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Which supplements need specific protocols to be effective?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 03, 2012 at 4:20 AM

If you add a little black pepper to Turmeric or curcumin supplements, it increases intestinal bio availability rate by about 1,000 fold.

Glutathione if taken orally is destroyed before it can be absorbed, so you need to take its precursors like NAC orally or inject it/take it sublingually to be absorbed.

Resveratrol needs to be manufactured in an oxygen free environment or it oxidizes and loses its desired anti-oxidant effects.

What are some other supplements and their specific protocols to be optimally effective?

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Yeah, we never hear about copper. To be honest, I'm not sure how abundant it is in our food supply (or stuff we come in contact with that might be "contaminated" with it), but the info in the article I linked to is really fascinating. *Especially* for recovering vegans/vegetarians (which there are plenty of here), who tend to be extremely low in zinc and much higher in copper. Looks like copper toxicity has a lot of symptoms that we hear about all the time but never link to Cu.

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on July 03, 2012
at 11:30 PM

j3wcy - this is absolutely true and is often related to low stomach acid. Many people can benefit from HCL/Betaine with meals and supplements.

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on July 03, 2012
at 11:25 PM

Great link AmyB. Thanks! Many common foods have copper the author points out...."But the main thing that happens with metal retention is copper toxicity because everybody is getting copper constantly. Almost everything you eat has some copper in it. A lot of really popular foods like coffee, chocolate, avocado, soy, shellfish like shrimp and lobster, and certain beans and nuts like pecans are pretty high in copper."

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on July 03, 2012
at 05:41 PM

Amy B. I found out about my toxically high copper level after reading James Greenblatt's book on the "the common pysical causes of depression" I had several of the 9 causes that he discusses and these are usually overlooked by other doctors. Anyway copper was one and since I had had a copper IUD for years, I had my blood level tested and it was very very high. way over the reference range. Its within range now but I want it lower. I've used Zinc and molybdenum to chelate it.

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:27 PM

But let me just say that yes, copper is necessary. It does play a physiological role. But like anything, *too much* is no good.

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:22 PM

also while the literature and bottles of 5htp will say to take on an empty stomach it can cause intense nausea. I take it will food and it works just fine.

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:21 PM

+1 and I would give you +100 if I could for mentioning that copper can be toxic! I have mentioned that so many times on this site. People should NOT take ANY AMOUNT of extra copper in a supplement unless they know for a fact that they are low. I would say the same for iron and calcium too.

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at 02:58 PM

Calcium should be taken with food (not on an empty stomach).

And let's not forget all the balancing issues:

If you're too high in copper, you're likely low in zinc. Great article: Metals and the Mind. (Really interesting stuff there about copper toxicity and its links to all kinds of problems that are talked about regularly on PH.)

And what about all the drug/nutrient interactions?

If you've been on a PPI or prescription antacid for a long period of time, you might be deficient in B12, magnesium, and calcium.

Some amino acids are best taken alone/empty stomach -- 5-HTP/tryptphan (though you could argue for taking these 2 with something sweet/carby), GABA, phosphorylated serine.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on July 03, 2012
at 11:25 PM

Great link AmyB. Thanks! Many common foods have copper the author points out...."But the main thing that happens with metal retention is copper toxicity because everybody is getting copper constantly. Almost everything you eat has some copper in it. A lot of really popular foods like coffee, chocolate, avocado, soy, shellfish like shrimp and lobster, and certain beans and nuts like pecans are pretty high in copper."

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:21 PM

+1 and I would give you +100 if I could for mentioning that copper can be toxic! I have mentioned that so many times on this site. People should NOT take ANY AMOUNT of extra copper in a supplement unless they know for a fact that they are low. I would say the same for iron and calcium too.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:27 PM

But let me just say that yes, copper is necessary. It does play a physiological role. But like anything, *too much* is no good.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 03, 2012
at 05:41 PM

Amy B. I found out about my toxically high copper level after reading James Greenblatt's book on the "the common pysical causes of depression" I had several of the 9 causes that he discusses and these are usually overlooked by other doctors. Anyway copper was one and since I had had a copper IUD for years, I had my blood level tested and it was very very high. way over the reference range. Its within range now but I want it lower. I've used Zinc and molybdenum to chelate it.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Yeah, we never hear about copper. To be honest, I'm not sure how abundant it is in our food supply (or stuff we come in contact with that might be "contaminated" with it), but the info in the article I linked to is really fascinating. *Especially* for recovering vegans/vegetarians (which there are plenty of here), who tend to be extremely low in zinc and much higher in copper. Looks like copper toxicity has a lot of symptoms that we hear about all the time but never link to Cu.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:22 PM

also while the literature and bottles of 5htp will say to take on an empty stomach it can cause intense nausea. I take it will food and it works just fine.

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:15 PM

I think in general a lot of consideration should be given to our ability to absorb anything that we take. My digestion is not great, so I'm not convinced I properly absorb anything I take, muting its effectiveness. I am about to switch to taking my fat soluble vitamins in liquid form on the skin, as opposed to oral capsules for this reason. Maybe not as specific as your question, but I believe an important consideration nonetheless.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on July 03, 2012
at 11:30 PM

j3wcy - this is absolutely true and is often related to low stomach acid. Many people can benefit from HCL/Betaine with meals and supplements.

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on July 03, 2012
at 06:22 AM

D3 with K2 and Vitamin A

CoQ10 taken with a meal containing fat (Ubiquinol is a better way to take CoQ anyway)

Fish oil for Omega 3s should also be manufactured in an oxygen-free, and reduced heat environment so they don't start to oxidize.

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