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testosterone optimization

Asked on March 02, 2015
Created May 07, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Questions: Do men make testosterone from estrogen? How? What is the best diet for testosterone optimization(on the highish side)? I am currently VLC with high cholesterol(dietary), mod. protein and high fat, kcal. ~3200. Any testosterone advice out in PALEO land?

67f3387f0308b570c61944addedd183e

(112)

on February 11, 2012
at 12:12 AM

Ohhh did someone hurt your feelings?

74c2a166b7f6f13fb39af9f0f439cb38

on May 17, 2011
at 08:14 PM

lol, I just knew some chump on here would down-vote this answer ("but that's not primal!") bwahaha

74c2a166b7f6f13fb39af9f0f439cb38

on May 08, 2011
at 02:07 AM

Look at the studies and decide yourself - (I meant supra-physiological): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8637535

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 08, 2011
at 12:54 AM

The more body fat you have the bigger issue is aromatization

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 08, 2011
at 12:49 AM

Not everyone aromatizes......and we can stop it with foods and drugs if need be

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 08, 2011
at 12:49 AM

Will soon......and it will have options to let the doc hack your problems. It's being built. Person I only recommend vit D3. So if you're not sure toss em and buy them at SAMs. They are dirt cheap

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 10:25 PM

Dr.K: do you have a website that the public can access?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 10:23 PM

Wouldn't this have disastrous consequences re: liver and kidney damage, heart, stiffening of arteries? I like the supra-normal take, very 'ubermenschian'.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 10:21 PM

When I exposed myself to more Vit.D today(Sunlight on upper half of body) I felt an improvement in mood during that hour and after. Before the dreary climate was hovering around 0 degrees celcius with minimal sun. I have some 'Vit.D' tablets that don't specify vit.D3 just 'vit.d'. Should I consume them?

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on May 07, 2011
at 07:44 PM

not all carbs are evil.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 07, 2011
at 05:38 PM

Thanks for the feedback. I had recently included 1 lb. of potatoes PWO(8 oz. per workout x 2 per day, 45-1hr. weights, powerlifting-style) but found little difference. I have heard that carbs are necessary to manufacture thyroid hormone at the level of 70+ grams per day and I think my VLC diet meets this req. Are you sure there are no other options than carbs for OPTIMAL test levels?

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 07, 2011
at 06:05 PM

Testosterone is not made from estrogen in men. All of it comes from cholesterol and pregnenolone. It's generated in the testes and stimulated for production by pituitary releasing hormones. It production can be effected in many steps but the most important issue is ROS and pregnenolone steal syndrome classically seen in increased cortisol levels and low D levels. It's the most common reason for a bad free and total T in my practice

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 10:25 PM

Dr.K: do you have a website that the public can access?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 10:21 PM

When I exposed myself to more Vit.D today(Sunlight on upper half of body) I felt an improvement in mood during that hour and after. Before the dreary climate was hovering around 0 degrees celcius with minimal sun. I have some 'Vit.D' tablets that don't specify vit.D3 just 'vit.d'. Should I consume them?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 08, 2011
at 12:49 AM

Will soon......and it will have options to let the doc hack your problems. It's being built. Person I only recommend vit D3. So if you're not sure toss em and buy them at SAMs. They are dirt cheap

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Fd504de9b242f4cd7009db70af5e2121

(558)

on May 07, 2011
at 05:19 PM

yeah...VLC probably less than ideal for T optimization,at least moderate in the carbs. I sure someone will have a different opinion. You can just do what I'm doing,get tested and experiment accordingly.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 05:38 PM

Thanks for the feedback. I had recently included 1 lb. of potatoes PWO(8 oz. per workout x 2 per day, 45-1hr. weights, powerlifting-style) but found little difference. I have heard that carbs are necessary to manufacture thyroid hormone at the level of 70+ grams per day and I think my VLC diet meets this req. Are you sure there are no other options than carbs for OPTIMAL test levels?

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on May 07, 2011
at 07:44 PM

not all carbs are evil.

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74c2a166b7f6f13fb39af9f0f439cb38

on May 07, 2011
at 09:57 PM

excessive testosterone can convert to estrogen read about aromatase.

Diet for optimal, as in upper-normal to supra-normal testosterone? 100 mg testosterone, preferably in gel form, daily. Then testosterone levels are consistently in upper-normal range, don't fluctuate, and you - or at least I - don't ever have to worry about tinkering and manipulating diet to get "optimal" levels. Saves me the time of reading all the pseudo-diet-science crap out there on that. Then you can eat as few carbs, even zero, as you like and not worry about it.

74c2a166b7f6f13fb39af9f0f439cb38

on May 08, 2011
at 02:07 AM

Look at the studies and decide yourself - (I meant supra-physiological): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8637535

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 08, 2011
at 12:49 AM

Not everyone aromatizes......and we can stop it with foods and drugs if need be

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 08, 2011
at 12:54 AM

The more body fat you have the bigger issue is aromatization

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 10:23 PM

Wouldn't this have disastrous consequences re: liver and kidney damage, heart, stiffening of arteries? I like the supra-normal take, very 'ubermenschian'.

74c2a166b7f6f13fb39af9f0f439cb38

on May 17, 2011
at 08:14 PM

lol, I just knew some chump on here would down-vote this answer ("but that's not primal!") bwahaha

67f3387f0308b570c61944addedd183e

(112)

on February 11, 2012
at 12:12 AM

Ohhh did someone hurt your feelings?

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