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What has been your most fruitful self-experimentation?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 15, 2010 at 8:08 AM

Like many of you, I'm sure, I'm a huge fan of Seth Roberts and his pioneering work in self-experimentation (-something Brent Pottenger also writes wonderfully about. As it happens, both of them are involved in the Ancestral Health Symposium). I've come to think that, while scientific evidence has a vital place in finding out about our bodies, there is always a lot that will, for various reasons, fly under the radar of the scientific establishment. Self-experimentation is the key to finding out a lot of that stuff.

I think self-experimentation is especially fruitful when people share their results with others, thus this question: What have you found out through your own experiments? Also, I'd be very interested in any methodological thoughts y'all might have.

As for myself, the most useful thing I can remember finding out was long before I went paleo. I found that certain kinds of pu'er tea killed my craving for tobacco.

Anyway, I'd be grateful for your thoughts!

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on September 19, 2010
at 02:35 AM

Great point with sleep and cravings

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on September 16, 2010
at 02:14 PM

i ditched toothpaste about three months ago, too. awesome. I do use bronnor's normal liquid soap to brush my teeth in the AM and PM just to feel a little fresher. However, i floss twice a day. I have been told that the mechanical action of brushing and flossing is the important part of the entire oral hygiene equation, rather than the chemical aspect of any cleanser.

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on September 15, 2010
at 08:10 PM

Check out http://inhumanexperiment.blogspot.com/

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at 08:08 PM

I really liked the psmf cycled.days of 1000 calories protein/meat cycled with pig out days of 5000+ calories and high healthy carbs. Great for when you get real low Bf% and need an umpf

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on September 15, 2010
at 03:26 PM

Hi - well, I always feel great the morning I wake up in roughly hour 35 or so. I also generally lose the (approximately) one pound a week I currently lose around that time of the week (lots of factors involved here but I've come to this conclusion). Mentally, when you know you can do a 40 hour fast, the 16 hour ones are a piece of cake (sorry - paleo version should perhaps be a piece of steak).

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on September 15, 2010
at 02:50 PM

Im with GGPrimal: on July 13th i started eating only animal products. Im still continuing. I too love my veggies, but i was so interested to see how my enery levels would be, how my bowels, would act, what my skin would like etc. And its great. I will admit that there was about one week of adjustment with low energy, etc but now i am totally rocking. And this has really really left my almost anti-fiber. Im still once/day regular as hell no worries, with absolutely zero plant matter for three months. No gas, no bloat ever (even after like two pounds of meat and fat at a meal, etc).

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on September 15, 2010
at 02:17 PM

I give my kids (and myself) a little bit of butter/coconut oil in the evening.

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on September 15, 2010
at 01:54 PM

Fructose malabsorption

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I brush intermittently, no flouride. Just when my teeth feel fuzzy. No cavities great dental health... I used to have regular issues prediet with brushing daily+

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on September 15, 2010
at 01:47 PM

Butter seems to help with my gum issue also. Actually my gum issues have almost totally disappeared, except when I eat somewhat sugary foods- like the occasional "red cooked pork" where sugar is added to the sauce.

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at 01:45 PM

Hi CT, do you find you get additional benefit from a 40 hour fast, as opposed to the 16-20 hour one many folks around here seem to do?

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I've seen this personally too, I eat properly prepared and cooked veggies for mineral supplementation, and the greater majority of my diet is meat/fat, with a little sweet potato for intense exercise recovery

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on September 15, 2010
at 10:29 AM

I could have never dreamed how much better I would feel eating purely meat and fat. I do love veggies for their flavour and variety, but I can't deny that every single aspect of my physiology runs better on pure animal products. Amazing. After a lifetime of being told I should eat loads of fibre, let alone how vital carbs were for energy and nutrients, it was stunning to discover that my guts actually ran more smoothly and I had more energy when I cut fibre out completely. For every suggestion of the necessity of the antioxidants & vitamins etc that are primarily provided by fruit & veg, the results of my carnivore experiments stand there and say "well maybe, but your metabolism & digestion won't operate as well." So I swing back and forth, always returning to meat-only to cleanse (how backward would the mainstream folks find that one?!) and get my system firing properly again.

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on September 15, 2010
at 11:22 AM

I've seen this personally too, I eat properly prepared and cooked veggies for mineral supplementation, and the greater majority of my diet is meat/fat, with a little sweet potato for intense exercise recovery

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on September 15, 2010
at 02:50 PM

Im with GGPrimal: on July 13th i started eating only animal products. Im still continuing. I too love my veggies, but i was so interested to see how my enery levels would be, how my bowels, would act, what my skin would like etc. And its great. I will admit that there was about one week of adjustment with low energy, etc but now i am totally rocking. And this has really really left my almost anti-fiber. Im still once/day regular as hell no worries, with absolutely zero plant matter for three months. No gas, no bloat ever (even after like two pounds of meat and fat at a meal, etc).

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on September 15, 2010
at 01:38 PM

While I have experienced huge successes with numerous "self-experimentations," none have been as fruitful as my dental issues. Some people might not agree with me, but I'll try to summarize my experiences below.

My experiment: I grew up with a TON of cavities and generally was considered to have very "soft" teeth. After going paleo, I noticed a huge reduction in the amount of "grime" in my mouth. After some research I decided to remove fluoride from environment completely (water, toothpaste, etc.) and without fluoride figured, "what is the point of toothpaste?" For over 7 months now, I have been brushing daily with baking soda, mostly just to remove any grime from my teeth. Once or twice a week I will use natural, fluoride-free and GLYCERIN-FREE toothpaste mixed with baking soda if my mouth feels particularly dirty. I swish nightly with coconut or butter oil for 5 - 10 minutes and only floss occasionally (1 - 2 times per month).

Conclusions: My recent dentist visit confirmed numerous things for me. One, my mouth looked "awesome" according to my dentist. Two, my receding gums were actually at healthy levels! Three, the two teeth that I had marked to watch because of pitting, etc. were no longer an issue. My dentist actually said he might have made a mistake because the pitting is just not an issue.

I know some people will disagree with this, but this has worked for me. To each his own :)

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on September 16, 2010
at 02:14 PM

i ditched toothpaste about three months ago, too. awesome. I do use bronnor's normal liquid soap to brush my teeth in the AM and PM just to feel a little fresher. However, i floss twice a day. I have been told that the mechanical action of brushing and flossing is the important part of the entire oral hygiene equation, rather than the chemical aspect of any cleanser.

89e238284ccb95b439edcff9e123671e

(10299)

on September 15, 2010
at 02:17 PM

I give my kids (and myself) a little bit of butter/coconut oil in the evening.

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

(1813)

on September 15, 2010
at 01:47 PM

Butter seems to help with my gum issue also. Actually my gum issues have almost totally disappeared, except when I eat somewhat sugary foods- like the occasional "red cooked pork" where sugar is added to the sauce.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on September 15, 2010
at 01:53 PM

I brush intermittently, no flouride. Just when my teeth feel fuzzy. No cavities great dental health... I used to have regular issues prediet with brushing daily+

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5841391284e7af8c495c54bd90d3a795

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on September 18, 2010
at 05:46 PM

  1. 12-19 hour fasts are not only doable but helpful for weight-loss.
  2. I overeat and eat poorly when I don't get enough sleep.
  3. thin-soled shoes (VFF and Vivo Barefoot) helped my do away with plantar fasciitis, though - I swear - I feel I have to learn how to walk all over again!

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 19, 2010
at 02:35 AM

Great point with sleep and cravings

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on September 16, 2010
at 12:43 PM

Dropping dairy has helped me get leaner, and lose inflammation. I didn't think it was a big deal, but once I dropped ALL dairy (including replacing the cream in my coffee with coconut cream) I started to feel better, I became more regular (TMI-sorry!), and I have become leaner in a short period of time. No dairy isn't for everyone, but has been good to me!

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on September 15, 2010
at 08:02 PM

I've been attempting a ketogenic version of a paleo diet for about a week or so now staying solidly under 30g of carbs except one day where I slipped and it was a "cheat" day but still not blowing it up too far. I've already dropped 3lbs of scale weight and I'm not hungry AT ALL the way I used to be even just free-eating paleo foods. I'm pretty impressed with the satiety factor as well as with the results. I miss piling on my veggies and it's more expensive to eat this much meat, but if it continues to work, I'll know my back-pocket lean-out plan for the future if I ever want to use it. Or maybe any leaning-out I do now will stick :)

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 15, 2010
at 08:08 PM

I really liked the psmf cycled.days of 1000 calories protein/meat cycled with pig out days of 5000+ calories and high healthy carbs. Great for when you get real low Bf% and need an umpf

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on September 15, 2010
at 10:24 AM

Longer fasts. When I wanted to lose weight and started a condensed eating window, I wondered what it would be like to do longer fasts. The first one was tough, then easier and easier. Now I do one 40 hour fast a week, from Sunday night to Tuesday lunchtime. Surprisingly easy, and erases any dietary slip-ups I have in the week. Before experimenting, I never would have thought I could do that, or would benefit from it.

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on September 15, 2010
at 03:26 PM

Hi - well, I always feel great the morning I wake up in roughly hour 35 or so. I also generally lose the (approximately) one pound a week I currently lose around that time of the week (lots of factors involved here but I've come to this conclusion). Mentally, when you know you can do a 40 hour fast, the 16 hour ones are a piece of cake (sorry - paleo version should perhaps be a piece of steak).

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

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on September 15, 2010
at 01:45 PM

Hi CT, do you find you get additional benefit from a 40 hour fast, as opposed to the 16-20 hour one many folks around here seem to do?

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on September 15, 2010
at 09:06 AM

Fasted Exercise.

I run farther and faster without food in my stomach, But I've also found that I have to eat a few carbs afterwords to recover the glycogen to be able to do it again right away, when I use fructose base, my performance suffers, with potato/sweet potato, I perform much better the next time.

Also, lacto-fermented foods. Energy galore, try it

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on September 15, 2010
at 01:42 PM

Spent last month eating rather more fruit (6-8/day, mostly pears, plums, peaches, nectarines, and bananas) than usual. The Miraculous Paleo Weight Loss(tm) stopped, and my blood sugar numbers went up.

I cut way back on the fruit last week, and the weight loss resumed and my glucose numbers improved.

I'm now solidly in the fruit=sugarbags/candy bars grown on trees camp.

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on September 15, 2010
at 01:54 PM

Fructose malabsorption

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