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which Supplements du jour actually lived up to the hype for you?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 09, 2013 at 3:56 AM

Ive pared down my supplements as im on a budget and prefer trying to spend more on quality foods.

Currently i take vit D, vit C *with cal/pot/mag, fish oil, Sea Kelp for iodine, and 5http for sleep.

I have tried tried various other sups such as Astralagus, Maca, COq10 and i cant even remember what more. OH yeah i meant to try that reservatrol stuff but never got to it.

I dont ever really notice any big differences from taking any of these things.

Seems like everyday theres a new herb/sup being pushed. I think Dr Oz must be in on some kinda scam and must be getting a cut somehow! LOL Anything he mentions flys off the shelves- and no i dont get my info from him and his wanna be Bill Nye science guy shenanigans. Anything he says i take with a grain of HImalayan seasalt :)

I really miss my melatonin though and might grab some again soon as its the only thing i really feel does anything. Makes me fall asleep sooooo much faster!

So my question- whats your favourite supplement tht you feel has lived up to the hype and does alot of what its purported to do.

thanx for your thoughts~

PS- one noticeable improvement ( and it was quick ! like days ) came from adding back eggs/meats to my diet .. my skin regained its glow and blemishes that just wouldnt go away finally healed.

1deaea445ff3b1cb5d1354a043dc8fb7

(275)

on April 07, 2013
at 06:19 PM

This is one of the worst arguments i have ever seen, things have changed therefore we are now lacking in some vitamins etc. For example you are deficient in d3 unless you run around outside in a loin cloth all day, magnesium has reduced in our water, our food has less vitamins than it once had, we are exposed to more toxins now so may need help to detoxify ourselves, also have you been paleo your whole life? if not you have some catching up to do and sups can help, i could go on for ever, sometimes paleo turns into anti-west/ science/ tech, total nonsense

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 05:04 PM

Ok, you win. :)

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:45 PM

I speak four languages.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:43 PM

I am also bilingual, and bilingual people are smarter because our brains are wired differently. So I guess it is epic fail for you. :)

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:39 PM

Oh, you can be dense. I'm not irritated. I'm sure your massive IQ makes it possible to understand the ignorance of applying emotion to written word. I'm pretty sure I've given my definition of 'natural' ad nauseam right above. It must've went 'under' your hugely intelligent head. By the way, I have a higher IQ than you. So I guess I win?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:12 PM

I don't have to agree with your POV. And you don't have to agree to mine. My understanding of the word "natural" is "Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind." That's from a dictionary. What's yours? Anyway, I see you are getting irritated. Sorry, I can't be dense - my IQ is 136. It is NATURAL for me to be misunderstood by other people. What's yours?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 03:04 PM

Last time, myopic one... *NOTHING* is unnatural. NOTHING that develops from the NATURAL human mind by the NATURAL human hand from the NATURAL environment can possibly be unnatural. Agreeing to disagree is one thing, but are you truly so dense to not see the value of this POV?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 02:20 PM

@ thhq - Amen! @matuyama - I share your view. I think supplements are not Paleo.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on March 31, 2013
at 01:07 PM

@kash&VB, we can't recreate paleotopia so we have to do the best we can. Since we've existed we've modified the world around us to our tastes. Back in the old days we weren't so righteous as to stop hunting species out of existence or to not set forest and grassfires to improve hunting. Granted, dynamite had to be invented to allow fishing with it, but destruction is one of the things we do.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on March 31, 2013
at 12:51 PM

Brazil nuts are very high in selenium.

783275f7d7d5fd8de47977d42fc5f97d

(170)

on March 31, 2013
at 10:44 AM

This. I don't take any supplements anymore either, in my opinion, if you can't get it from real food, it's not worth taking. I used to take a lot of probiotics but have replaced that with sauerkraut, I eat some seaweed on a daily basis, offal once a week, plenty of seafood. IMHO if you're not getting all your vitamins and minerals from food, then your diet needs to be diversified!

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 31, 2013
at 07:50 AM

I take mine about an hour before I want to be sleeping. I take about 350 mg and it knocks me right out if I have been off my computer. Not so much, if not! Read some of the other sleep-related questions for more tips.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 05:48 AM

There are unnatural things. A flying dog, a barking fish, etc. Those things are NOT NATURAL. It is not natural for a person to fly, to drive a car or to eat Twinkies.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 05:37 AM

Agriculture brought in nutritional deficiencies and destroyed the species specific way of life. It made Homo Sapiens into Homo Ignavus, so now we have to follow Paleo diet and deal with generative diseases.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:51 AM

Most inventions happened after the agricultural revolution because people had time to focus on other things and the luxury to specialize. Make no mistake, agriculture (while harmful on an individual level) has been extremely beneficial in terms of our species.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:48 AM

People became lazy so they flew to the moon?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:47 AM

Nothing can exist unless it is made from existing materials.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:46 AM

Reread... *nothing* can be unnatural. It is simply not possible for anything to exist without an organic evolution beginning in the human mind.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:44 AM

Sure you walk everywhere. What if you're required to be 200 miles away? You're going pioneer style, fighting mountain lions and bears, risking freezing to death or possibly starving? No. You're taking modern transportation, buying food in stores, enjoying a heater.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:43 AM

Yes, a human being CAN manifest something unnatural. Robots, space exploration, etc. I think most inventions happened after people have discovered agriculture and therefore nutritional deficiencies. They became lazy and had to invent things.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:40 AM

It is possible to be *more than* just healthy. It is possible to live beyond mere survival. That is why some people choose to supplement.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:37 AM

All things in existence are natural. A human being cannot manifest anything unnatural. All invention begins in the natural mind, then is implemented with natural hands manipulating the natural environment. Or building upon previous manifestations. *Some* technologies aren't exactly positive... no doubt. Efficient, rapid-delivery nutrients are beneficial when used with intelligence.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 03:51 AM

Technology is anything BUT natural, it is artificial. Yes, I do walk everywhere. Automobiles bring air and soil pollution, as well as all other evils. I don't really like yodeling and the only reason I am using a computer because I am trying to get healthier. Tired of being sick.

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

(266)

on March 31, 2013
at 03:32 AM

When do you take your magnesium? I tried taking 200mg a few days in the evening, and it *absolutely destroyed* my sleep. I got more tired than usual earlier than usual, but then I lied there for hours, and then finally fell asleep, but then kept waking up, and then finally gave up in the early morning. Kept happening for a few days until I gave up

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 03:23 AM

lol @ technology not being able to improve on nature. What do you think technology *is*? It is the natural evolution of the mind Mother Nature gave us. Do you walk everywhere? I'd say automobiles are an improvement on that. Seems like you've taken a break from yodeling across the chasms to communicate in the Internet... lol

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on March 10, 2013
at 11:02 PM

No, unfortunately not. Not realistic for me.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on March 10, 2013
at 10:52 PM

Have you tried just eating seafood and seaweed that provides those nutrients and seeing if that has the same effect?

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 10, 2013
at 08:16 PM

I take NOW Neptune Krill Oil, but since they recently had a fire at their main processing plant, I may start looking for another brand if my supply gets cut off!

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 10, 2013
at 08:14 PM

thegiantess~ If I ate more fish than I do, I wouldn't take krill oil. Here are a couple of links to some of the reasons that make sense to me:http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/inflammation/why-krill-oil/ http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/inflammation/krill-oil-and-inflammation/

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 10, 2013
at 06:31 PM

Hate to hijack this thread, but I am wondering why Krill oil? I can never decide which fish oil to take.. and sometimes am persuaded to just get Omega 3's from fish as per Paul @ PHD.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 09, 2013
at 07:52 PM

Thanks. I am struggling with my digestive problems right now so this is next in line.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 09, 2013
at 07:26 PM

With D3 you need 3-6 months. Best to test your blood level & see if you are deficient.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:45 PM

im hoping to get into some fermented veggie making experiments to help wiht the gut flora aspect..:) thnx for sharing

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:44 PM

iodine seems to have alleviated some dizziness i was experiencing when i first cut carbs and switched to himalayan salt.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:42 PM

big-ups again :) thnx

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:41 PM

thank you for sharing and for the links

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:39 PM

turmerics fantastic! ..as is ginger :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:39 PM

ah ok.. fair enough- hope you find something that helps

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:35 PM

With my stomach I either feel the difference in 2 days, or do not feel it at all...

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:34 PM

MY biggest issue I wish I could find a magic bullet for is the early onset arthritis in my knees. I’ve had this issue for 20 years..(sports injury as a teenager) 2 arthroscopic surgeries didn’t do much to help nor has the various supplements I’ve tried. I’m positive that this diet (currently following PHD style paleo ) along with more weight loss might alleviate the pain and make the bad days fewer and farther between. ~cheers and continued success on your regimens :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:34 PM

Thank you all for sharing your invaluable insight and experiences. Needless to say much more meaningful than the hokey sounding reviews you find on websites that sell products. It’s cool to see the similarities in alot of the supplement strategies being adopted. I plan to incorporate some magnesium and up my iron by eating some liver on a weekly basis. I will continue with the other things I outlined above. I’ve never been one to get sick with colds and that so maybe the benefits of the Vit D are subtle and therefore indiscernible.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:14 PM

maybe 2 weeks isnt a long enough course to see any difference?

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:01 PM

oo00ps *analogy

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:00 PM

yes great anology :) !

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 09, 2013
at 02:25 PM

Hi, Dragonfly - I have been taking it for two weeks - no change. Nothing at all. Actually, it makes me more sleepy. I trust you, it is just not for me.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 09, 2013
at 02:20 PM

And that D3 blood level was in the perfectly normal range for most folk, but ome of us with inflammatory/autoimmune disorders need a little extra help. More info at www.vitamindcouncil.org.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 09, 2013
at 02:18 PM

Love your approach, Travis. Very similar to mine.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 09, 2013
at 02:15 PM

Hi VB~ I dropped all supplementation last Spring for 3 months. I sunned in a bikini for an hour a day near noon (in Santa Fe). My D3 blood level dropped to 57 ng/ml (I'm darker-skinned and older.) My asthma symptoms came back. Sleep wasn't as consistent and I started getting achy knees again. (See my answer for more details.)

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 09, 2013
at 02:09 PM

Thanks, folks! :)

Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

(1211)

on March 09, 2013
at 01:55 PM

Travis, yes. I definitely have experience drug-like side affects due to supplement experiments. I sometimes feel higher fat diets advocate more supplementing since more calories are coming from nutrient poor free fats.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on March 09, 2013
at 01:53 PM

Love the comment about people being sick and not getting sick yourself. People always say "Don't get near me I'm sick". And I say "I'll be fine".

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 09, 2013
at 01:50 PM

*I think Dr Oz must be in on some kinda scam and must be getting a cut somehow!* And this surprises you? I like to think of it more as "Oprah's Book Club" for supplements with Dr. Oz. I wouldn't say he's getting a cut at any given time, but "he has a stake in it" regardless.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:56 AM

thnkx for sharing..sounds like theres definitely a consensus particularly with D3

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:53 AM

k2!! its also on my list..:) mk-4 rather than 7 eh .. or just try sum nato..? blech..

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:52 AM

sounds like a prudent and good personalized plan you have going. The barrage of new exotic sounding roots/powders/potions is neverending. About magnesium, its done wonders in helping my sister with her panic attacks. Im going to prolly adjust my dose and see if it helps with sleep. thanx for sharing

Medium avatar

(39831)

on March 09, 2013
at 05:27 AM

I respect your decision, but it may be naive to assume that the nutrient content of your food is as it would be a million years prior. That being said, I am defintely moving more toward your stance.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 04:39 AM

big-up to Dragonfly :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 04:34 AM

thats excellent..hope your levels come soon for ya. My grama has osteo too. Yeah i find my iron looks low when i tally my foods on cronometer. Im planning to try to incorporate some liver soon.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 04:25 AM

thanx lol.. u nearly make it sound romantic ..:) I could use a better sleep too-(the other things in working order ) But actually its the "falling asleep " i have trouble with- which is why i really miss my melatonin. I should try upping my mag.. Citrates the way to go in your opinion then >..cool

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 04:18 AM

wowzers @[email protected] so you dont take any at all..? Yes ive tried taking none... i cant afford them all the time so i take time off..every now and then. Ill have to have a peak at Terry whals story. thank you

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Medium avatar

on March 09, 2013
at 05:37 AM

I can say for sure that I don't get sick anymore because of D3. Sick jerks with whom I have close contact can cough and sneeze all over everything and it makes no difference.

I don't have anxiety anymore because of magnesium.

I take a reasonable dose of iodide just in case.

I will revisit certain supplements for a short while based on some feeling I have that I may be deficient.

I remain skeptical of the vast majority of the supplements available, but especially herbs or highly concentrated food-sourced compounds that are impossible to get via whole food in those amounts. It represents the very problem with our view of the body. Rather than supplying it with all necessary raw materials and trusting one's genes to take care of the details, we're taking a sledgehammer to the delicate machinery in order to produce an effect that we perceive to be desirable. So many people who take those things would turn their noses up at pharmaceuticals, but these things are essentially drugs in those amounts. Their effects are pharmacological, not nutritional.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on March 09, 2013
at 01:53 PM

Love the comment about people being sick and not getting sick yourself. People always say "Don't get near me I'm sick". And I say "I'll be fine".

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 09, 2013
at 02:18 PM

Love your approach, Travis. Very similar to mine.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:52 AM

sounds like a prudent and good personalized plan you have going. The barrage of new exotic sounding roots/powders/potions is neverending. About magnesium, its done wonders in helping my sister with her panic attacks. Im going to prolly adjust my dose and see if it helps with sleep. thanx for sharing

Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

(1211)

on March 09, 2013
at 01:55 PM

Travis, yes. I definitely have experience drug-like side affects due to supplement experiments. I sometimes feel higher fat diets advocate more supplementing since more calories are coming from nutrient poor free fats.

8
76026e8ef496039d5075440ff731aa0d

on March 09, 2013
at 04:16 AM

Magnesium Citrate...it's helped me to even out my mood, to get a better sleep and to poop with unbridled passion...

A big thank you and fist bumps go out to Dragonfly...she's also helped me to tell everyone I know and don't know about the power of D3!

Truth.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 04:39 AM

big-up to Dragonfly :)

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 09, 2013
at 02:09 PM

Thanks, folks! :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 04:25 AM

thanx lol.. u nearly make it sound romantic ..:) I could use a better sleep too-(the other things in working order ) But actually its the "falling asleep " i have trouble with- which is why i really miss my melatonin. I should try upping my mag.. Citrates the way to go in your opinion then >..cool

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 09, 2013
at 04:10 AM

My favorite supplement is food. Real food. And bottled mountain water.

Honestly, I have NOT found a supplement yet that would act as a magic pill or that would make me feel better.

I really doubt that a man can create something better in less than 200 years than our mother nature in millions and millions of years.

If we needed any supplements, they would be available in nature. And they are, but in a form of food. I also believe in what Terry Wahls teaches: she traded in her 60 something supplements for food and she teaches her students to follow her example.

I also have a suspicion some supplements can be detrimental to our health.

Have you tried NOT taking any supplements?

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:14 PM

maybe 2 weeks isnt a long enough course to see any difference?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 09, 2013
at 07:52 PM

Thanks. I am struggling with my digestive problems right now so this is next in line.

Medium avatar

(39831)

on March 09, 2013
at 05:27 AM

I respect your decision, but it may be naive to assume that the nutrient content of your food is as it would be a million years prior. That being said, I am defintely moving more toward your stance.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 09, 2013
at 02:20 PM

And that D3 blood level was in the perfectly normal range for most folk, but ome of us with inflammatory/autoimmune disorders need a little extra help. More info at www.vitamindcouncil.org.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:39 PM

ah ok.. fair enough- hope you find something that helps

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 09, 2013
at 07:26 PM

With D3 you need 3-6 months. Best to test your blood level & see if you are deficient.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 04:18 AM

wowzers @[email protected] so you dont take any at all..? Yes ive tried taking none... i cant afford them all the time so i take time off..every now and then. Ill have to have a peak at Terry whals story. thank you

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:35 PM

With my stomach I either feel the difference in 2 days, or do not feel it at all...

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 09, 2013
at 02:25 PM

Hi, Dragonfly - I have been taking it for two weeks - no change. Nothing at all. Actually, it makes me more sleepy. I trust you, it is just not for me.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 09, 2013
at 02:15 PM

Hi VB~ I dropped all supplementation last Spring for 3 months. I sunned in a bikini for an hour a day near noon (in Santa Fe). My D3 blood level dropped to 57 ng/ml (I'm darker-skinned and older.) My asthma symptoms came back. Sleep wasn't as consistent and I started getting achy knees again. (See my answer for more details.)

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 03:23 AM

lol @ technology not being able to improve on nature. What do you think technology *is*? It is the natural evolution of the mind Mother Nature gave us. Do you walk everywhere? I'd say automobiles are an improvement on that. Seems like you've taken a break from yodeling across the chasms to communicate in the Internet... lol

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 05:48 AM

There are unnatural things. A flying dog, a barking fish, etc. Those things are NOT NATURAL. It is not natural for a person to fly, to drive a car or to eat Twinkies.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:46 AM

Reread... *nothing* can be unnatural. It is simply not possible for anything to exist without an organic evolution beginning in the human mind.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 02:20 PM

@ thhq - Amen! @matuyama - I share your view. I think supplements are not Paleo.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:12 PM

I don't have to agree with your POV. And you don't have to agree to mine. My understanding of the word "natural" is "Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind." That's from a dictionary. What's yours? Anyway, I see you are getting irritated. Sorry, I can't be dense - my IQ is 136. It is NATURAL for me to be misunderstood by other people. What's yours?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:47 AM

Nothing can exist unless it is made from existing materials.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on March 31, 2013
at 01:07 PM

@kash&VB, we can't recreate paleotopia so we have to do the best we can. Since we've existed we've modified the world around us to our tastes. Back in the old days we weren't so righteous as to stop hunting species out of existence or to not set forest and grassfires to improve hunting. Granted, dynamite had to be invented to allow fishing with it, but destruction is one of the things we do.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:39 PM

Oh, you can be dense. I'm not irritated. I'm sure your massive IQ makes it possible to understand the ignorance of applying emotion to written word. I'm pretty sure I've given my definition of 'natural' ad nauseam right above. It must've went 'under' your hugely intelligent head. By the way, I have a higher IQ than you. So I guess I win?

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:44 AM

Sure you walk everywhere. What if you're required to be 200 miles away? You're going pioneer style, fighting mountain lions and bears, risking freezing to death or possibly starving? No. You're taking modern transportation, buying food in stores, enjoying a heater.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:37 AM

All things in existence are natural. A human being cannot manifest anything unnatural. All invention begins in the natural mind, then is implemented with natural hands manipulating the natural environment. Or building upon previous manifestations. *Some* technologies aren't exactly positive... no doubt. Efficient, rapid-delivery nutrients are beneficial when used with intelligence.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 05:04 PM

Ok, you win. :)

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 05:37 AM

Agriculture brought in nutritional deficiencies and destroyed the species specific way of life. It made Homo Sapiens into Homo Ignavus, so now we have to follow Paleo diet and deal with generative diseases.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:43 PM

I am also bilingual, and bilingual people are smarter because our brains are wired differently. So I guess it is epic fail for you. :)

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 03:51 AM

Technology is anything BUT natural, it is artificial. Yes, I do walk everywhere. Automobiles bring air and soil pollution, as well as all other evils. I don't really like yodeling and the only reason I am using a computer because I am trying to get healthier. Tired of being sick.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:40 AM

It is possible to be *more than* just healthy. It is possible to live beyond mere survival. That is why some people choose to supplement.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:45 PM

I speak four languages.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:48 AM

People became lazy so they flew to the moon?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:43 AM

Yes, a human being CAN manifest something unnatural. Robots, space exploration, etc. I think most inventions happened after people have discovered agriculture and therefore nutritional deficiencies. They became lazy and had to invent things.

783275f7d7d5fd8de47977d42fc5f97d

(170)

on March 31, 2013
at 10:44 AM

This. I don't take any supplements anymore either, in my opinion, if you can't get it from real food, it's not worth taking. I used to take a lot of probiotics but have replaced that with sauerkraut, I eat some seaweed on a daily basis, offal once a week, plenty of seafood. IMHO if you're not getting all your vitamins and minerals from food, then your diet needs to be diversified!

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 04:51 AM

Most inventions happened after the agricultural revolution because people had time to focus on other things and the luxury to specialize. Make no mistake, agriculture (while harmful on an individual level) has been extremely beneficial in terms of our species.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 31, 2013
at 03:04 PM

Last time, myopic one... *NOTHING* is unnatural. NOTHING that develops from the NATURAL human mind by the NATURAL human hand from the NATURAL environment can possibly be unnatural. Agreeing to disagree is one thing, but are you truly so dense to not see the value of this POV?

1deaea445ff3b1cb5d1354a043dc8fb7

(275)

on April 07, 2013
at 06:19 PM

This is one of the worst arguments i have ever seen, things have changed therefore we are now lacking in some vitamins etc. For example you are deficient in d3 unless you run around outside in a loin cloth all day, magnesium has reduced in our water, our food has less vitamins than it once had, we are exposed to more toxins now so may need help to detoxify ourselves, also have you been paleo your whole life? if not you have some catching up to do and sups can help, i could go on for ever, sometimes paleo turns into anti-west/ science/ tech, total nonsense

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9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on March 31, 2013
at 12:55 PM

I am very averse to taking supplements, and think a lot of people take them too readily without good reason and without tracking the results very carefully. I think they should only be used temporarily, to fix a deficiency, since almost everything that they contain is better obtained from food.

Two exceptions for me are vitamin D and magnesium. I have found that I need a regular source of vitamin D and in the winter I just don't get any, and taking a small supplement had a major positive effect on muscle soreness, mood, sleep, and overall well-being. A couple of years ago in January I took 400IU per day and it was like flipping a switch. However, 5000IU per day makes me feel weird, so for me dosage is important.

The other is magnesium "oil" (which isn't really oil), this helps me relax at night and to sleep. A Paleo diet can be low in magnesium and manganese (mine often is) and I have heard there is a relationship between vitamin D deficiency and magnesium. So a couple of sprays of magnesium oil on my midriff every now and then really helps me sleep and relax.

One theory about this is that drinking waters from streams gives you a wide variety of minerals including magnesium, but of course we don't do that these days, and also today's foods are generally lower in minerals than historically so they have less magnesium as a result.

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75d65450b6ff0be7b969fb321f1200ac

(2506)

on March 10, 2013
at 07:21 PM

I take the supplements recommended in Perfect Health Diet (Jaminet). These include magnesium (glycinate), vitamin C, zinc, B-50 complex, and vitamin K2. I might be sleeping a bit better but otherwise I haven't felt any differences. I get selenium through brazil nuts. South Florida sunshine for vitamin D. And I also take iodine.

The only supplement that has worked tremendously well is saw palmetto. It has done wonders for my BPH. I have taken many prostate formulas that have saw palmetto and other stuff (pumpkin seed oil, pygeum, ..). They are all the same, which to me means it is the saw palmetto that is the most effective active ingredient.

_Lazza

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33266cca338ab54cee9a2aa160f5bdb6

on March 09, 2013
at 07:50 AM

Fermented Cod Liver Oil. Although I don't take it regularly anymore, it actually feels like I fixed a deficiency in my brain. The first three months I took it, it was like a nootropic drug and energy supplement at the same time. Now fish suits me just fine.

Does turmeric count? It has saved me twice from serious inflammation/itching when I had an allergic reaction to some unidentified plant.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:39 PM

turmerics fantastic! ..as is ginger :)

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A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on March 31, 2013
at 01:09 PM

Currently taking C, Mag, D3, and K2. I only added in the K2 after eliminating butter to see if the DHT precursors are breaking me out.

Formerly took the cornucopia of pills suggested by the Perfect Health Diet. Not that I doubt the legitimacy of their claims that those are beneficial, but I noticed no difference whatsoever after two months. In fact, those weren't the best months for me for health.

I know you aren't asking about whole food sources, but I am making a conscious effort to eat more than normal liver, oysters and sunflower seeds to meet other nutritional requirements. When I can remember and I am feel creaky, I use more cinnamon and turmeric.

I have also tried the FCLO / butter oil blend and, while some people rave about it, I took the entire bottle and noticed absolutely no difference. I fully accept that maybe I didn't give it long enough?

1
6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on March 31, 2013
at 10:31 AM

Cod Liver Oil, I recently rediscovered plain ol' Carlson's Cod Liver Oil, and got a big boost in energy when I started taking 5 capsules a day again. Also cut back on my Vit. D (had been taking 6000iu/day) at the same time because I started to develop keratosis pilaris on my arms and worried it could be from an A and D imbalance.

K2 with some brands (some have let me down) has done wonders to keep plaque from accumulating on my teeth.

Magnesium nice bedtime supplement, and my energy seems better the next day when I remember to take it at night.

Ashwagandha, cuts through my crap and excuses about why I can't go to bed yet when I am wound up at the end of the day and should be winding down.

Siberian Ginseng has been so helpful when I've hit the sleep deprivation wall from taking care of a baby day and night.

Thorne Ferrasorb has a lot of B-12 and iron, and another one that has helped build me back up after getting run down.

Vitamineral Earth and Vitamineral Green, they put everything but the kitchen sink into the blends for both of these. When I remember to take them consistently I feel like a million bucks after few days even if the rest of my diet is suckier than I would like.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 09, 2013
at 02:12 PM

D3: Getting my blood level up to around 80 ng/ml completely eliminates my asthma symptoms. Haven't been sick in over 3 years, either.

Magnesium: I sleep 8-9 hours most nights and wake up feeling rested. No more leg cramps.

Krill Oil: No more achy joints!

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:42 PM

big-ups again :) thnx

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 10, 2013
at 08:14 PM

thegiantess~ If I ate more fish than I do, I wouldn't take krill oil. Here are a couple of links to some of the reasons that make sense to me:http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/inflammation/why-krill-oil/ http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/inflammation/krill-oil-and-inflammation/

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 10, 2013
at 08:16 PM

I take NOW Neptune Krill Oil, but since they recently had a fire at their main processing plant, I may start looking for another brand if my supply gets cut off!

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 10, 2013
at 06:31 PM

Hate to hijack this thread, but I am wondering why Krill oil? I can never decide which fish oil to take.. and sometimes am persuaded to just get Omega 3's from fish as per Paul @ PHD.

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

(266)

on March 31, 2013
at 03:32 AM

When do you take your magnesium? I tried taking 200mg a few days in the evening, and it *absolutely destroyed* my sleep. I got more tired than usual earlier than usual, but then I lied there for hours, and then finally fell asleep, but then kept waking up, and then finally gave up in the early morning. Kept happening for a few days until I gave up

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on March 31, 2013
at 07:50 AM

I take mine about an hour before I want to be sleeping. I take about 350 mg and it knocks me right out if I have been off my computer. Not so much, if not! Read some of the other sleep-related questions for more tips.

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Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

(2799)

on March 09, 2013
at 01:33 PM

Lately...

http://www.jarrow.com/product/578/MagMind ..puts me right to sleep, didn't get any smarter.

http://www.jarrow.com/product/561/QH-absorb ...works, more energy.

http://www.amazon.com/Optimum-Nutrition-Creatine-2500mg-Capsules/dp/B000GIQS0W/ .. works, more energy.

http://www.jarrow.com/product/579/Shilajit_Fulvic_Acid_Complex ... made me constantly angry so I had to stop taking it.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:41 PM

thank you for sharing and for the links

1
Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 09, 2013
at 05:52 AM

Vit a, d3, k2-mk4 and creatine.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:53 AM

k2!! its also on my list..:) mk-4 rather than 7 eh .. or just try sum nato..? blech..

1
61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on March 09, 2013
at 04:28 AM

I still have to take iron supplements to stay at the low end of "normal" levels. Even with the improved diet/lifestyle, I still battle anemia.

I also take 5000IU vit D3 daily and calcium. My vit D levels are slowly rising and the calcium is to ward off the osteoporosis and osteopenia that my great grandmother and mother suffer from.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 04:34 AM

thats excellent..hope your levels come soon for ya. My grama has osteo too. Yeah i find my iron looks low when i tally my foods on cronometer. Im planning to try to incorporate some liver soon.

0
74fc529b6a0f2b1323ab98f16368ca8b

on March 31, 2013
at 03:18 AM

Fermented Cod liver Oil and High vitamin butter oil blend--great source of vitamins a, d, and k. I am much healthier when on this regiment, and my hair grows faster, my nails grow longer, my skin looks better, and my teeth are less susceptible to decay.

I also take a daily probiotic. I like prescript assist. It's a soil-based probiotic and has pretty good reviews across the board.

I make a smoothie every morning with vitamin c powder, acai powder, protein powder, and aquatic greens powder. It gives me more energy than coffee and assures that I don't run out of the house without breakfast.

0
782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

on March 10, 2013
at 07:10 PM

Multi-vit, Ca, Mg, Zn, Vit B complex, Vit D3. Of all these, the ones I notice the most difference with are the Mg, Zn, and Vit D3. The Mg because it keeps me regular, the Zn banished the white spots on my finger nails, and Vit D because the last time I had a cold was over a year and a half ago when I was too lazy to fill my pill box for a week.

0
06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

on March 10, 2013
at 06:38 PM

I take D3, K2, Magnesium, B12 & Folate (because I am deficient), sometimes probiotics (but mostly just fermented foods) and sometimes fish oil (but I go back and fourth on that one).

0
7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on March 09, 2013
at 04:20 PM

Methylcobalamin (B12) and folate (B9) for me, because I was deficient. My brain fog is gone, I'm able to grow my fingernails out, now, and I have energy again.

Iodine (or regular seaweed in my diet) reduced premenstrual breast pain.

Probiotics seem to make me more regular. I alternate between VSL#3 and Prescript-Assist.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:45 PM

im hoping to get into some fermented veggie making experiments to help wiht the gut flora aspect..:) thnx for sharing

0
F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on March 09, 2013
at 01:54 PM

Selenium + Iodine. If I stop for a few days my energy is wayy less consistent.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:44 PM

iodine seems to have alleviated some dizziness i was experiencing when i first cut carbs and switched to himalayan salt.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on March 10, 2013
at 11:02 PM

No, unfortunately not. Not realistic for me.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on March 10, 2013
at 10:52 PM

Have you tried just eating seafood and seaweed that provides those nutrients and seeing if that has the same effect?

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on March 31, 2013
at 12:51 PM

Brazil nuts are very high in selenium.

0
Df6dabaf4b1ef3d5db980ad64c501a5b

on March 09, 2013
at 05:18 AM

I like D3 (drops), zinc, and mag citrate.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 09, 2013
at 06:56 AM

thnkx for sharing..sounds like theres definitely a consensus particularly with D3

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