Are there any preppers/survivalists on this site? How does being Paleo affect your bug out bags and food storage? Do you plan to try to remain Paleo when SHTF?
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on June 03, 2012
at 11:26 AM
I am not a prepper, but I saw once on one of the prepping shows that one of the peoples' plan was to store a bunch of seeds and then sprout them each day to increase the amount of nutrients. Then you can store a lot of calories that will last for a pretty long time and still avoid a lot of the antinutrients. Maybe a good middle ground solution.
on June 04, 2012
at 03:09 PM
We focus on having a large stock of foods that we us regularly, rather than having a supply of strictly emergency foods.
Some things we have:
Shredded coconut: We buy 22lb bags, repackage into more manageable portions, and either vacuum seal or freeze to prevent toxic mold from developing. Can be used to make coconut milk, coconut flour (the leftover pulp from making coconut milk, dehydrated), coconut butter, or just used plain. I admit that I haven't adequately planned out the logistics of making these without electricity).
Dehydrated produce: Preserves most of the nutritional content, takes up minimal space. Freeze or vacuum seal to extend shelf life.
We also have a lot of lacto-fermented or pressure canned produce (from our garden, or from the store when there is a particularly good deal).
We make bone broth with pretty much every single bone that passes through our house, and freeze or pressure can what we don't use immediately.
We have a chest freezer, and buy large portions of cows and pigs, as well as conventional meat that goes on clearance. We have plans or what to do if the power goes out for an extended time (drying/smoking/otherwise preserving/trading).
Salt for preserving.
If you use anything commercial and shelf-stable, you can have a rotating stock. Things like canned fish, coconut milk, almond butter, and so forth. Have a few months stock on hand. You can build this up gradually - buy two instead of one, and buy more when you finish the first container. When you have as big a stock as you want, buy as you normally would, and use up the oldest first.
Oils, stored properly (sealed, in a dark, reasonably temperature-stable location). Rotate as above.
If you can store sweeteners (real ones - honey, sugar, maple syrup, molasses) without creating temptation, they can be useful for calories and food preservation. Most of these will last for years if sealed.
Legumes. While not actually paleo, if we need them, that's not going to be my primary concern. They're cheap, and will keep a very long time properly stored. You can soak, cook, and eat them as-is, sprout them, or plant them and grow more of them.
I think it is important to remember that the #1 most important thing to have is WATER. Especially for those living in desert areas.
on June 03, 2012
at 03:38 PM
My bug out bag is guns and ammo and other tools that I would need. I'm close enough to the woods that I can get away with hunting. Staying fat-adapted would make dealing with the end-times much more bearable (that's how the cavemen survived)
on June 03, 2012
at 12:04 PM
I'm not a prepper/survivalist, but we do live out in the country on 190 acres of prime deer ground, I do own firearms, our household water is from a rainwater cistern with pond back-up, and hot water is heated with solar thermal. The house was originally off the grid, but even after connecting to the power company, we still have the battery bank and PV array, so when the power goes out, the power doesn't go out. Because I drive an hour away to buy most of my meat, I do have a deep freeze that always has something tasty in it, but I don't have a year's worth of dehydrated, non-nutritive, stomach filler stored away in a buried bunker.
on June 03, 2012
at 07:54 AM
I actually stash away non-paleo non-perishable food for when SHTF. I figure I'll have to just eat a SAD diet if I can't go to the organic grocery store.
That said I would love to hear any ideas for paleo prepping. Other than buying a farm!
on June 03, 2012
at 11:03 PM
I live in Seattle, where we're long-overdue for a major earthquake. So while I'm not a doom prepper, I do keep food, water, some camping gear, and first-aid supplies on hand. And while I do have a bug-out bag, I would make every effort to shelter in place if that was possible.
In that situation, I expect to do a lot of living out of cans, with minimal cooking, until buying fresh groceries becomes a possibility again. I expect any emergency rations that will be available will be non-/anti-nutritive belly-filler. So I've long been prepared to go up to six weeks on my own food reserves, and now that I'm IFing and eating high fat I know I could probably go closer to 10 weeks, or could afford share some food with a neighbor.
Canned fish is a big part of my stash--tuna, salmon, sardines, kippers, and the occasional luxury of smoked trout. Supplemented with some fat, it doesn't take much to keep me going. Commercially canned beef is too disgusting, but I do have home-canned corned beef and I also keep some of my own jerky in my bug-out bag.
I didn't know it was possible to home-can cheese or butter for long-term storage, but it is (Google it, if interested). I don't keep a lot of that on hand, but I figure having something fatty and delicious that needs no refrigeration is a good idea.
Most canned veg is gross, but I use canned tomatoes in cooking and I don't mind eating them straight from the can, so I have them. I also have some beans, which I rarely eat now, but they're not the worst thing I could eat in an emergency. I figure I could also give them to someone else who needs food.
My yard is semi-wild and has been unsprayed for almost a decade, so I can also forage for fresh veg in the form of dandelions, plantain, and nettles without even leaving my property.
Oh, and pet food--I always keep lots of extra cat food on hand because in an emergency human food will take priority and any pet food likely to be available will be kibble (which they don't eat). I also have two very old cats on prescription food, and while they could eat regular wet food if they had to, I keep six weeks' worth of their food (and their meds + supplies) on hand.
I'm definitely not equipped for a collapse/Mad Max/SHTF scenario, but if things got that bad I'd either end up dead pretty quick anyway, or else opt out of survival, so I'm content to stick with serious earthquake preparedness (and hope the volcano doesn't wake up).
on June 03, 2012
at 07:48 AM
I'm actually trying to figure this out right now. I used to have a 6 day, 2 person supply of ration bricks in addition to my water and the canned food in regular rotation. (I actually live alone but often have guests). But I chucked it when I realized it was mostly wheat and that I've got celiac. I'm mostly trying to be prepared for the week or two when things will be nuts after a big earthquake (I live in california). I don't have a lot of space so I really liked the idea of a week's worth of emergency food in a few dozen cubic inches (would also be good to have in case I had to evacuate). Anybody know of any gluten free rations?
on January 31, 2013
at 10:34 PM
I would say, use salt to preserve things and dehydrate a lot of different things as well. You can make Sauerkraut which lasts for months and this is raw and super healthy and easy to make.
on January 31, 2013
at 06:30 PM
This rant is not targeted at the poster it's just a wake up call for "red dawn" fantasy preppers in general, however I do have the poster's questions answered as well.
Invest in a dehydrator. Grow your own and dehydrate. Also buy produce locally and in bulk during the season and dehydrate it.
Can your own stuff too such as marinara sauce etc.
Dehydrated food will last 15 years or more when vac sealed and placed in mylar bags
Canned food you can eat what was fresh from the summer in the winter, just like your grandparents did for years and was common knowledge until we became a society of co-dependence.
Pressure can your own stews and chilli etc for quick convenient meals and if you are "eating what you store and storing what you eat" you should have a deep pantry filled with these.
Beyond that learn how to smoke meat and make pemmican, jerky, and biltong. Biltong in particular has an amazing shelf life and can be made in a dehydrator. Pemmican also has a good shelf life and an excellent nutritional profile.
Get yourself a generator and start buying your beef by the side and your pork by the side from local farmers. First of all prepper or not this is the only economical way to buy grass fed beef and in my opinion it is the best quality as well.
Get yourself a 1KW generator and rotate 15 gallons of stabalized gas. Buy the gas and every 6 months empty a can into your car, refill it, stabalize it and send it to the back.
If the SHTF you have the skill to smoke, salt and dry because you were practicing while times were good, but the reality is you are going to get through 99.9999% of emergencies with your 1KW generator.
Get a freezer alarm that will go off should your freezer malfunction.
Don't save seeds and say "If SHTF I'll have a garden" This is probably one of the top 10 stupidest things I have every heard someone utter. Gardening is a skill with a learning curve and you need to start now or you are going to fail when your life depends on it. If you want decent soil to grow in that evolves over time, you won't be able to go to the garden center and get a truckload of compost, your going to have to deal with your less than optimal soil from day one.
Learning to sprout is also a great and easy thing to do as someone mentioned and you can buy and store sprouting seeds in bulk
Another stupid thing to say is "If SHTF I'll just hunt" Guess what that's what everyone else is going to do as well... you won't see a deer in the woods past the first season. Use your head and stop making stupid statements like this and start taking common sense measures.
Read about the availability of game during the great depression.. it'll only be worse not better.
Save your seeds from year to year.
Consider keeping chickens for your own eggs and graduate into raising your own meat. This is what I am working on right now.
Also get the notion out of your head that it will be like mad max or any other hollywood scenario. Read about Brazil if you want to see SHTF in real life and not a fantasy world where you are John Rambo running around fighting the red dawn invaders in a post nuclear wasteland where you were the only one smart enough to go deer hunting.
on January 02, 2013
at 07:52 PM
i stock up on: lard, tallow(kept cool can stay good for up to yr and a half); jerky; dried fruits; freeze dried fruits and veggies - THRIVE; freeze dried meats - THRIVE; rice - because in a grid down/SHTF situation, I want my belly full, and I'm workin' it off anyway just tryin' to survive, right??; canned fruit and veg; cans of coconut milk I grow herbs and dry them in the dehydrator, they keep well in small mason jars.
on June 03, 2012
at 10:47 PM
I'm currently not a prepper but if I was I think I'd start by growing/raising, canning, dehydrating, and freezing a lot of vegetables and grass-fed, pastured meats. I'd probably also stock up on dried seaweed (nori) for its shelf-life and nutritional benefits. A cold storage would keep root vegetables and some fruits (apples) fresh for a while.
If I ever get the farm I'm hoping to get eventually I plan on doing all these things anyway, not really for a doomsday scenario in particular but it's better to be safe than sorry regardless of the situation.