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Do you have any experience with epigentic orthodontic dental appliances?

Asked on October 03, 2014
Created July 07, 2011 at 8:23 AM

Pretty in Primal has a fascinating post about epigenetic orthodontics -- that talks about the effects of dental appliances such as the DNA Applicance.

Have any PaleoHackers used these or similar techniques/tools? If so, please share your experience.

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it could be considered semi-paleo if you are reversing the poor growth patterns cause by non-paleo living during childhood.... bad diet=sub optimal bone development

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Ee7c5b7b9d4cd48d61dc259e6966a725

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on July 07, 2011
at 01:06 PM

Not paleo, but here is an interesting blog of someone using the "DNA appliance", in case you haven't come across it. Seems it costs $8,000. Ouch.

http://epiorthodontics.blogspot.com/

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on February 02, 2013
at 06:09 PM

I used the appliance and had nothing but a horrible, horrible, experience. There is no "science" that I can find behind the "idea" sure there are some case studies, and most of them are on children where the palate has not closed. There is much debate where a palate expander can be used in an adult. My experience says "NO" instead, the expander flared out the my back teeth causing bone spurs and actual opening of the gum leaving about a 3cm spot in my mouth with exposed bone. I had to have the exposed bone removed surgically, with the gums closed with sutures. Then, it that was not enough (it happened two separate times - each time my dentist who prescribed the appliance, attributed the exposed bone to something else) I had two upper crowns crack due to the pressure, and I now have a space between two teeth. And....during the time I was wearing the appliance, I had three accesses one that was so bad that I lost the tooth. Remember, this all occurred while wearing the appliance. I called the manufacturers of the DNA. They refused to send me any scientific information and would not answer my questions. Five surgeries later and and a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th opinion, all but my the original dentist who prescribed the appliance agree that the cause of my problems were due to the DNA appliance. I have been told that this is such cutting edge dentistry that all the others who have not had the training, don't understand. What I have found interesting, however, is that the five other friend that started using the DNA about the same time I did, have either quit using it because of additional dental issues caused by the DNA, or have stopped using it as an expander, but now use it only as a night guard.. an $8000 night guard. As one oral surgeon told me - Run away from this appliance as fast as you can...but then, who am I?

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on August 03, 2012
at 02:08 PM

I'm torn. The arguments sound reasonable, but everything reads like an infomercial or a blog that's designed just to be an advertisement for this. It doesn't pass the smell test for me.

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on August 03, 2012
at 01:38 PM

This is Dave Sings work, I think that he has some interesting theory behind it but it is not translated into a cohesive treatment concept, the braces is just pushing the teeth buccally, outwards, that is not activating any particular type of cell specifically. And it is not focused on the cause.

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on October 03, 2014
at 12:34 PM

Sounds interesting, I'm currently considering this option to correct my narrow bite and make room for all of my teeth. I don't khow about all the "Epigenetics" jazz, sounds like marketing hype to me, but the core idea of expanding the jaw pallette to make room for the teeth you have (vs extraction) and increasing the volume of your sinus cavity in the process (possibly affecting snoring) seems like it's worth looking into... But $8,000! Yikes, and does that include the top and bottom, or just the top?

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on July 16, 2013
at 01:20 AM

I've been wearing a DNA for 10 months and movement has been very very slow. If I couldn't visibly see the appliance widening I'm not sure I would believe it. It's incredibly uncomfortable and I definitely can only wear it while sleeping. It gives me crazy headaches so I'm adjusting even slower than I was before. Now it has expanded some, but my bite is completely out of whack. It has made absolutely no difference in my snoring or my sleep apnea so far. Sleep studies confirm this, not just anecdotal. My ortho agrees.

The best thing I ever did for my nasal breathing problems was break my nose (accidentally). I guess I took that deviated septum and shoved it into a better position because I instantly could breathe better. (Do not try that at home.)

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on June 08, 2012
at 08:30 PM

While I think this is really cool--the idea of using bleeding-edge science to reactivate dormant growth cells and reconfigure the shape/position of your skull--I have to question how paleo it would be considered. I mean, come on, Grok probably didn't have access to genetic therapies ;)

My only real concern is that this is so new, there is basically no long term data on its effects. Reactivating dormant cell growth would certainly make me weary of increased cancer risks, especially in cases where Invisalign systems are an option. YMMV. Thanks for bringing this coolness onto my radar though.

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on August 23, 2012
at 04:16 AM

it could be considered semi-paleo if you are reversing the poor growth patterns cause by non-paleo living during childhood.... bad diet=sub optimal bone development

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on June 08, 2012
at 08:08 PM

Hi I am also using the DNA appliance and am blogging about it. You can follow my progress or let me know if you have questions. Dnasmiles.blogspot.com

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