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Why was a SAD diet better for my sex life?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Going on 3 months paleo - 90-95% strict. Feel great - I have lost almost 30 lbs , hubby almost 20 lbs.

Hubby's sex drive seems lower on paleo then it did on previous SAD diet. We also stopped drinking Jan 1st. He says before on SAD his mind was foggy. Now he says his mind is so much clearer and open that he thinks about sex less,....kinda like John Travolta in the movie Phenomenon, his mind always working on other problems and work matters. He also has always felt that drinking alcohol increased his sex drive - which is opposite of what I thought was generally true for most people? No bedroom problems once I talk him into getting there ;-)

I am hoping this is more a weather/seasonal thing than it is a paleo issue. And once we get to warmer weather and consistently sunny skies that this issue will disappear. He does workout a couple times a week with some heavy lifting. We both feel SO much better health wise, and emotionally we are closer and happier than ever. I sure think about it a good bit and would like to see that return for him lol

Has anyone else experienced a drop in testosterone after starting Paleo?

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on November 22, 2011
at 04:17 AM

she's been my wife for sixteen years.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on November 20, 2011
at 12:39 AM

your wife is 16?

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

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on November 08, 2011
at 08:48 AM

yum carbs...+1. VLC struggle is quite an embarassing situation for paleo proponents to admit

484be0568f735d7579b68ffaa394e34b

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on June 14, 2011
at 04:33 PM

If the Lights Out theory were correct then you would expect people on v low carb diets like Paleo to have consistently lower sex drives...

484be0568f735d7579b68ffaa394e34b

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on June 14, 2011
at 04:31 PM

This makes sense from my experience too. If you ever used sexual activity compulsively to feel better about life (or being overweight, unfit etc) then when you get your life together the compulsion disappears and it takes time for a healthy non-compulsive, non-displacement sex drive to re-emerge....

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on June 10, 2011
at 02:16 AM

No, removing the bun and eating the burger is gluten free but it is not strictly gluten free. Avoiding minuscule amounts of gluten can make a big difference for some people with gluten sensitivity, and all celiacs. Google cross contamination and gluten for more info or check posts at celiac.com

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on June 10, 2011
at 01:45 AM

Interesting addendum.

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on June 10, 2011
at 12:47 AM

"Paleo alone" is already strict gluten-free... I don't know how "Paleo alone did not do it" if your spouse was still getting gluten on the paleo diet.

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on June 10, 2011
at 12:41 AM

I've heard the same from many men. Same for me, too.

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on April 19, 2011
at 08:46 AM

Certainly enough to keep out of ketosis, certainly enough to stop you needing generate any of your own glucose from muscle. Carbs rather than protein is the main thing, since protein reduces T, so adequate protein and then somewhat more than merely enough carbs to meet any glucose needs. If you're eating enough fat, that shouldn't be a huge amount- 100g maybe (notwithstanding exercise)? The discussion I linked to said at least 40% more carbs than protein though.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 18, 2011
at 10:26 PM

Hey DAvid. I had recently questioned about the VLC diets and testosterone level and their relationship. How much in the way of carbs would you recommend to 'tweek' the test levels?

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

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on April 04, 2011
at 07:11 PM

Similar anecdotes from celiac.com http://www.celiac.com/gluten-free/topic/46175-low-thyroid-and-testosterone/page__p__421375__hl__testosterone__fromsearch__1#entry421375 http://www.celiac.com/gluten-free/topic/65587-low-testosterone-celiac/

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on April 02, 2011
at 05:40 PM

Why don't you agree with this? This person is just giving his or her report of something that happened to him or her. Can you give us a fuller comment?

9dd74d3941535d0aaa2c8d3cf454fb7e

on April 02, 2011
at 12:00 PM

"As body plummets SHBG increases". This does not make sense. Assuming you meant body fat, the decrease should be accompanied by a reduction in estradiol, which should actually decrease SHBG, not increase it. That would generally tend toward reduced total testosterone as the body attempts to maintain the same free T via homeostasis.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 31, 2011
at 05:45 PM

No it does not.....but at 51 I bet he is starting to have low T because he is at the age it begins. We are seeing it earlier and earlier now because of processed foods

6f68447df0904e5381ed977f76bf284e

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on March 31, 2011
at 01:30 PM

We have always had a slight difference in drives. When we married I was 23 and he was 38 - now I am 36 and he is 51. Where I have always had a higher drive I feel like just in the last year I am really coming into my own and knowing what works best and feeling more self confident about it. Of course losing 30 on paleo has only increased that for me. Does a vasectomy decrease testosterone? initially or over time? He did that 5 yrs ago.

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on March 31, 2011
at 12:43 PM

Serotonin production is directly proportional to carb intakes. Typtophan is the biggie and tyrosine for dopamine sets reward behavior in the orbital frontal cortex

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 31, 2011
at 12:37 PM

I don't agree with this

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on March 31, 2011
at 09:33 AM

Thanks, David. I agree about the unorthodox theorizing; it's always like a breath of fresh air over there. Hopefully we can lure him into more Paleohacks activity (I'm thinking about asking a question related to one of his/their ideas soon). .... Micronutrients: Well, I guess I've never worried about these quite as much since I eat a fair amount of pastured beef liver and I figure that a paleo diet probably has micronutrient standards of its own. But I'm starting to be a little swayed. I supplement magnesium and iodine now, but that's it. Looking into more.

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on March 31, 2011
at 09:12 AM

Seriously? I have found completely the opposite, maybe because I'm of a child bearing age?

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on March 31, 2011
at 09:07 AM

And on the general point, I find PJ really interesting, though disagree with him a lot, but along the way he produces lots of interesting and unorthodox theorising, which is always a good thing. Personally I'm about as 'nutritionistic' as they come, my interest in health before I got into macronutrients/LC & paleo was all about optimal micronutrition via calculations on NutritionData, so I've always been aware that it can be difficult to get enough of lots of micronutrients while eating an otherwise good paleo diet.

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on March 31, 2011
at 09:00 AM

@jjs, ok, but it could equally be a case of associations in that case. Nothing wrong with zinc supplementation, I've done so before, but just a pound of ground beef gives you 127% of the RDA and he may well eat more meat. @Paul I think his points there are entirely germane. I really doubt that all the paleo high-cho cases mentioned are inadequately nourished or that that's the main explanation of high cho or that paleo lc-ers are more malnourished than the SAD, but it seems really likely that micronutrition would form part of the picture of something so funadmental as lipid metabolism...

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on March 31, 2011
at 08:17 AM

I'm thinking that it could be something along the same lines. The theory in Light Out goes on to explain how higher carbohydrate intakes signaled that it was summer, the famine of winter was over, and that food was plentiful; all of this leads to an increase in sex hormones and greater drive for reproduction. Theoretically, a low-carbohydrate diet signals that it is winter and that it is not a good time to reproduce..

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on March 31, 2011
at 07:36 AM

@David: re: your thoughts on micronutrients. What did you think of Paul Jaminet's blog posts that he linked to in his answer on the "Time to stop paleohacking" thread? You buy his idea or not? Not necessarily even the specific point about micronutrient deficiency and LDL but the general idea about the importance of micronutrients on paleo. http://paleohacks.com/questions/30591/im-45-really-lean-and-active-and-happy-time-for-me-to-stop-paleohacking/30600#30600 Curious because judging by your comment you're a fan of PJ. (I am too; I'm the one who voted up your comment.)

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on March 31, 2011
at 03:50 AM

What me, and especially my wife, has found helpful is to really set the mood (turn off TV, computer, etc.) and to prioritize our intimate time.

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on March 31, 2011
at 03:48 AM

I've been "going Paleo" for just shy of three months now and I can personally attest to EXACTLY the same thing that your husband is going through. The "phenomenon" analogy is actually RIGHT ON! I've been a personal trainer since 2004 and got my 4 yr degree in Exercise & Sport Scient/Fitness & Wellness, so it's not like I was eating "bad" before. Oatmeal, super whole-grain crackers, Smart Balance peanut butter, and beans definitely featured heavily though. Since cutting them out, my mind has been on overdrive and sex, unfortunately, hasn't been the focus it once was.

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on March 31, 2011
at 03:35 AM

good point. but as far as oysters, I'm Sicilian, so I want 'em fresh and fighting back

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on March 31, 2011
at 12:39 AM

The importance of liver consumption is so great that it far outweighs the organ's questionable provenance. You're eating so little of it that a slight toxicity is irrelevant. Same goes for tinned oysters.

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on March 31, 2011
at 12:39 AM

This may sound odd, and is probably unrelated, but I've often thought the scent of some men was reminiscent of celery.

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on March 31, 2011
at 12:26 AM

What kind of alcohol?

6f68447df0904e5381ed977f76bf284e

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on March 30, 2011
at 11:02 PM

Mongoose, we actually chose to eliminate alcohol pre-paleo for other reasons. We may re-evaluate someday, but we are happy with the choice for now.

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on March 30, 2011
at 10:48 PM

I just found some good cheap lamb's liver at a local ethnic market, advertised as natural (meaningless) but not grass fed. I'm assuming its not that big a deal when it comes to the organ of a young animal? Or does it?

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on March 30, 2011
at 09:34 PM

I've been searching for good oysters and a lamb liver source, with no real luck either...

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on March 30, 2011
at 09:26 PM

Robb Wolf has said about alcohol a number of times not to drink so much that it affects your performance but enough so it doesn't degrade your sex life. Or words to that effect. So unless you have other reasons, have a drink or two, relax and let nature take its course. Just stay away from beer or other sugary drinks and you'll be fine.

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on March 30, 2011
at 09:25 PM

I have noticed in myself the day-after hangover behavior you describe above. Weird. I wonder what causes that?

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on March 30, 2011
at 08:55 PM

the things I notice on Stephen's list that we don't eat are - grass fed meat (can afford regularly), oysters, wild meat, and liver. Pretty much everything else we eat weekly at least. He says he likes liver so I will def find a grass fed source for that.

6f68447df0904e5381ed977f76bf284e

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on March 30, 2011
at 08:55 PM

We don't keep track of calories - guess we will start. i do wonder if he gets enough calories in a day. He often skips breakfast like I do and grabs an egg and a piece of meat when he can at work for lunch. Very low carb. Most days he is on and off his feet dozens of times managing a conference center. We almost always have a good dinner of a nice salad, meat, and veg.

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on March 30, 2011
at 08:44 PM

It's exclusively grass-fed and from OR, but not completely local. I'm fortunate in that I can just walk into a local health food chain and get it, but it'd be tough elsewhere.

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on March 30, 2011
at 08:40 PM

i do wonder if he gets enough calories in a day. He often skips breakfast like I do and grabs an egg and a piece of meat when he can at work for lunch. Very low carb. Most days he is on and off his feet dozens of times managing a conference center. We almost always have a good dinner of a nice salad, meat, and veg. Alcohol was never about going out for us, And it was more the day AFTER drinking that he was extra interested. the bigger the hangover the more ready to go strangely enough. Should one take a zinc supplement as well as try to incorporate more foods higher in zinc?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on March 30, 2011
at 08:06 PM

Awesome answer from Stephen in this thread: Jack up your testosterone! http://paleohacks.com/questions/17035/jack-up-your-testosterone#axzz1I7CVGeID

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on March 30, 2011
at 07:58 PM

google variations around "diet sex drive", it will be pretty much paleo... p.s. ginger / cacao / oysters / garlic ... something says to me you are not doing this right.

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on March 30, 2011
at 07:55 PM

Travis, where do you get your lamb liver? Do you get it at a local place or online? Is it really grass fed or just assumed because it's lamb?

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on March 30, 2011
at 07:32 PM

what is he eating? There alot of foods that are paleo and also have been shown to boost testosterone and zinc very well, which are crucial to the male libido.

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on March 30, 2011
at 07:32 PM

calorie levels? how much fat are you getting? are you eating offal?

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C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

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on March 31, 2011
at 05:24 AM

The amount of sex I'm having has definitely decreased. (overweight 45yo male). It's not a performance issue. If I get bored I can visit some salacious web sites and I can get very aroused.

But my wife of 16 sixteen years has not seen much action lately.

Here's my theory on why. For me, sex was like an addiction. It was the drug, the rush of the orgasm, that helped me feel so much better compared to how I usually felt, which was poorly.

Since being paleo (or should I say avoiding the NADs), I feel absolutely fantastic. And all the things I used to rely on to feel good (alcohol, pot, caffeine etc. etc.) are no longer doing it for me. I just feel good all the time now.

So I think I've lost interest in sex because I no longer need the comfort and distraction it gave me.

ADDED: and if my theory is right, it might help explain why agricultural societies tend towards overpopulation.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on June 10, 2011
at 01:45 AM

Interesting addendum.

484be0568f735d7579b68ffaa394e34b

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on June 14, 2011
at 04:31 PM

This makes sense from my experience too. If you ever used sexual activity compulsively to feel better about life (or being overweight, unfit etc) then when you get your life together the compulsion disappears and it takes time for a healthy non-compulsive, non-displacement sex drive to re-emerge....

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on November 20, 2011
at 12:39 AM

your wife is 16?

C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

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on November 22, 2011
at 04:17 AM

she's been my wife for sixteen years.

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E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on March 30, 2011
at 08:27 PM

It might be reduced carbohydrate. Carbs may well be a signal for fertility via signalling that you're 'feasted' whereas low carb mimics fasting/calorie restriction. Fewer carbohydrates also reduce testosterone as can higher protein. You won't need much carbohydrate or much limitation on protein (just adequate protein as always) to produce the desired effects.

You're almost certainly better nourished on paleo, so I wouldn't worry about micronutrients. I can't imagine a SAD diet that is lower in absorbable zinc than a standard paleo diet. Getting sufficient calories is certainly a plausible explanation, though I'd expect that he'd notice some other effects if he were inadvertently calorie restricted (I became cold, tired and food-conscious, despite spontaneously not eating enough, but still didn't realise what was the cause until afterwards).

Maybe if he used to associate alcohol/going out with sex, the absence of that trigger means that he doesn't feel moved to think about sex, even though he's perfectly keen once it is initiated?

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on March 31, 2011
at 07:36 AM

@David: re: your thoughts on micronutrients. What did you think of Paul Jaminet's blog posts that he linked to in his answer on the "Time to stop paleohacking" thread? You buy his idea or not? Not necessarily even the specific point about micronutrient deficiency and LDL but the general idea about the importance of micronutrients on paleo. http://paleohacks.com/questions/30591/im-45-really-lean-and-active-and-happy-time-for-me-to-stop-paleohacking/30600#30600 Curious because judging by your comment you're a fan of PJ. (I am too; I'm the one who voted up your comment.)

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on March 31, 2011
at 09:33 AM

Thanks, David. I agree about the unorthodox theorizing; it's always like a breath of fresh air over there. Hopefully we can lure him into more Paleohacks activity (I'm thinking about asking a question related to one of his/their ideas soon). .... Micronutrients: Well, I guess I've never worried about these quite as much since I eat a fair amount of pastured beef liver and I figure that a paleo diet probably has micronutrient standards of its own. But I'm starting to be a little swayed. I supplement magnesium and iodine now, but that's it. Looking into more.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on March 31, 2011
at 09:00 AM

@jjs, ok, but it could equally be a case of associations in that case. Nothing wrong with zinc supplementation, I've done so before, but just a pound of ground beef gives you 127% of the RDA and he may well eat more meat. @Paul I think his points there are entirely germane. I really doubt that all the paleo high-cho cases mentioned are inadequately nourished or that that's the main explanation of high cho or that paleo lc-ers are more malnourished than the SAD, but it seems really likely that micronutrition would form part of the picture of something so funadmental as lipid metabolism...

6f68447df0904e5381ed977f76bf284e

(40)

on March 30, 2011
at 08:40 PM

i do wonder if he gets enough calories in a day. He often skips breakfast like I do and grabs an egg and a piece of meat when he can at work for lunch. Very low carb. Most days he is on and off his feet dozens of times managing a conference center. We almost always have a good dinner of a nice salad, meat, and veg. Alcohol was never about going out for us, And it was more the day AFTER drinking that he was extra interested. the bigger the hangover the more ready to go strangely enough. Should one take a zinc supplement as well as try to incorporate more foods higher in zinc?

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(2339)

on March 31, 2011
at 12:26 AM

What kind of alcohol?

E7dc4f2e3998906dd3213973a3c10d50

on March 30, 2011
at 09:25 PM

I have noticed in myself the day-after hangover behavior you describe above. Weird. I wonder what causes that?

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on March 31, 2011
at 09:07 AM

And on the general point, I find PJ really interesting, though disagree with him a lot, but along the way he produces lots of interesting and unorthodox theorising, which is always a good thing. Personally I'm about as 'nutritionistic' as they come, my interest in health before I got into macronutrients/LC & paleo was all about optimal micronutrition via calculations on NutritionData, so I've always been aware that it can be difficult to get enough of lots of micronutrients while eating an otherwise good paleo diet.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 18, 2011
at 10:26 PM

Hey DAvid. I had recently questioned about the VLC diets and testosterone level and their relationship. How much in the way of carbs would you recommend to 'tweek' the test levels?

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on April 19, 2011
at 08:46 AM

Certainly enough to keep out of ketosis, certainly enough to stop you needing generate any of your own glucose from muscle. Carbs rather than protein is the main thing, since protein reduces T, so adequate protein and then somewhat more than merely enough carbs to meet any glucose needs. If you're eating enough fat, that shouldn't be a huge amount- 100g maybe (notwithstanding exercise)? The discussion I linked to said at least 40% more carbs than protein though.

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on March 31, 2011
at 01:51 AM

I think the book "Lights Out: Sleep, Sugar, and Survival," By T. S. Wiley, Bent PH D Formby, might be of interest in a paleo eating/lifestyle sort of way.

"The hormones melatonin and prolactin are major players in your mind-body-planet connections. They communicate with your immune system and metabolic energy system about light and dark cycles. Insulin and prolactin orchestrate the brain chemistry governing serotin and dopamine in your brian, to control behavior and mood. Serotonin and dopamine control your behavior toward food and sex."

So, it might be "natural" to feel this way in a paleo sort of way with an increase in summer. Something to think about for sure.

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on March 31, 2011
at 08:17 AM

I'm thinking that it could be something along the same lines. The theory in Light Out goes on to explain how higher carbohydrate intakes signaled that it was summer, the famine of winter was over, and that food was plentiful; all of this leads to an increase in sex hormones and greater drive for reproduction. Theoretically, a low-carbohydrate diet signals that it is winter and that it is not a good time to reproduce..

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 31, 2011
at 12:43 PM

Serotonin production is directly proportional to carb intakes. Typtophan is the biggie and tyrosine for dopamine sets reward behavior in the orbital frontal cortex

484be0568f735d7579b68ffaa394e34b

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on June 14, 2011
at 04:33 PM

If the Lights Out theory were correct then you would expect people on v low carb diets like Paleo to have consistently lower sex drives...

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on June 10, 2011
at 12:38 AM

I am a woman, but wanted to add that I had almost no libido while eating VLC. One of many ways it did not agree with me.

Starch solved that problem.

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on June 10, 2011
at 12:41 AM

I've heard the same from many men. Same for me, too.

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on November 08, 2011
at 08:48 AM

yum carbs...+1. VLC struggle is quite an embarassing situation for paleo proponents to admit

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on June 10, 2011
at 12:02 AM

It seems to me that my husband's sex drive has decreased a bit too (his performance is much better when it happens, though). The thing is, I'm not sure if it's really his sex drive that's decreased or mine that's skyrocketed! But some males here are attesting to the same thing, so maybe I'm not imagining things.

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on April 02, 2011
at 03:14 PM

Give him extra Zinc and his balls will swell up like balloons and you'll get as much sex as you can handle.

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on March 31, 2011
at 04:35 PM

http://paleohacks.com/questions/17035/jack-up-your-testosterone/19016#19016

Check that thread. I list the foods he needs to focus on, and why.

also google phytoestrogens and make sure hes not munching on a bunch of estrogenic foods.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 31, 2011
at 12:36 PM

As body plummets SHBG increases. This binds up more of his free testosterone and that is the bioactive part. A clue to this is is getting a free and total testosterone level drawn with a DHT and E2 done. I bet he had a low testosterone to begin with

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 31, 2011
at 05:45 PM

No it does not.....but at 51 I bet he is starting to have low T because he is at the age it begins. We are seeing it earlier and earlier now because of processed foods

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on March 31, 2011
at 01:30 PM

We have always had a slight difference in drives. When we married I was 23 and he was 38 - now I am 36 and he is 51. Where I have always had a higher drive I feel like just in the last year I am really coming into my own and knowing what works best and feeling more self confident about it. Of course losing 30 on paleo has only increased that for me. Does a vasectomy decrease testosterone? initially or over time? He did that 5 yrs ago.

9dd74d3941535d0aaa2c8d3cf454fb7e

on April 02, 2011
at 12:00 PM

"As body plummets SHBG increases". This does not make sense. Assuming you meant body fat, the decrease should be accompanied by a reduction in estradiol, which should actually decrease SHBG, not increase it. That would generally tend toward reduced total testosterone as the body attempts to maintain the same free T via homeostasis.

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on March 31, 2011
at 06:47 AM

If lasting 3 minutes and being left unsatisfied and thus more desperate to reach some level of satisfaction despite inflamed joints, zero stamina, excessive sweating and less ability to achieve "fulfillment" of my spouse due to "fatblocking" is your idea of "better" than I guess it was better for me when I was on the SAD as well.

What Wozza is saying in reference to the lower quality of life leading to more addictive behaviours seems pretty damn spot on to me as well.

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on March 30, 2011
at 07:46 PM

It's possible that the previous diet was higher in copper, zinc or selenium, which are all necessary for testosterone production. Same goes for vitamin A, though that would likely only change if he stopped taking a multivitamin or something.

Basically, you can address all potential nutrient deficiencies simply by eating a half-pound of liver every week. You can boost zinc further with oysters.

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on March 30, 2011
at 08:44 PM

It's exclusively grass-fed and from OR, but not completely local. I'm fortunate in that I can just walk into a local health food chain and get it, but it'd be tough elsewhere.

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on March 30, 2011
at 10:48 PM

I just found some good cheap lamb's liver at a local ethnic market, advertised as natural (meaningless) but not grass fed. I'm assuming its not that big a deal when it comes to the organ of a young animal? Or does it?

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on March 30, 2011
at 07:55 PM

Travis, where do you get your lamb liver? Do you get it at a local place or online? Is it really grass fed or just assumed because it's lamb?

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on March 30, 2011
at 09:34 PM

I've been searching for good oysters and a lamb liver source, with no real luck either...

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on March 31, 2011
at 12:39 AM

The importance of liver consumption is so great that it far outweighs the organ's questionable provenance. You're eating so little of it that a slight toxicity is irrelevant. Same goes for tinned oysters.

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(1614)

on March 31, 2011
at 03:35 AM

good point. but as far as oysters, I'm Sicilian, so I want 'em fresh and fighting back

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on March 30, 2011
at 07:40 PM

Quick answer:

http://www.onlinedater.org/articles/boost-your-libido-21-foods-to-increase-your-sex-drive-naturally/

http://www.libido-increasing-food.com/

Skip the beans and the soy, though, and limit your watermelon intake if you're watching your carbs/sugar.

Also berries are a very good source of zinc, but again, if you're watching your sugar/carbs limit those too.

I've also read that there is anecdotal evidence that the high levels of androsterone in celery can raise sex-pheremone secretion in men:

http://www.asylum.com/2010/05/12/celery-sex-pheremones-androstenone-more-attractive-to-women/

although, that may have been disproved, as some articles state that is simply because someone mixed up androsterone, which is present in celery, and ANDROSTENONE which is a metabolic by-product of testosterone. Nonetheless, I enjoy celery and eat it just about every day. Not sure if it makes my girlfriend more desirous of me, as I'm not sure that would be possible! ;)

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on March 31, 2011
at 12:39 AM

This may sound odd, and is probably unrelated, but I've often thought the scent of some men was reminiscent of celery.

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on April 02, 2011
at 01:12 AM

make dinner... raw oysters for an appetizer followed by some nice steak tartare (i think steak tartare might be my answer for everything)... you should see an almost immediate increase in his, eh, appetite. seriously.

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on April 02, 2011
at 01:04 AM

If I understood the nature of disagreement, I might learn something.

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on March 31, 2011
at 12:28 AM

My spouse T levels normalized after strict gluten free. Paleo alone did not do it. Strict GF, even with VLC, worked.

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on March 31, 2011
at 12:37 PM

I don't agree with this

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(9647)

on April 02, 2011
at 05:40 PM

Why don't you agree with this? This person is just giving his or her report of something that happened to him or her. Can you give us a fuller comment?

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on April 04, 2011
at 07:11 PM

Similar anecdotes from celiac.com http://www.celiac.com/gluten-free/topic/46175-low-thyroid-and-testosterone/page__p__421375__hl__testosterone__fromsearch__1#entry421375 http://www.celiac.com/gluten-free/topic/65587-low-testosterone-celiac/

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on June 10, 2011
at 02:16 AM

No, removing the bun and eating the burger is gluten free but it is not strictly gluten free. Avoiding minuscule amounts of gluten can make a big difference for some people with gluten sensitivity, and all celiacs. Google cross contamination and gluten for more info or check posts at celiac.com

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on June 10, 2011
at 12:47 AM

"Paleo alone" is already strict gluten-free... I don't know how "Paleo alone did not do it" if your spouse was still getting gluten on the paleo diet.

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