon but doesn't know how to read? That's funny. You guys follow his orders, huh? It might be time to think for yourself."

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 11, 2011
at 04:18 PM

At any rate, people on PH have responded as they have. It is what it is. The formula of circumstances that has brought that about cannot be redone. But you will now have to decide how you will handle the voices of the people here, and that is your choice alone. Like it or not, it will partially define you and what you're all about in the minds of an important group among the very audience you seek to help. (although I know you also seek to help many outside the "Paleo" audience as well, of course).

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 10, 2011
at 07:03 PM

@Kamal....you need to go bck and read then if you did what you said at a mindfulness center. 1.UCSF study on lifestyle changes and prostate cancer 2005 One of the few good thing Dean Ornish has published. With the follow up study done in 2008 Ornish Weidner Fair "Intensive Lifestyle changes may effect the Progression of prostate cancer. Journal of Urology 174, no 3 2005 1065-69 disusion 9-70. 2. Ornish et al. "Changes in Prostate gene expression in men undergoing an intensive nutrition and lifestyle Intervention," Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 105 8369-74

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 10, 2011
at 08:32 PM

Do I even need to go on? This guy will pull you in with exaggerations and flowerly language, and will mock you when you show that studies do not say what he claims. Like I said, I interned at the largest mindfulness meditation research group in the country. Sure, I was a peon, but I saw the research. We were pro-meditation, obviously, but we did not lie. Truthfulness in research is so so so important, that I can't even believe someone would lie/exaggerate just to make a point. The ends do not justify the means.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 11, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Can't we all just get along? Hehe. I have a suggestion. How about we all take a deep breath and remember that we are on the same team. Er. At least I thought we were. Dr K - Kamal and Paul are saying that you misquoted some studies. Is this true? Was it just a mistake? Was it intentional?

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149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

on June 07, 2011
at 10:47 PM

For all interested. Re-read the blog battle between Dr. K and Dr. Ron Rosedale. Be sure and read the comments after each response as they get into it in the comments as well. Love the fireworks. Make up your own minds. http://paleohacks.com/questions/33775/what-kind-of-fat-do-you-eat-on-dr-rosedales-high-fat-diet#axzz1ObxeHvTh

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:14 AM

OK. Dr. K. I will respond to you in the most civil way I can. You have insulted Dr. Rosedale and his intentions and his intellect. I have worked with Dr. Rosedale. Am I biased? Yes. Point 1. Dr. Rosedale has a book to sell. You impune that he is after money. He has spent the last 3 years in India working for free to heal Indians at an Ashram. Charity work. He sold no books in India. I have been with him as he healed dozens of people and charged them nothing. His paper, "Insulin and its Metabolic Effects" is the most downloaded parer on the web on insulin. Again...for free.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:35 AM

Debate! That would be neat. Rosedale seems like a cool dude--it must have been quite enriching to work with him in India.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:26 AM

Here it is, judge for your self. http://paleohacks.com/questions/33775/what-kind-of-fat-do-you-eat-on-dr-rosedales-high-fat-diet#axzz1OjXj4gwC We are all in this together..I do not understand your desire to make it personal and thumb your nose a guy who has been fighting the high fat/low carb fight for over 30 years. I would love to see an open debate between you and Dr. Rosedale at the Ancestral Symposium. Someone call Aaron Blaisdale before my blood sugar goes any higher. I am going to take some Valerian, blue poppy and Lobelia now...in a glass of red wine...2 buck chuck cause the of herbs.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:37 AM

My last comments did not include that Dr. Rosedale also healed my wife of a double anuerysm. I was told by the docs at Cedar Sinai that she would be a veg. in a wheelchair. In one year, She is her old self again...for free. Before you insult a person's intentions again, Dr. Kruse, lets examine your record on charity. Point 2. " He does not understand levee one". Again, everyone, please reread the debate on Paleo Hacks and judge for yourself who understands levee one...whatever the hell "levee one" is. I call for a debate...I call for a debate!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:18 PM

I think you will find my response to Dr Rosedale today more interesting then. We need to read data critically and put it in context. Ned Kock makes this point over and over again with respect to numbers and I do with clinical medicine. I have no book to sell my ideas. Rosedale does. I give you my idea free to think about. He looks at research papers that provide no context. I read and apply it to patients with context. Any my results are completely different because he does not understand levee one.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:07 AM

Absolutely Kamal. I learned more from him in my time in India than I did in the 25 years of working in the Physical Fitness world. Dr. Bernstein taught me the importance of "normal" blood sugars. Dr. Rosedale taught the importance of low insulin, low leptin and low Mtor. The sweetest, smartest guy in the room who always had time to counsel 1 or 20 at a time on how to get their health back...for free. Dr. Rosedale has debated Dean Ornish, he started clinics with the Eades, he knows the skeletons in the ADA closet...he also understands the tweaks that the Paleo community can make to optimize

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 07, 2011
at 11:32 PM

He's a personable, well-spoken guy, and not too hard on the eyes. He'd get eyeballs if he vlogged. Then he wouldn't need an editor.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:09 PM

Dude, take that 500 bucks and hire a team of five poor English majors! I gaurentee a 25% increase in readership.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:51 PM

they'd need the rosetta stone, dude

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:20 PM

I may do this. Vlog from my pool or deck? I guess I have to look into that angle. And sadly i did pay a medical editor. I guess that was an epic fail huh? Waste of 500 bucks.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:06 PM

I think half what you say is gibberish, doc, by for $500 I'll make your blog read like the new Yorker.

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(2169)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:00 AM

@ben61820- I just laughed out loud. Thanks! @Kamal- you are SO right. I have so many friends who are poor English grad students. Their writing and editing is excellent but they are poor and can't find jobs. You made me laugh too :) @ The Quilt- Would your average English graduate student be able to understand the concepts you write about enough to edit your work? Would you need someone with both a strong biochem background and good editing skills?

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50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on June 07, 2011
at 07:14 PM

I love it. I find myself checking his site for new info and comments daily. I think it could be better - more fleshed out, cites, etc... but, as Jack said, he's tackling an area that most people couldn't or wouldn't. At worst, he's only partially right and we all still learn new stuff, at best, he's spot on and could very well help a large number of people.

who-here-is-excited-to-read-jack-kruse's-blog?-dr.-k.-is-delivering-as-promised.

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on June 07, 2011
at 07:16 PM

+1 for the pic! ;)

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(18472)

on June 07, 2011
at 07:52 PM

+1 for the well reasoned answer with a balanced perspective.

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(5838)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:24 PM

really? I apologize.... next time I'll check my sense of humor at the door.

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(2437)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:55 AM

-1 for the pic! ;)

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on June 08, 2011
at 04:25 AM

I Mis-spoke earlier, didn't mean to cast aspersions. I think Dr. Kruse's blog is very useful. After all, he doesn't HAVE to share what he knows, and he IS a doctor so he must be a very busy dude.

I still stand by my sentiment though, that the content needs to be edited. Like Tartare said, the current format is simply a result of so much thought going on at once, and trying to capture it quickly.

With that said, congrats doc on your new web-presence.

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:58 PM

I'm surprised someone hasn't made a reference to Time Cube. Surely, it can't be that bad.

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(7821)

on June 07, 2011
at 09:04 PM

LOL! I actually did get a timecube vibe from some of his posts, but the difference is that while timecube is clearly gibberish, Kruse is just hard to follow at times and uses lots of technical terms. Not quite the same thing.

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(16131)

on June 07, 2011
at 08:17 PM

I am enjoying it very much.

Likes: The Reader Summary at the start of the posts.

The nuts and bolts how to at the end of post #2.

I would love to see posts end in an "Action Item" type bulleted list.

I think I am understanding the content pretty well, but also I think it would be really cool if he dictated the content to someone with shorter attention span, little time, multiple distractions (kids!!!!) ... someone like me ;0) Better yet, someone with a 10,000 + Paleo Hacks score. But that's easy for me to say, I'm not a surgeon.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on June 07, 2011
at 09:36 PM

Maybe Dr. Kruse should use the Flesch–Kincaid readability test. A score of 65 makes it on the level of Reader's Digest. That would be readable for most people.

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(9948)

on June 09, 2011
at 04:51 AM

For those few of you who have trouble with the Quilt, I suggest you just forget that Dr Kruse is a poster here on paleohacks and just ignore him and don't read anything he writes.

You would be better served by focusing your attention on your own blog regarding your paleolithic truths and building yourselves up in the eyes of the paleo community.

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on June 09, 2011
at 05:41 AM

The Quilt has posted 324 answers and has voted 229 times. How is one to forget that he is a poster on paleohacks, without the help of a recreational drug? Not only that, but the whole voting and commenting system seems to be a rough peer-review process. If one doesn't criticize when criticism is warranted, then we would surely devolve into monkeys, or at best, lemurs. One can look at how many upvotes an answer has to approximate what the community thinks about it. One may choose to ignore the votes if he or she thinks the paleohacks community is mentally challenged, or they may adapt instead.

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on June 09, 2011
at 01:59 PM

If there were a system to kill file I happily would. I wonder if I could hack the script I have for another site...

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(15976)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:48 PM

but we got a friendly, helpful community here, lets enjoy it. Dr. K is an important member - we might miss a levee or blanket if he weren't here to remind us. And our leptin-sensitivity would be shot to hell.

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(7970)

on June 09, 2011
at 07:06 PM

@ben61820 - good point - I don't want to miss a blanket OR a levee. If the water gets in, I'll want something to cover myself with.

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(3631)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:00 AM

if PH doesn't read it, who will???

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:47 PM

@Dex, so long as dr.K keeps posting his ellipses-laden quips I will keep commenting on them. Too fun and easy not to. lets not get too serious about any of this - this is an internet forum where are loosely discussing hacking ways of eating somewhat associated with cro-magnon man. If you woulda told me three years ago that I'd be spending this much time per day pleasantly talking with everyone here I woulda laughed you out of the room

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(17969)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:01 AM

Who else is covering this material? Mastering Leptin touched on it, but I am confident that the Doc can expand upon it. That's a good thing right there.

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(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:15 PM

Stabby you got a shout today.....because you been asking for why I think paleo diet is superior when Rosedale does not.....my response is out there for you to tear apart. EAT MEAT

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(2231)

on June 10, 2011
at 12:43 AM

yes, very similar to mastering leptin IMO

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(20378)

on June 08, 2011
at 03:54 AM

I like Dr. K's blog and read every word of it. If I lived closer I would be his patient for sure.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 08, 2011
at 01:20 AM

I read this blog with great interest. What I like about Dr.K is how friendly he seems, not angry like KH. It's too bad about grammar etc. It does look like many crackpot sites. Very old fashioned. Although I'm completely a lay person I enjoyed trying to slog through the science and connect some of the dots. How many more I could connect with better writing...who knows? I will continue to look in from time to time. Maybe there will be improvements down the road.

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on October 08, 2011
at 06:09 PM

I shall endeavor to try harder to find the good in this guy's blog and online presence. I do wish him well and I wish him happiness and success.

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(2437)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:00 AM

His grammar needs work and I'd be very willing to proof read for him. (Jack, email wozza96@gmail.com).

Otherwise, I was fascinated to read his prescription, buried deeply:

eating 50 grams of protein at breakfast everyday within 30 minutes of rising, eliminating all snacking especially past 7:30 PM, eating three meals a day, and limiting [her] carb intake below fifty grams per day for about 6-8 weeks

I asked on facebook about the 7:30 PM, I think more accurately it would be three hours before sleeping. A very simple and practical program for good health.

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