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Fluoride and bone strength

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 25, 2013 at 8:30 PM

According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_toxicity), excessive fluoride can lead to dental fluorosis and a weakening of bones, but evidently one woman who FOD'd had strengthening of the bones (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/03/24/460558/). How might that have happened?

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on March 26, 2013
at 10:47 AM

The side effects were mostly gastric pain so I don't think it has much relevance to this discussion.

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on March 25, 2013
at 10:48 PM

BMD peaks in women around age 30, she is 47 and has drank tea for 17 years. If her BMD is high it is very unlikely because of the fluoride. But overall that article is junk science/pro fluoride propaganda.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 25, 2013
at 10:07 PM

I don't care if she has a high Bone Density, she did NOT get a high bone density from fluoride. I mean, there is a very strong correlation between BMD and less dental caries. If ALL of your teeth fall out, teeth are bones, your bones are NOT in good condition, this shouldn't be at all controversial. Those doctors are bat shit crazy saying otherwise.

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on March 25, 2013
at 09:46 PM

Good call. In the first study, 'fifty-four women in the fluoride group and 24 in the placebo group had side effects sufficiently severe to warrant dose reduction'. Since 24/69 people in the placebo group had major side effects, maybe that 1500 mg Ca supplement was part of the problem.

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on March 25, 2013
at 09:01 PM

Well if the doctor's just full of shit, that's one thing, but the article says that she still has a high bone density that leaves her bones heavy and sore. Clearly they're not in good condition. Why do you say that bone density wasn't tested?

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A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on March 25, 2013
at 09:22 PM

Large amounts of fluoride can increase the density of bones while also increasing their fragility and likelihood of fracture.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199003223221203

And hey, maybe something else in the tea, like vitamin K, helped her bones.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00223-002-2084-4?LI=true

6864d23c49952605b2a97d6256af804d

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on March 25, 2013
at 09:46 PM

Good call. In the first study, 'fifty-four women in the fluoride group and 24 in the placebo group had side effects sufficiently severe to warrant dose reduction'. Since 24/69 people in the placebo group had major side effects, maybe that 1500 mg Ca supplement was part of the problem.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on March 26, 2013
at 10:47 AM

The side effects were mostly gastric pain so I don't think it has much relevance to this discussion.

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 25, 2013
at 08:42 PM

A doctor just said she has very strong bones. They weren't actually tested.. Also, she lost all her teeth, you really think her bones are in good condition?

6864d23c49952605b2a97d6256af804d

(726)

on March 25, 2013
at 09:01 PM

Well if the doctor's just full of shit, that's one thing, but the article says that she still has a high bone density that leaves her bones heavy and sore. Clearly they're not in good condition. Why do you say that bone density wasn't tested?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 25, 2013
at 10:07 PM

I don't care if she has a high Bone Density, she did NOT get a high bone density from fluoride. I mean, there is a very strong correlation between BMD and less dental caries. If ALL of your teeth fall out, teeth are bones, your bones are NOT in good condition, this shouldn't be at all controversial. Those doctors are bat shit crazy saying otherwise.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 25, 2013
at 10:48 PM

BMD peaks in women around age 30, she is 47 and has drank tea for 17 years. If her BMD is high it is very unlikely because of the fluoride. But overall that article is junk science/pro fluoride propaganda.

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