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Would you pull a Mark Zuckerberg?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 26, 2011 at 11:36 PM

http://postcards.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2011/05/26/mark-zuckerbergs-new-challenge-eating-only-what-he-kills/

The Facebook founder's current pet project is eating meat that only comes from animals that he has slaughtered himself.

Would you do it? Could you do it?

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(19469)

on May 27, 2011
at 09:04 PM

There is nothing like sitting motionless, in the freezing cold, clutching a rifle in your hands, up in a tree stand or blind, tuned in to every sound and sign of motion, and with dawning horror, realizing that you have to pee.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 11:35 AM

He has a butcher do the job properly because he knows that there's a lot at "steak". Hyolk!

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(5136)

on May 27, 2011
at 01:54 AM

in an ideal world, prey would be able to get the opportunity to defend itself, but as it is, we defend them, and there is some consolation in that when done right. That said, for me my natural appetite takes over in the end, so I think I could kill my dinner.

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(5136)

on May 27, 2011
at 01:49 AM

i think there is a very reasonable emotional connection and feelings in killing animals, as we ourselves are animals and as much as we try to dominate it and deny it, still part of a food chain and subject to the forces of nature. The death of an animal naturally will remind us of our own mortality, maybe not to a lion bite, but maybe some other force we cannot control.

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(5136)

on May 27, 2011
at 01:42 AM

I could literally pinpoint the moment for me when it went from being an animal carcass I was working with to becoming food - the moment I salted it. It kind of hit me immediately at that moment and I thought it was sort of interesting.

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(5136)

on May 27, 2011
at 01:40 AM

it was really funny... i got a free pig's head from a farmer. This is a part of the animal I've never worked with. The head was covered in hair (unscalded) and dirt and blood when I got it. basically they shot it, cut the head off and gave it to me. I was a bit intimidated initially by the fact that it was a head and also by the sheer amount of work I had in front of me that night (all of which i was inexperienced in). I had to remove the hair then debone it (cut it's face off in one piece.. a "pig mask" of sorts). At first I was very concentrated on honoring the animal in my mind but

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(5136)

on May 27, 2011
at 01:28 AM

if he had butchered it himself he likely really would have "butchered the job". hehehe sorry guys. sorry.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 27, 2011
at 01:06 AM

Everything is modulated by society and conditioning, some things are more innate than others. Whether or not the emotion stems from within or without it is crazy to think that simply because one feels bad about doing something then it is wrong and they shouldn't do it. Our emotional dispositions are incredibly fickle and we have to subject everything to reason. If our emotions still conflict with our reason then it isn't necessarily bad to go with the emotions, it is probably better to do it anyway for the sake of either pragmatism or asserting one's freedom from an oppressive facticity.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 12:57 AM

P.S. Bernie Mac once referred to that kind of cash as "giraffe money", in reference to Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch...you know...you just get SO rich that you have nothing better to do with your money than populate a zoo of your very own. After hearing it put that way, sometimes my husband and I still toss around the phrase "giraffe money" in conversations.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 12:54 AM

Hey, I just got my first batch of mosquito bites this week, reminding me exactly why I'm less of a naturalist in the summers. Indoor mall climate control ftw. I do often wonder if there's something to be said for learning how to efficiently hunt and/or slaughter a large-ish animal - you know, in the event of a _Live Free or Die Hard_ apocalypse scenario when acquiring food suddenly becomes a matter of purely individual responsibility. I think that Zuck's not actually hunting the animals, though; just doing the killing of animals who have been raised on his behalf.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 12:50 AM

Yes, I'll admit to envying his seemingly limitless time and money, too. :)

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 12:26 AM

Maybe learning how to butcher the animals by himself is his pet project for next year! :)

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 12:25 AM

I'm fairly sure that he is simply travelling to the farms where his animals are raised in order to kill them before the freshly slaughtered animals are sent to the butcher - I don't think he's raising livestock by himself on his own land.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 12:24 AM

@Ashley, saw that. GMTA? :)

E5a41bcb2819c818cc0d92489e7c35f2

(300)

on May 27, 2011
at 12:02 AM

I grew up in a household that did this for most of our meat; I'd do it again, but I'd need to 1) radically restructure my life to live someplace that could accomodate livestock and 2) learn how to do things that I watched my dad and grandpa do when butchering the animals that they never bothered to teach me. So, yes on both counts — but I wouldn't right now.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on May 26, 2011
at 11:58 PM

"feeling bad" about doing something is often put upon us by society. Not necessarily born naturally within us. I "felt bad" about having sex with my then boyfriend (now husband) before we were married because I knew it was something my parents always told me was wrong. Really good answer Stabby, I agree.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 26, 2011
at 11:58 PM

let the killing commence.......

E5a41bcb2819c818cc0d92489e7c35f2

(300)

on May 26, 2011
at 11:55 PM

I grew up doing it, and I'd do it again if I was in the mood to radically restructure my life again.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on May 26, 2011
at 11:53 PM

Darn, you posted this literally 1 minute before I did. Haha oh well. Good stuff!

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31cd30cb210f9d13bf990a3410fce31c

(423)

on May 27, 2011
at 12:45 AM

I need Zuckerberg type cash. I love his ambition to find something to ease the boredom of wiping his a$$ with hundred dollar bills. I gotta respect this though. Having the guts to kill his own food, something most people wouldn't do. Us Americans like everything neat, clean and cellophane wrapped from the supermarket.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 12:57 AM

P.S. Bernie Mac once referred to that kind of cash as "giraffe money", in reference to Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch...you know...you just get SO rich that you have nothing better to do with your money than populate a zoo of your very own. After hearing it put that way, sometimes my husband and I still toss around the phrase "giraffe money" in conversations.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 12:50 AM

Yes, I'll admit to envying his seemingly limitless time and money, too. :)

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8dbe73235f73c615f20d3d0f34b4852a

(1365)

on May 27, 2011
at 12:08 AM

I firmly believe that everyone killing the food they eat is not the most sustainable method of food production. The problem with separating ourselves from our food isn't about the morality of killing, it's about being blind to what is going on. If you can get your meat from a local farm that can produce it much more effectively, using more integrated systems with other aspects of agriculture, instead of having to raise and kill your own game, then you should. If everyone lived a completely DIY life, we would get nowhere. Specialization is a good thing for the sustainability of our race.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 12:25 AM

I'm fairly sure that he is simply travelling to the farms where his animals are raised in order to kill them before the freshly slaughtered animals are sent to the butcher - I don't think he's raising livestock by himself on his own land.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 26, 2011
at 11:46 PM

Yes. It is the tendency of some to think about it, feel bad and then say no they wouldn't, and then never do it, because we fear fear itself, the trepidation of an unpleasant act. But I think I would do it, feel bad and then proceed to eat it and do it again. I can't even step on an ant if it wasn't bugging me, although I can swat a fly that's all up in my business. Some vegetarians say "you feel bad about killing animals, that means you know that it's wrong!" but to that I say that the arbitrary emotions that humans exhibit are not always reasonable and while they might be a reason for one not to do something, it doesn't follow that if one didn't feels those things then it would still be something they shouldn't do. I'm glad that Mark has found something that he is comfortable and happy with. I suspect it is a very healthy thing for him.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 27, 2011
at 01:49 AM

i think there is a very reasonable emotional connection and feelings in killing animals, as we ourselves are animals and as much as we try to dominate it and deny it, still part of a food chain and subject to the forces of nature. The death of an animal naturally will remind us of our own mortality, maybe not to a lion bite, but maybe some other force we cannot control.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on May 26, 2011
at 11:58 PM

"feeling bad" about doing something is often put upon us by society. Not necessarily born naturally within us. I "felt bad" about having sex with my then boyfriend (now husband) before we were married because I knew it was something my parents always told me was wrong. Really good answer Stabby, I agree.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 27, 2011
at 01:06 AM

Everything is modulated by society and conditioning, some things are more innate than others. Whether or not the emotion stems from within or without it is crazy to think that simply because one feels bad about doing something then it is wrong and they shouldn't do it. Our emotional dispositions are incredibly fickle and we have to subject everything to reason. If our emotions still conflict with our reason then it isn't necessarily bad to go with the emotions, it is probably better to do it anyway for the sake of either pragmatism or asserting one's freedom from an oppressive facticity.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 27, 2011
at 01:40 AM

it was really funny... i got a free pig's head from a farmer. This is a part of the animal I've never worked with. The head was covered in hair (unscalded) and dirt and blood when I got it. basically they shot it, cut the head off and gave it to me. I was a bit intimidated initially by the fact that it was a head and also by the sheer amount of work I had in front of me that night (all of which i was inexperienced in). I had to remove the hair then debone it (cut it's face off in one piece.. a "pig mask" of sorts). At first I was very concentrated on honoring the animal in my mind but

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 27, 2011
at 01:54 AM

in an ideal world, prey would be able to get the opportunity to defend itself, but as it is, we defend them, and there is some consolation in that when done right. That said, for me my natural appetite takes over in the end, so I think I could kill my dinner.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 27, 2011
at 01:42 AM

I could literally pinpoint the moment for me when it went from being an animal carcass I was working with to becoming food - the moment I salted it. It kind of hit me immediately at that moment and I thought it was sort of interesting.

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Medium avatar

(19469)

on May 27, 2011
at 07:36 PM

I respect anyone who takes full responsibility for the food that they eat. I don't care what anyone says, taking an animal from farm to table creates an honest connection with food (i.e. animals and plants that had to die) that is lacking in our modern existence. Putting a package of chicken in your grocery cart isn't even in the same universe.

With that said, is it reasonable to expect this from everybody? I don't think so. Is it necessary to produce ALL of your food? Nope. If it is even going hunting once, planting a garden, having a few laying hens, whatever, some connection to our food, even if it is simply knowing the person who grew/raised your food, can only lead you towards a more honest, connected place when it comes to food.

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Ce0b5fd94b1034e96cf710b6f138c29d

on May 27, 2011
at 01:21 AM

Sadly, I have to work for a living, but I love to hunt, and if I could do it full time, I'd ditch my current gig in a heartbeat. The killing isn't fun, but everything leading up to it is wonderful, even when you're freezing your ass off up in a treestand, and the end result is delicious.

So yes, I can, and I already do, every chance I get. You should give it a shot. Fishing's pretty easy and the gear is really affordable...

Medium avatar

(19469)

on May 27, 2011
at 09:04 PM

There is nothing like sitting motionless, in the freezing cold, clutching a rifle in your hands, up in a tree stand or blind, tuned in to every sound and sign of motion, and with dawning horror, realizing that you have to pee.

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Bd4be59f5bcfafc3d834d1ec8765eb9e

(336)

on May 27, 2011
at 12:16 AM

Good idea, but a little disappointed that he didn't butcher it himself. Have never done this, but very interested in giving a go at hunting and butchering an animal.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 12:26 AM

Maybe learning how to butcher the animals by himself is his pet project for next year! :)

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 27, 2011
at 01:28 AM

if he had butchered it himself he likely really would have "butchered the job". hehehe sorry guys. sorry.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 11:35 AM

He has a butcher do the job properly because he knows that there's a lot at "steak". Hyolk!

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A642b5bc75a36fdce13fbf290f0c85a7

(385)

on May 27, 2011
at 10:02 PM

Before I went Paleo, I was vegetarian and, for the last six months of my vegetarianism, always said that I would stay vegetarian until I was able to kill, clean, and cook animals on my own. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it) my body did not have patience, and my health quickly declined to the point where I had to ditch the grains for meat. Nonetheless, I have promised myself that I will eventually make up for going against my word when the opportunity arises. I feel there is something very spiritual about killing one's food and I fully expect it to be an enriching experience.

As for killing all of the meat I eat? Like others have said, I do not know if that is feasible for most budget-limited individuals who partake in non-farm-related careers. Even in a predominately urban/suburbanized society, though, there are plenty of farms within reach to pursue a slaughter at least once.

Kudos to Mark.

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127116e41acceee9f2f000076f8b788d

(477)

on May 27, 2011
at 07:20 PM

I raise, kill, and process at least 70% of the meat we consume in our family. We feel that it insures the quality of our meat.

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246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on May 27, 2011
at 12:48 PM

If I could, I would. I have butchered and eaten my kills, and there is a satisfaction in knowing how the beast lived and died.

It's a matter of perspective really. For me, the animal ceases to be an animal once it's stopped breathing, and begins the journey to "groceries". While it is an animal, it is beautiful and natural, and when it becomes groceries, it is sustaining so that the imbiber can be beautiful and natural.

1
7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on May 27, 2011
at 12:41 AM

No. I like meat, it's tasty, but I don't need to kill my own to appreciate it. It's just not feasible for me to do this. Or I don't want to. I don't know. I don't have much free time as it is and hunting is expensive and time consuming, at least for the people I know that hunt. I'd rather have shoes and buy my meat.

eta, I hope that didn't come out bitchy. I'm crabby. My favorite cardio is shopping. I love to camp, but know I am not a hunting type of girl. I have no issues with it and would gladly support a friend that loves to hunt and bring me tasty food. I just know it's not for me. If it was based on survival, well then HELL YEAH, I would kill my meat rather than eating plants.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on May 27, 2011
at 12:54 AM

Hey, I just got my first batch of mosquito bites this week, reminding me exactly why I'm less of a naturalist in the summers. Indoor mall climate control ftw. I do often wonder if there's something to be said for learning how to efficiently hunt and/or slaughter a large-ish animal - you know, in the event of a _Live Free or Die Hard_ apocalypse scenario when acquiring food suddenly becomes a matter of purely individual responsibility. I think that Zuck's not actually hunting the animals, though; just doing the killing of animals who have been raised on his behalf.

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