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Braces, rotten teeth, how to clean it?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 20, 2012 at 6:01 AM

Has anyone been in my situation? This happened recently, only two days ago. I've always had that 'rotten' taste once in a while when I suck on my braces, but after I went paleo and began brushing with coconut oil, the smell became rampant. I just put my finger where the rotting area is and my finger has that rotten smell to it.

I don't think the coconut oil/paleo is what caused the problem though, as once I went paleo and stopped using toothpaste, my teeth sensitivity disappeared and the other cavity I had involving nerves.. disappeared. And it's much easier to clean my teeth with oil than toothpaste or soap, especially with the braces and all.

But this one area.. I took a look with a small mirror and it looked fine. The braces were clean, the teeth look fine and clean, but there is smell coming from there and the gum is bloated, scarred, and it hurt. I don't know what the problem is, and my dentist is in another state at the moment.

How do I go about cleaning this? Anyone go through this before?

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on March 06, 2012
at 09:08 PM

That's great, Dave! I'd mentioned that I used a baking soda rinse to brush with when I last saw my hygienist. She said that because it neutralized any acid left over from bits of food and drink, it prohibited bacteria from forming in the mouth which, in turn, led to better oral health. It doesn't kill bacteria like Listerine does, but it's easier on the mouth because it restores pH and doesn't dry it out.

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on March 03, 2012
at 02:20 AM

I've tried the baking soda rinses, they taste so bad but they help. I think xylitol helps too. I brush my teeth with coconut oil and xylitol. Even though the thread floss doesn't fit inside the infected area, I used it for other places and it's not bleeding. It's been days since I posted the question, my infected area doesn't hurt, swell, or smell anymore (no smell at all). I think I am doing something right.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on March 02, 2012
at 12:25 PM

Also, gingivitis and periodontal disease doesn't happen overnight. It takes months and years of improper oral hygiene for bacteria to become a chronic problem. While oil pulling may be a "Paleo" way to clean your teeth, having braces isn't very Paleo and you need to use modern methods like waterpiks and floss to get all of the cooties out from between the brackets.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on March 01, 2012
at 11:54 AM

They are going to bleed because your gums are infected. Plus, the braces have pulled your teeth tightly together which makes it difficult to thread a piece of floss through them. Blood can help flush out the bacteria. Since you can't afford a waterpik or other, gentler means of cleaning under the gumline, you're stuck with floss. Have you tried the baking soda rinses?

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

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on February 23, 2012
at 07:04 AM

Thanks, I read that already, which convinced me to try xylitol. I just find it weird that I cannot find others who had the same issues I did with xylitol.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 22, 2012
at 03:13 PM

Hmmm...Here's a link on paleo hacks. http://paleohacks.com/questions/19088/xylitol-pros-and-cons#axzz1n7jjNBDI. I've never used xylitol but I do get some pain with my hydrogen peroxide sometimes. It goes away as well and I continue using it. I think further experimentation will flesh it out.

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

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on February 22, 2012
at 09:35 AM

My rotten bracket smell is virtually gone now, hasn't come back for the whole day. I rinsed with xylitol and it seems the xylitol (if taken in high concentration) gives me tooth pain on this one area of my mouth that used to be sensitive, but then the pain settles down eventually. Should I still continue using it?

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

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on February 22, 2012
at 09:19 AM

Nemesis, I tried using the floss threader on the area where the smelly bracket was. I tried fitting it between the teeth but wasn't able to as the threader didn't fit. Instead while trying, I poked the gum and it bled. Are you sure it's worth it?

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 22, 2012
at 04:38 AM

@ Nemesis. I did! I did not expect it to be that BAD! ahhh haha.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on February 22, 2012
at 12:01 AM

I hope you didn't use straight ACV!

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on February 21, 2012
at 11:55 PM

Straight ACV is the absolute WORST thing you can put in your mouth. Might as well suck on a lemon. http://www.amazing-green-tea.com/apple-cider-vinegar-side-effects.html

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 21, 2012
at 09:06 PM

This is the truth!!!!

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

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on February 21, 2012
at 08:19 PM

Bone broth definitely helps. Paleo foods are amazing.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 21, 2012
at 04:28 AM

oh and by the way...i tried the apple cider vinegar tonight and almost hurled. going to stick to just using it for my bone broth.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 21, 2012
at 04:27 AM

Dave. Read this article. Not sure on the dosage either. I really like her use of the capsules though. http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/how-i-healed-my-childs-cavity/

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

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on February 21, 2012
at 01:46 AM

I am going to pretty much the same thing your son has gone through. Except that my breath is fine. I should get back to oil pulling again..

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

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on February 21, 2012
at 01:44 AM

I just began taking the capsules yesterday (thats when they arrived). I take four a day. Do you think that's good enough? I researched for the dosage but there's too many varying opinions. I don't think the acidic nature of ACV is good for your teeth, though. Maybe for the gums, but not for the teeth.

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on February 21, 2012
at 12:46 AM

I've flossed since I was really young, so my gums had plenty of time to adapt to it. No matter how gentle I was, it bled. I quit flossing a year ago and my gums bled less since then. There are a lot of dentists in my family so I was taught many ways how to floss. I used to do it the way you instructed. Still didn't help.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on February 20, 2012
at 11:59 PM

Dave, your gums will bleed when you start flossing, especially if you've never done it regularly and you already have inflammation. Mine did after I started doing it (and it hurt). Took a week for them to stop doing it, and they haven't bled since. Also, how were you flossing? You need to move the thread up and down each side of the tooth, as far down into the gumline as you can.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 20, 2012
at 09:59 PM

The hydrogen peroxide is for vanity. (White teeth) It supposedly has enzymes in it though that disperse bacteria off the teeth. Just don't swallow it. It's cheap and seems to get in between the teeth well. Might be good with your braces. If you can afford it you might try the butter/cod liver capsules from Green Pastures. I just sprung for my first supply. Also...I used to brush with coarse sea salt. I really liked that too and will probably cycle back. I'm going to try swishing with apple cider vinegar too. And.. I agree. It IS mind blowing! Nice to shirk conventional tooth wisdom.

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on February 20, 2012
at 09:49 PM

Korion, I don't know if bone meal is all that safe in the era of prion diseases. I know an FDA veterinarian with an infectious disease specialty, and he told my (cattle raising) family NO MORE bone meal, brains, etc etc. And he's no alarmist. Dude doesn't even try to eat organic.

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on February 20, 2012
at 09:26 PM

I second this...my water pik was invaluable when I had braces, especially after being naughty and eating popcorn (in my pre-paleo, pre-anything resembling healthy days).

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

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on February 20, 2012
at 09:14 PM

I have eaten butter for two months now. I use Smjor and Kerrygold. I think brushing with coconut oil is actually what "exposed" the rot and let out all the bacteria from my bracket, as when I began brushing with coconut oil, my teeth, even the brackets and all, had ZERO scraps on them. Blew my mind. I don't see my dentist for another month, but hopefully continuing with good food and cleaning my teeth properly will get all the bacteria out. What's the hydrogen peroxide for?

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

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on February 20, 2012
at 09:10 PM

I don't visit him for another month. I think the glue issue is very possible. I will call him tomorrow to tell him as today is Washington's day. And yeah paleo definitely helped. After cutting out SAD food, I never had any weird taste nor breath again, even in the morning unless I eat a SAD food again. The area smells of rot, but my mouth taste and breath in general is still fine. It's only when I put my finger there and smell my finger it smells like tonsils. ):

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

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on February 20, 2012
at 09:05 PM

I tried the salt water, it works a bit. The smell isn't that bad now, it's slowly decreasing but it's still there.

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

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on February 20, 2012
at 09:02 PM

I used to regularly floss before I got braces (a year ago), and also bled and had bloated gums even then. Flossing only made it worse, and the bloatedness/bleeding stopped after I gave up on flossing. After I got my braces, I only used a water pick before I moved. I don't have the pick anymore nor do I have the money/room for it. I might be able to get blunt syringes to put water in, though. I use those floss picks and toothpicks. Now that you mention it, I probably do have gingivitis. I will look into the floss threaders you mentioned, but not very sure if non-flossing was the problem here.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on February 20, 2012
at 05:40 PM

Just because you don't have any cavities doesn't mean your gums are in good shape. I've heard many dentists lament about their patients' perfectly white teeth be at risk of falling out due to periodontal disease.

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on February 20, 2012
at 12:41 PM

Baking soda makes my teeth so white :D! I found that bone meal works too. I'm really washing my teeth with weird things these days ...

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45e51fee7d295e523ff4134f76c3ba05

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on February 20, 2012
at 12:40 PM

If you don't already own a water pick, I would highly suggest getting one. Flossing is difficult with braces and you will be amazed at the amount of nastiness that the water pick will flush out. Those little disposable interdental picks work great too.

1296f5fecd084f101d7c5fbe013f07eb

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on February 20, 2012
at 09:26 PM

I second this...my water pik was invaluable when I had braces, especially after being naughty and eating popcorn (in my pre-paleo, pre-anything resembling healthy days).

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1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on February 20, 2012
at 11:56 AM

Do you floss? What sort of toothbrush do you use? That rotten taste is bacteria and you should only have that taste in your mouth when you first wake up in the morning. It should NOT persist throughout the day.

Most likely the area is inflamed due to bacterial overgrowth. Regular flossing (really getting under the gumline, not just running a piece between your teeth) is a must. I've found that rinsing with a baking soda wash neutralizes the acid in my mouth and cuts off the food supply for bacteria. Otherwise I also get inflamed gums, canker sores and that funky taste in my mouth.

Pick up a pack of floss threaders and some waxed floss (not the "tape", as that's too wide to fit between your braces). Floss, brush and rinse with baking soda. You probably have the first stage of gingivitis, which, if left unchecked, can develop into periodontal disease. Rinse with the baking soda after each meal to neutralize acid in the mouth.

I didn't take care of my mouth for the 3 1/2 years I had braces, and I had terrible breath and puffy gums. Despite the permanent sublingual wire on the backs of my lower teeth, I've managed to keep gunk from building up in and around the wire. Flossing thoroughly is the only thing that can keep the area clean.

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

(1453)

on February 21, 2012
at 12:46 AM

I've flossed since I was really young, so my gums had plenty of time to adapt to it. No matter how gentle I was, it bled. I quit flossing a year ago and my gums bled less since then. There are a lot of dentists in my family so I was taught many ways how to floss. I used to do it the way you instructed. Still didn't help.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on February 20, 2012
at 11:59 PM

Dave, your gums will bleed when you start flossing, especially if you've never done it regularly and you already have inflammation. Mine did after I started doing it (and it hurt). Took a week for them to stop doing it, and they haven't bled since. Also, how were you flossing? You need to move the thread up and down each side of the tooth, as far down into the gumline as you can.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on February 20, 2012
at 12:41 PM

Baking soda makes my teeth so white :D! I found that bone meal works too. I'm really washing my teeth with weird things these days ...

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

(1453)

on February 20, 2012
at 09:02 PM

I used to regularly floss before I got braces (a year ago), and also bled and had bloated gums even then. Flossing only made it worse, and the bloatedness/bleeding stopped after I gave up on flossing. After I got my braces, I only used a water pick before I moved. I don't have the pick anymore nor do I have the money/room for it. I might be able to get blunt syringes to put water in, though. I use those floss picks and toothpicks. Now that you mention it, I probably do have gingivitis. I will look into the floss threaders you mentioned, but not very sure if non-flossing was the problem here.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on February 20, 2012
at 09:49 PM

Korion, I don't know if bone meal is all that safe in the era of prion diseases. I know an FDA veterinarian with an infectious disease specialty, and he told my (cattle raising) family NO MORE bone meal, brains, etc etc. And he's no alarmist. Dude doesn't even try to eat organic.

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on February 20, 2012
at 07:54 AM

I would try swishing with salt water first. Then maybe try calling the dentist and see what they have to say? Let them know you are a patient there but are currently in a different state. Also vitamin K2 is supposed to be REALLY good for oral health. Check out this site (It's currently down for updating but should be back up soon) http://wellnessmama.com/1756/reverse-tooth-decay-and-avoid-braces-by-changing-one-dietary-factor/

http://wellnessmama.com/3650/how-to-remineralize-teeth-naturally/

Good luck!

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

(1453)

on February 20, 2012
at 09:05 PM

I tried the salt water, it works a bit. The smell isn't that bad now, it's slowly decreasing but it's still there.

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on February 20, 2012
at 09:25 PM

My son (11 yo) last year had a period of time he had bad breath. That rotten smell and the gums were puffy above the area. If anyone touched the area the rotten smell would be on the fingers. The tooth looked fine for awhile (could see a little darkness along gum line eventually) but I kept checking. Nothing seemed to work completely (baking soda, salt water,hydrogen peroxide) and eventually the gums blistered. The hydrogen peroxide I think helped clear it up. I feared some type of abscess and watched it closely. It was in a baby tooth that I knew he would lose. We began oil pullings which helped much. I increased his cod liver oil and began looking for good source of K2. The tooth became loose and was yanked by his father about a month ago. We found the rotting happened on the sides of the tooth and it had an entire hole through it. The cavity could not be seen pinned between his teeth. We have removed all grains and beans from the diet and except for some raw dairy are practicing 100% LCHF Paleo now.

He has been taking the cod liver oil and butter oil capsules and his teeth and gums are doing great. I continue to have him do oil pullings as well, we use the recommended sunflower oil but I add a little coconut because he likes the tastes. Of course, this is not swallowed. I swear by OP as the plaque build up has decreased in all our mouths and teeth are whiter, gums pinker and in my case, one chronic inflamed area reduces when I OP.

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

(1453)

on February 21, 2012
at 01:46 AM

I am going to pretty much the same thing your son has gone through. Except that my breath is fine. I should get back to oil pulling again..

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on February 20, 2012
at 05:35 PM

It's really important to see your ortho if you notice bacterial overgrowth. Bacteria can get under the glue of your pads where you can't get to it and ruin the tooth surface underneath. Your ortho might need to take the pad off and re-bond it after a good cleaning. You might not be able to see the area of rottenness as it could be under the braces pad.

I had braces for almost four years and I never had any smell/taste of rotting, even first waking up in the morning. You may need to try cleaning your teeth after every meal and snack, especially if there is sugar in it (although being paleo obviously helps in this respect).

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

(1453)

on February 20, 2012
at 09:10 PM

I don't visit him for another month. I think the glue issue is very possible. I will call him tomorrow to tell him as today is Washington's day. And yeah paleo definitely helped. After cutting out SAD food, I never had any weird taste nor breath again, even in the morning unless I eat a SAD food again. The area smells of rot, but my mouth taste and breath in general is still fine. It's only when I put my finger there and smell my finger it smells like tonsils. ):

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on February 20, 2012
at 02:29 PM

How about using a water pik or other water irrigator?

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C6e32ff9978fe287aa8c1c6be52d9524

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:38 PM

African chew sticks! Been using them for almost a year. They work like magic. That and the plastic toothpicks (that have floss on one side and a pick on the other) with a pointed end. More precision to work with. You can control the pressure, picking, etc a lot more than with toothpicks/brushes/etc.

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on June 06, 2012
at 11:39 AM

Don't ignore this, have your ortho look into it. Periodontal risks are high when moving teeth with braces because you actually break/reform "bonds" between the gum and your teeth. Couple this with hygiene challenges (flossing is tedious if even possible) and it makes you extra infection prone. Many orthos are more concerned with perio disease than cavities.

Personally, I'd not worry too much about antibiotic treatments being paleo or not if you have an infection. Xylitol rinses may do the trick, but if you have an infection under the gumline, you probably need something stronger. I'm not trying to scare you, just have it looked at and better safe than sorry.

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8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

on February 21, 2012
at 08:24 PM

I've been cleaning my mouth with coconut, vanilla, and xylitol. Oil pulling with the same thing as well. My gums have settled and the odor is getting less and less. Sometimes dabbing the infected area with hydrogen peroxide. Still looking for floss threaders. I called the dentist to let him know that I am having issues with the teeth.

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7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 20, 2012
at 08:36 PM

You might also try supplementing your diet with some good pastured butter. I use Organic Valley in the green package. I have found it helps my kids teeth and my teeth. I brush with baking soda gently and do coconut oil pulling. I also swish with hydrogen peroxide.

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

(1453)

on February 21, 2012
at 01:44 AM

I just began taking the capsules yesterday (thats when they arrived). I take four a day. Do you think that's good enough? I researched for the dosage but there's too many varying opinions. I don't think the acidic nature of ACV is good for your teeth, though. Maybe for the gums, but not for the teeth.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on February 21, 2012
at 11:55 PM

Straight ACV is the absolute WORST thing you can put in your mouth. Might as well suck on a lemon. http://www.amazing-green-tea.com/apple-cider-vinegar-side-effects.html

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 21, 2012
at 04:27 AM

Dave. Read this article. Not sure on the dosage either. I really like her use of the capsules though. http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/how-i-healed-my-childs-cavity/

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 21, 2012
at 09:06 PM

This is the truth!!!!

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 20, 2012
at 09:59 PM

The hydrogen peroxide is for vanity. (White teeth) It supposedly has enzymes in it though that disperse bacteria off the teeth. Just don't swallow it. It's cheap and seems to get in between the teeth well. Might be good with your braces. If you can afford it you might try the butter/cod liver capsules from Green Pastures. I just sprung for my first supply. Also...I used to brush with coarse sea salt. I really liked that too and will probably cycle back. I'm going to try swishing with apple cider vinegar too. And.. I agree. It IS mind blowing! Nice to shirk conventional tooth wisdom.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on February 22, 2012
at 12:01 AM

I hope you didn't use straight ACV!

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

(1453)

on February 20, 2012
at 09:14 PM

I have eaten butter for two months now. I use Smjor and Kerrygold. I think brushing with coconut oil is actually what "exposed" the rot and let out all the bacteria from my bracket, as when I began brushing with coconut oil, my teeth, even the brackets and all, had ZERO scraps on them. Blew my mind. I don't see my dentist for another month, but hopefully continuing with good food and cleaning my teeth properly will get all the bacteria out. What's the hydrogen peroxide for?

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 21, 2012
at 04:28 AM

oh and by the way...i tried the apple cider vinegar tonight and almost hurled. going to stick to just using it for my bone broth.

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

(1453)

on February 21, 2012
at 08:19 PM

Bone broth definitely helps. Paleo foods are amazing.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 22, 2012
at 04:38 AM

@ Nemesis. I did! I did not expect it to be that BAD! ahhh haha.

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

(1453)

on February 23, 2012
at 07:04 AM

Thanks, I read that already, which convinced me to try xylitol. I just find it weird that I cannot find others who had the same issues I did with xylitol.

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

(1453)

on February 22, 2012
at 09:35 AM

My rotten bracket smell is virtually gone now, hasn't come back for the whole day. I rinsed with xylitol and it seems the xylitol (if taken in high concentration) gives me tooth pain on this one area of my mouth that used to be sensitive, but then the pain settles down eventually. Should I still continue using it?

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 22, 2012
at 03:13 PM

Hmmm...Here's a link on paleo hacks. http://paleohacks.com/questions/19088/xylitol-pros-and-cons#axzz1n7jjNBDI. I've never used xylitol but I do get some pain with my hydrogen peroxide sometimes. It goes away as well and I continue using it. I think further experimentation will flesh it out.

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on February 20, 2012
at 04:46 PM

Brush those teeth! Make sure all food is brushed away from every space between the metal. Get a tiny micro brush that you can fish in between the wires. And don't forget to floss! I reeked havoc on my teeth after 3 years of braces. I just didn't care much about my teeth back then, I just brushed my teeth everyday as if I didn't have braces so I missed food bits that turned into plaque. After the braces came off I had loads of permanent white marks (stains from plaque buildup), soft spots, and permanent scratch marks from when my dentists tried scraping away all the plaque buildup I had when I had my braces, they scraped away bits of my teeth. Its so important to brush!

I also recommend you to floss, I didn't and my gums became extremely sensitive and hurt whenever I tried flossing after my braces came off. When I'd go to the dentist and they floss for me it was so painful!

Don't be me! I'm now a freak about my teeth, my gums have healed (after years of work) and teeth have gotten better.

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on June 06, 2012
at 05:58 AM

To get rid of rotten teeth and any teeth problem one has to brush daily with mustard oil and add some salt in it. it will prevent your jaws from swelling. If your teeth is not straight, braces will help you to make your teeth straight and it also take cares abouth the health of your teeth.- Braces in Dublin

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