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So, I have low free testosterone.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 29, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Dear all,

Allow me to present to you my unique constellation of levels:

Sex: Male Age: 24 Height: 6'0" Weight: 190

Testosterone Serum: 564 ng/dL Free testosterone: 10.8 pg/ml TSH: 2.16 uIU/mL DHEA-Sulfate: 344 ug/dL

Total LDL: 61 Total HDL: 60 Total VLDL: 19 Total Cholesterol: 140

Mineral deficiencies: zinc and copper.

I'm relatively muscled and have a sex drive. But suffer from severe depression/anxiety and chronic pain. Presumably this has something to do with my testosterone levels. I have eliminated most grains from my diet and have been consuming high amounts of heart healthy fats (grass fed beef, coconut oil, eggs).

I'd appreciate any community insights.

Thanks.

B8592e62f9804ddabae73c1103d6bcb9

(1956)

on August 07, 2012
at 02:06 PM

Are you eating any liver? Vitamin A is also needed to help the conversion of LDL to the sex hormones.

D7935c2eebdf69216aa1929dcce59248

(15)

on August 01, 2012
at 06:26 PM

Okay, well my tri/hdl is 115/60. Perhaps a bit of good news. Thanks!

B8592e62f9804ddabae73c1103d6bcb9

(1956)

on August 01, 2012
at 10:48 AM

The most important ratio for CVD risk is tri/HDL, with under 2 being ideal.

B8592e62f9804ddabae73c1103d6bcb9

(1956)

on August 01, 2012
at 10:47 AM

LDL number has little use as it's the LDL size that really matters. LDL size isn't normally measured but triglycerides are a good proxy, which lower tri's indicating large fluffy LDL which is safe and good as like I said sex hormones are made from LDL.

D7935c2eebdf69216aa1929dcce59248

(15)

on July 31, 2012
at 09:19 PM

What is an optimal ldl / hdl split?

D7935c2eebdf69216aa1929dcce59248

(15)

on July 31, 2012
at 09:15 PM

Thanks for your knowledge. I should clarify that my cholesterol levels were taken prior to adopting a more cholesterol laden / healthy fat diet. I have no absorption issues that I know of, but I've admittedly not interrogated that question.

Df6dabaf4b1ef3d5db980ad64c501a5b

on July 30, 2012
at 03:31 AM

Bear in mind that cortisol is also made from cholesterol, and made preferentially over testosterone. Too much call for cortisol (from the chronic pain, maybe, or a common underlying stress?) could tap the supply of testosterone precursors.

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on July 29, 2012
at 08:36 PM

what did your doctors recommend?

6b365c14c646462210f3ef6b6fecace1

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on July 29, 2012
at 08:35 PM

I'm waiting for someone to recommend liver....any minute now...

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B8592e62f9804ddabae73c1103d6bcb9

(1956)

on July 29, 2012
at 09:32 PM

You have low testosterone because the sex hormones are made from cholesterol, specifically LDL. Your total cholesterol is very low, lowest all cause mortality risk is 200-240/260mg/dl: http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/tedhutchinson/cholesterol-mortality.gif

It's strange your cholesterol is so low while eating plenty of good fats, and that you have a deficiency in zinc, of which meat is plentiful. It's possible you have poor absorption, do you have or have had gastrointestinal issues? If this is the case then repairing the digestive will really help. To do so I recommend gelatinous broth (as gut cells can feed directly on gelatin) and the removal of FODMAPs.

Low stomach acid will also reduce absorption of nutrients. You have test is easily at home, just swallow 1/2tsp bicarb dissolved in a little water first thing in the morning, if you burp after a minute or too you have plenty of stomach acid. To improve stomach acid production, make sure you get plenty of unrefined salt a the chloride is needed to make stomach acid. I little lemon juice in water or vinegar before meals improves stomach acid production as does broth and the juice from fermented vegetables.

Good sources of copper are liver and oysters. For zinc, meat. The ideal ratio for intake is ten times as much zinc as copper, with 15 and 1.5mg being a good minimum, up to ~30 and 3mg, respectively.

B8592e62f9804ddabae73c1103d6bcb9

(1956)

on August 01, 2012
at 10:47 AM

LDL number has little use as it's the LDL size that really matters. LDL size isn't normally measured but triglycerides are a good proxy, which lower tri's indicating large fluffy LDL which is safe and good as like I said sex hormones are made from LDL.

Df6dabaf4b1ef3d5db980ad64c501a5b

on July 30, 2012
at 03:31 AM

Bear in mind that cortisol is also made from cholesterol, and made preferentially over testosterone. Too much call for cortisol (from the chronic pain, maybe, or a common underlying stress?) could tap the supply of testosterone precursors.

D7935c2eebdf69216aa1929dcce59248

(15)

on July 31, 2012
at 09:19 PM

What is an optimal ldl / hdl split?

D7935c2eebdf69216aa1929dcce59248

(15)

on July 31, 2012
at 09:15 PM

Thanks for your knowledge. I should clarify that my cholesterol levels were taken prior to adopting a more cholesterol laden / healthy fat diet. I have no absorption issues that I know of, but I've admittedly not interrogated that question.

B8592e62f9804ddabae73c1103d6bcb9

(1956)

on August 01, 2012
at 10:48 AM

The most important ratio for CVD risk is tri/HDL, with under 2 being ideal.

D7935c2eebdf69216aa1929dcce59248

(15)

on August 01, 2012
at 06:26 PM

Okay, well my tri/hdl is 115/60. Perhaps a bit of good news. Thanks!

B8592e62f9804ddabae73c1103d6bcb9

(1956)

on August 07, 2012
at 02:06 PM

Are you eating any liver? Vitamin A is also needed to help the conversion of LDL to the sex hormones.

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Da51943abcc3acd29440fe001c29a6a4

on July 30, 2012
at 02:55 AM

Before going Paleo I had a similar issues with low T. The biggest culprit was shift work in a very stressful work environment. So if you are working to raise your T levels the first mandatory thing you have to do is make sure your sleep cycle is solid and you are sleeping until you damn near wake up on your own every morning. Also check your caffeine intake. Make sure you are eating plenty of green veggies for intestinal health for good absorption. Also, be weary of depression/anxiety meds as they are known to cause problems with testosterone. Good luck and please post results.

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4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

on July 29, 2012
at 09:16 PM

Your cholesterol is too low and may be contributing to your low testosterone and your depression.
Get it up to at least 150

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7550959f8a4a685094702d7951433a17

on January 14, 2013
at 11:44 AM

Your testosterone is definitely low and probably the only reason behind all that depression and muscle pain. You should go through some Ageless Male testimonials. This supplement will elevate your T levels and bring them within a tolerable range. You should also think of following up some form of exercise – lifting weights is the best way to pump up your muscles and T levels. If that's not for you, then do cardiovascular exercises which will increase energy metabolism and also boost low T.

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Df6dabaf4b1ef3d5db980ad64c501a5b

on July 30, 2012
at 03:27 AM

Did your tests include a check for serum levels of vitamin D? Low vitamin D is strongly linked to low testosterone and is easy to supplement.

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Ba09704971e33481f5716c4790648966

(1794)

on July 29, 2012
at 09:07 PM

How do you know you have those two mineral deficiencies?

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