Have you always loved your teeth?

Commented on October 28, 2014
Created October 26, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Hey guys, so i'm struggling with a personal battle. I'm really upset with myself. When I was younger I hated brushing my teeth. Then I got one cavity and went crazy and was obsessed with my teeth...then somewhere down the line I only brushed my teeth a few times a week for whatever reason and then I began paleo and thought I was super healthy and after reading Westin A price and taking cod liver oil thought I didn't have to bursh my teeth...so I would often fall asleep at night for about 6 months without brushing at night and then bam! I had 10 cavities when I went to the dentist. Went from 1 to 10...after that I have always brushed my teeth religiously and flossed...but I don't know what was wrong with me...how could I not want to brush my teeth? I feel insane...like I took my teeth for granted. I've managed to heal some cavities through diet and supplements...but I look around and I feel like everyone knows to brush their teeth twice a day and don't question it...but I on the other hand questioned it and found night brushing a nuisance...I guess I just didn't understand how cavities work and now I understand the science behind it. I thought mornign brushing was enough! Maybe it's from poor habbits and ignorance...My family always ate dinner late...at like 8 or 9 and then I would be tired and fall asleep. My mouth never felt too gross or anything but that late night eating carried over to college where I couldn't pull myself out of bed to brush my teeth cause I thought brushing them in the mornign was enough. I feel like dentists never really educated me but I can't say it's their fault. I'm just so sad that I took my teeth for granted and feel like an idiot! I'm only 22

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on October 27, 2014
at 12:32 PM

The problem with pseudoscience, like that which the Weston A. Price foundation promotes, is that it is not based on actual proven science but rather an agenda with a specific purpose. They show pictures of people with healthy teeth and say "these people with healthy teeth ate traditional diets, therefore if you eat traditional diets, you will have healthy teeth". 

They don't show any actual scientific evidence or proof for their studies with clinical trials where they compare the outcomes of "traditional diets" vs. brushing your teeth everyday and instead expect you to believe them on blind faith. They also do the same thing with raw dairy, which is why there are big outbreaks of contaminated raw dairy every now and then. They simply want to promote an agenda with little scientific proof regardless of how it might harm some people.

I'm sorry that you fell for their bad advice, sadly this could have happened to anyone who doesn't understand the way in which the Weston A. Price foundation works. See, they don't actually use science, they use logical fallacies like the appeal to tradition and the appeal to nature

They imply that because something had been done in the past, it must be good and safe (appeal to tradition) or that because something is natural it must be safe (apeal to nature). If you think about it this is utterly false and misguided. Example 1: in the past people also got cavities and lost a lot of teeth, specially in agricultural societies where the main food source was grains. Example 2: fruit juice is 100% natural but it will rot your teeth just like table sugar. 

The Weston A. Price foundation only selects the cases where people don't lose their teeth and those are the pictures they show you (along with a cute story of how nice things were in tha past). What they don't show you is the 56 year old villager whose teeth fell out while eating a traditional diet.

The main cause of tooth decay is acids in the mouth that reacts with the enamel in the teeth and causes it to deteriorate. Whenever you eat carbohydrates, either as sugar or starches that turn to sugar in the mouth (the amylase in your mouth will break down starches into simpe sugars), the anaerobic bacteria in your mouth will ferment these sugars into compounds which are acidic (lactic acid, acetic acid, etc and also carbonic acid (which is just carbon dioxide dissolved in water). These acids react with your enamel and destroy it. Also if you consume certain foods that are acidic (like lemons, oranges, pineapple, etc) this process would be accelerated even further as the acids form the fruits in combination with the sugars would be extremely harmful to the teeth.

Summary: brush your teeth and don't listen to quacks who ignore science in order to promote their pseudoscientific agenda.



on October 28, 2014
at 10:54 AM

If it's pseudoscience, then why is it that we only see tooth decay in skeletons from agrarian societies and not in HGs?  Did hunter gatherers have access to toothpaste and toothbrushes while agrarians did not? I  doubt that.


And what evidence do you have of this so called occasional outbreaks of contaminated raw dairy?


Sounds to me that *you* have an agenda.  AFAIK WAPF want to show how HGs lived, not farmers.  Very few if any HGs have had access to lemons, oranges, pineapples, or grains in large amounts.  Sure, they tell you how to process traditional foods by fermenting grains, but that's the wrong path to follow - that's still based on an agricultural diet.


If your're on a paleo diet, you need to look at WAPF recommendations through a paleo lens, and filter out the grains, whether fermented or not.  And certainly, you should brush your teeth, but still supplement with proper sources of vitamin D and A from things like cod liver oil, liver, etc. 


The next question is what do you brush your teeth with?  If the answer is something like sweetened commercial toothpaste full of nasty toxins like SLES, titanium paint to whiten teeth, etc., abrasives that scrape off enamel, actual bits of plastic, then that's the wrong answer.  Either make your own toothpaste or find something acceptable.






on October 28, 2014
at 11:54 AM

He may not have shown pictures of every single person but he did give percentages of people with cavities in a given "tribe". 

"In the Masai tribe, a study of 2,516 teeth in eighty-eight individuals distributed through several widely separated manyatas showed only four individuals with caries. These had a total of ten carious teeth, or only 0.4 per cent of the teeth attacked by tooth decay. In contrast with the Masai, the Kikuyu tribe are characterized by being primarily an agricultural people. Their chief articles of diet are sweet potatoes, corn, beans, and some bananas, millet, and Kafir corn, a variety of Indian millet. The women use special diets during gestation and lactation. The Kikuyus are not as tall as the Masai and physically they are much less rugged... A study of 1,041 teeth in thirty-three individuals showed fifty-seven teeth with caries or 5.5 per cent. There were 36.4 per cent of the individuals affected."

Weston Price figured it was the amount of fat soluble vitamins that each group was getting that made the difference. That is probably one piece of the puzzle but I'm sure there are many factors involved, however modern dental science doesn't seem to eager to follow up on any of this, probably because the drill and fill method makes more money. It's kind of funny because Weston Price was the founder and head of the research section of the American Dental Association, but they seem to have ignored any of his findings.

All that being said, brushing still seems to be a good, cheap and simple way to mitigate some of the damage caused by a less than adequate diet. Maybe if the Masai brushed then those 4 people wouldn't have had cavities.




on October 28, 2014
at 08:29 PM

Good intake of vitamin K2 and calcium are the parts of those traditional diets believed to help teeth. So in addition to brushing, maybe take foods rich in calcium and a few drops Thorne K2 daily, to make up for all the vitamin K2 you didn't take growing up. Or consume foods rich in K2, which are dairy fat from grassfed cows, and organs such as liver, kidney, tongue, pancreas, tripe. 

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